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Title: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/03/16 at 16:31:23 About our current system of government? I have lots of ideas, but I will go with taxes. The current system greatly favors the rich. Why should anybody get a second house write-off for a boat, motor-home, or another house, when many can not even get into their first and only house? Why all the pages and pages of tax code? Must be to confuse, and thwart, any real attempt at stopping their loopholes, etc. I would implement a flat consumption tax. I would take all the current tax folk displaced by the change and put them in a "collection booth" at all stores, restaurants, bars, etc.... to gather the taxes. The federal level would get their cut, state and local, too. If a state charges too much, or a county, go elsewhere! Even tourist and illegal aliens would now contribute, as they should. No write offs of any kind, period. Those who still lack the capacity to consume, a federal/state run facility would supply their needs, IF...... they prove worthy and in real need, and those of able body must do work of some nature like they did in the great depression, I think it was the CCC camps link: http://www.history.com/topics/civilian-conservation-corps I believe it would give more people a "fair shake" and restore our middle class. Agree, disagree, or list your own ideas :) |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/16 at 16:37:36 Just as the masses have been raised to believe that the federal reserve is necessary,they also don't know what America was like before income tax. Just how much of Your earnings Should you be allowed to keep? |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by verslagen1 on 03/03/16 at 16:56:49 I would change the rounding down on fees. all excess fees go to me. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by Serowbot on 03/03/16 at 21:38:29 I agree with your premise,... but a consumption tax, always favors the rich... The poor and middle spend all they have... the rich just watch it pile up... A "flat" tax... is also a myth... It only works logically, with wages... The rich,... don't have wages... they don't work for other people... Income taxes are complicated... There are two sides to the calculation... Most solutions only tackle one... The rate... The other,...is calculating the income... That's easy for hourly, or salaried workers... Not so,.. for the Mitts and Donalds... They have gains and losses,.. capital and interest,...liabilities and projections... ..and that's where 99% of the money slips through the loopholes... .. and that's where the money greases the wheels... :-? |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/04/16 at 04:10:33 Can you give me an idea of what would work better, or? I am thinking the rich buy higher ticketed items, therefor they would pay more. And too, if we catch all the tax from consuming, it would seem to me to catch those who skate by with shady write-offs, etc, that go undetected from audits. I know many who are not rich, but use the system to avoid paying their share, example, they collectively gross around 50 thousand, and still get back thousands each year, and they claim deductions that they never had. These folks are not really good targets for the IRS as it takes more resources to catch these small fries than what they get back.... Now how many cheaters fall into that category? These are folks who blow (consume) their hole paychecks on crap, toys, vacations, etc, never thinking about tomorrow..... So, I think in shear numbers it would capture a lot of tax revenue that presently escapes the system. Bot, once we have exceptions, tax codes to assist/exempt anybody, then we have created a loophole. I would rather have a different stand alone program that would answer that issue itself. I think folks are willing to help those who really need it, its the deadbeats...... and I don't know how many that really is, that spoils it for all. Give me some ideas :) |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/04/16 at 05:00:56 Just wanted to say one more thing ;D When we cheat, we really are cheating ourself AND as such, accepting and sanctioning the cheating by others against us >:( Those who think dead beating and milking the system is only taking from a corrupt government, is ok, they fail to see, or deny, they are taking from the single mom who's husband died and subjecting that child to most likely, a life of poverty..... Etc. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/16 at 05:57:30 Geez......rich, rich rich..... let it go already. The "rich" paying their fair share (whatever that means) accomplishes nothing. Go bet rich yourself or shut the hell up about it. You want to change something? Get rid of automatic tax deductions from paychecks. Let people get their full paycheck in their hands and then write checks to the federal government, the state, the city for their tax bill. $hit would change pretty quick. We'd pay for roads, military etc.. but some of the crap we waste money on would go away. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by Serowbot on 03/04/16 at 07:07:09 Would you have all purchases taxed at the same rate?... Food,.. vs private jets?.... What would happen to the housing market, if a $200k home had $60k tax added on?.... $10,000 tax on a $20,000 car?... Arizona already pays 8% state tax on non-food items... That rate would go to near 40% with Federal added... assuming a 33% federal rate. Would credit purchases be taxed at time of purchase?... This would make billions for the credit card companies and lenders... :-? |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by old.indian on 03/04/16 at 08:05:53 Enact strictly enforced Ethics Laws that would apply to both Government and private industry. Penalties would be harsh, Government corruption would be treated as Treason, and white collar crime the same as violent crime. A couple of corrupt politicians and lobbyist executed for treason.... Burnie Madoff and a few Wall Street suits on death row ... I think you would find the economy, and life in general would improve quickly...... 8-) I'm not certain how we could punish "Stupidity" though.... :-/ |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/04/16 at 08:09:52 Webby, you can do better that that [ch128512] Bot, the jet fuel, etc, would be taxed at its value, which is more than a cup if yogurt [ch128540] Keep in mind you can control your tax liability by controling your spending. Think rates would drop as volume of collection increases and no more property tax, etc, just one source of tax revenue, consuming. No payroll tax, etc. we have to keep it simple, uh, stupid |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/16 at 09:04:44 From one of the smarter men in America.......read and understand. http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2016/03/02/what-is-the-fair-share-of-taxes-n2126726 |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/16 at 09:10:47 A constitution amendment stating federal government cannot spend, and tax to cover that spending, more than a specified percentage of GDP. 15% maybe. also, cannot go into debt without 90% congressional approval or 75% when war has been declared and approved by congress. just pulled those numbers outta thin air (litteraly since I'm on a plane right now!) but its a place to start. states could followup with their own limits. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 13:40:02 Spend some time. Reconsider what Everybody Knows. How much time did the government owned and operated school spend teaching us how money is created. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-15/100-years-old-still-killing-us-america-was-much-better-income-tax History of the Federal Reserve - Federal Reserve Education.org Federal Reserve Education › about-the-fed In 1893, a banking panic triggered the worst depression the United States had ever ... Before the new central bank could begin operations, the Reserve Bank .... set above the prevailing Fed Funds rate and provide rationing of loans to banks ... The Federal Reserve: CNBC Explains - CNBC.com CNBC › ... Mar 18, 2015 - Most people have no idea how the Fed works, what it actually does and why its decisions have so ... Before the Income Tax - The New American www.thenewamerican.com › history › item Jan 18, 2013 - Prior to ratification of the 16th (income tax) Amendment in February 1913, the federal government ... Why an Income Tax is Not Necessary to Fund the U.S. ... www.devvy.com › notax How? Because the politicians are $800 billion dollars short, they simply call up Al ... The "Federal" Reserve Banks don't loan anything of value to Congress. .... Prior to the Federal Department of Education, America had the finest schools in the ... Who Owns The Federal Reserve? | Global Research - Centre for ... www.globalresearch.ca › who-owns-the-f... Sep 30, 2015 - Region: USA ... U.S. government bonds (or debt) to fund the Fed, which is itself supposedly ... “The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were .... She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create ... JFK Vs The Federal Reserve - Rense.com www.rense.com › general76 › jfkvs Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, .... No man did more to expose the power of the FED than Louis T. McFadden, who ... 12, 1963,; Ten days before his assassination, President John Fitzgerald ... Federal Reserve ~ The Enemy Of America www.apfn.org › apfn › reserve2 Prior to 1929 the government had never intervened to help recovery from a .... When the Fed was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that a ... How U.S. Gold Reserves Were Stolen http://www.google.com/search?q=hoe+did+the+United+States++fund+itself+prior+to+the+Federal+Reserve&sourceid=silk&ie=UTF-8 Check it out. We've been enslaved and convinced that it's the best way for America to go. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/04/16 at 17:05:07 Our money is OURS, not theirs, and if we keep more of it, a lot of the current problems would remedy themselves. We must start with a simple, understandable, equitable way to pay for the systems we do need, to live as a modern society. Not to fund all the other questionable, objectionable, etc, programs the politicians have created to ensure their reelection and power base..... |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 17:19:36 We must address the Source of what we have been Taught is money. The Federal Reserve is NOT Federal, at all. We, as a nation, BORROW every dollar into existence, with interest owed on it. We don't Have money, we have currency. Why would Henry Ford have said that If the American people understood how the monetary system worked, there would be a Rebellion by morning,,,? Was he an idiot? All the clues I've posted, spend time, go look. Understand that the whole thing is a racket. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by DesertRat on 03/04/16 at 18:07:59 794B4C5D5A4B5C634F5C452E0 wrote:
He's a LIAR LIAR pants on fire. He cannot f*cking do math either: The top 1%, paid 38% The top 5%, paid 59% The top 10%, paid 70% The top 25%, paid 86% The bottom 50%, 3% the percentages do NOT add up to 100%. AND THE PERCENTAGES ARE INCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHER. trying to spin his elitist b*llsh!t. They live off Capital Gains, which is taxed at 10% or less, not "INCOME" tax which is INSANE. That's the loophole for the wealthy elite, be born into wealth and draw a "paltry sum" from investments while crying impoverished. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/04/16 at 19:13:02 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
I get it.....BUT, we have to start somewhere that has a chance to get implemented. Giving people an opportunity to keep their worthless fed notes will at least start that understanding, I believe. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 19:21:59 Absolutely, couldn't agree more. You work, get paid, and that Your money,,, even though it is not Really money, at least it's something that you can trade for things you want. It's a convenient way to store value. Carrying fifteen chickens to the shoe store is a hassle. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/16 at 20:33:35 6C4D5B4D5A5C7A495C280 wrote:
He's a LIAR LIAR pants on fire. He cannot f*cking do math either: The top 1%, paid 38% The top 5%, paid 59% The top 10%, paid 70% The top 25%, paid 86% The bottom 50%, 3% the percentages do NOT add up to 100%. AND THE PERCENTAGES ARE INCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHER. trying to spin his elitist b*llsh!t. They live off Capital Gains, which is taxed at 10% or less, not "INCOME" tax which is INSANE. That's the loophole for the wealthy elite, be born into wealth and draw a "paltry sum" from investments while crying impoverished. [/quote] Desert, take this saying to heart: better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. or in your case, type on a keyboard. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/16 at 07:49:03 I've gotta work today, so no time for a lengthy tome. Consider a few things: With our "progressive" income tax scheme, the tax code is also used as a means to encourage certain aspects of the economy. Why is home mortgage interest deductible? To encourage home ownership and foster the building industry. This is only one of many examples of how the tax code is used as an incentive to certain industries. Almost all of Western Europe uses the Value Added Tax, really nothing but a national sales tax, in conjunction with a progressive income tax. But, the income tax rates are somewhat less than ours are. Bot's argument about a VAT being regressive has some merit, but it is balanced by the fact that everyone pays something; illegals still buy jeans and shoes, for instance, even though their income may escape taxation since they are paid off of the books. Next, a poor man buys a used Ford or Toyota; a rich man buys a new Mercedes. A poor man buys $17 jeans at Wal Mart; a rich man buys $100 jeans as a fashion store. Food and housing are exempt from sales taxes almost everywhere. Same with other real necessities. My cousin in Switzerland who is quite successful pays about 15% in income tax, and of course, pays VAT on everything that he buys. Poor people there, and here, pay no income tax. So, my vote is for the VAT, coupled with a small income tax. No system is perfect, but that combination is the best compromise. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/16 at 08:33:41 Id rather stop spending gazillions of dollars on BS wars first. Burn the trade agreements. Bring manufacturing BACK to America. See what we really need after we unscrew the obvious screwups. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 08:33:54 A VAT is a consumption tax, it seems. Maybe we could all be exempt on our first, say, 30,000 of spending, then after that it kicks in. I think it would get people to save more, and that empowers them, and removes their dependency thinking on government to provide. It would require a system to recognize and track each one of us. If you are not in the system, then you lose the exemption and a VAT is enacted upon purchase. I don't want the gubbermint to have any say in our tax liability, for they will always find an excuse to raise it.... I want it to be within our own power, not theirs, so I am in disagreement with a tax percentage withheld and a VAT, Jerry. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 08:47:46 5A454344595E6F5F6F57454902300 wrote:
BINGO..... Look at Flint and its water problem. The gubbermint do all mentality, and pensions, killed the manufacturing there.... It fell into dire straights when the coffers ran slim.... There own city council decided to NOT buy good water from Detroit, and opted to get their own source. It was all about spending at an unsustainable level, and when their forecast proved wrong, they could not meet the obligations that they were entrusted to do. Love the friggin blame game there, its always someone else's fault.... And they never fix the real problems of how and why >:( If folks don't think the environmental movement had anything to do with the constricting of blue collars jobs and the middle class, then, just like Flint, we won't learn a darn friggin thing! I am NOT, for one moment, suggesting we have no considerations to our polluting and effect on our enviroment..... But it has become a religion based mindset, and reasoning dialogue is not even welcomed, or entertained, only shaming and name calling, just like the poster holders standing on the corner telling folk to REPENT, or you're going to HELL :o |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/16 at 08:47:54 Saving would be great I remember when I could. If someone wants to design a system that allows me to save, I'll jump right on it. We don't have Nice anything. Don't go out to eat. And just getting by. Barely. Tapping into savings, not adding to. And my wife is a respiratory therapist, so, she ain't making burger flipping money. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 08:56:15 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
Yep..... just like the money handlers want it, eh? Look at this, you take out a loan to purchase a car. You pay all the interest off first, that is their PROFIT, while this denies you any equity in your purchase, which would help you to sell it if you need to. They get theirs and have the protection of liens and the courts, we, if lucky, don't have to take it too deep,as we bend over :-[ Bernie is right in putting the financial institutions in the cross-hairs, too big to fail my arse..... WHAT ABOUT US?????? |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by old.indian on 03/05/16 at 09:02:47 It doesn't make sense to "save" ... The banks will give you 1/2 % for your savings account or CD. And the "real" rate of inflation is 3% +..... The dollar you save is worth 97 & 1/2 cents a year from now....... :-? |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 09:36:19 5F5C541E595E5459515E300 wrote:
Oh..... you wants some beads for your land Chief? ;D When I say save, I mean to have money at your disposal to buy those expected things that pop up in life.... To be without is to borrow, and then you can take your numbers, multiple and reverse them...... and bend over ;D |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/16 at 11:58:30 I remember my stepmother going to the bank and rolling over CDs, she had them set to mature one after another, ten thousand dollars in each, and making , IIRC, around eight percent. Someone who had money and collateral could Borrow money for less. You figure it out... Now, CD doesn't stand for Certificate of Deposit. More like Certificate of Desperation. If I had any money I'd be buying gold, silver and the pre sandwich quarters and dimes. Considering the whole picture, the derivatives, the Admitted debt, knowing how they lie to us about what is obvious, like the unemployment numbers,I'm a bit suspicious of the debt figures. Add all those factors together, in My mind, I see a dollar as a very fragile and over valued piece of paper. That it took only thirty two of them to buy an ounce of gold when I was under thirteen, and now, around thirteen hundred, I Really think it's cheaper than it should be. Based on everything I see, the future of the dollar is grim and that will translate to needing a sack full of them to buy metals. Of course, the First thing that will happen will be cash will be king. Can't eat metal, food will disappear from the shelves. I don't think the You need a years supply thing is correct. If you can survive a couple months, competition for resources will literally die off or go to some goob camp.. When, ohh, not for several years, at least. The dollar HAS to be kept propped up, because Our nation is the one that the globalists are Using to stir up crap and destroy the countries Not using Their central bank scheme, consolidating power. Once they are done using us like a mob thug, then we see global economic collapse, one currency. I'm probably not going to be around to see it. But I would like to leave the grandson prepared. Again, HOW is it that Libya was on General Wesley Clark s list as a nation that we would Have to engage militarily, Yet, the REASONS we went in came out Years later? How is that? |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 12:19:14 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
JOG, who sets the value on commodities? Yes, its a man made figure based on the theory of scarcity. The day wealth can buy you life, no, make that just plain old F'N happiness, happiness that is free from conflict and sustainable, I'll buy gold, or whatever it is that provides such a dividend. Until that day, its ALL faith based, just figger out where you want to invest yours :-* |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/16 at 13:30:31 I'll use history to help me with my decision. No fiat currency has ever survived. Gold has never been worth nothing. The schools we all went to were as much indoctrination centers as education centers. Unless YOU have taken the time and gone digging into the history of money, you know bupkiss. I was listening to an old man, a mechanic, he solved the Rubiks cube without a book. He was wondering what mechanism actually Created each dollar. If anyone doesn't know, they need to. Why did Henry Ford say what he said? http://www.safehaven.com/article/2073/the-disastrous-history-of-money-english-wooden-sticks Those sticks lasted longer than most fiat currencies, because they had value in that they were The accepted form of property tax payments. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tally_stick Anyone who Just has an understanding of the dollar based on what information is found in school, newspapers, news on T.V. is seriously under informed. A desire to know how it Really works has to supplant the idea that you already know. I'm not saying that I have it ALL figured out. I'm still reading about it. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by old.indian on 03/05/16 at 13:34:59 Comparative value... If the fur hits the fan, what is more valuable, a piece of metal or ammunition to guard your family and food supply ????? The only reason a piece of paper has any value or worth is because society accepts that it has value.... |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/16 at 13:38:42 I never suggested, here or anywhere, that not being able to provide for and protect the family is acceptable. |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 13:59:03 46454D0740474D404847290 wrote:
Thats a good one! BTW, I can live on crab, salmon, rockfish, shrimp, clams, blackberries..... Just have to mosey outside to the waters edge ;D |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by old.indian on 03/05/16 at 14:05:14 21322A37322434530 wrote:
Thats a good one! BTW, I can live on crab, salmon, rockfish, shrimp, clams, blackberries..... Just have to mosey outside to the waters edge ;D [/quote] You had better be bad a$$ enough to win an argument with the bear who wants that salmon you have in your hand....... :o |
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Title: Re: If you could..... what would you change Post by raydawg on 03/05/16 at 14:50:51 66656D2760676D606867090 wrote:
Thats a good one! BTW, I can live on crab, salmon, rockfish, shrimp, clams, blackberries..... Just have to mosey outside to the waters edge ;D [/quote] You had better be bad a$$ enough to win an argument with the bear who wants that salmon you have in your hand....... :o [/quote] You might say, uh..... we have struck an understanding :-* |
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