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Title: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/14/16 at 07:16:46 You might think they're dancing,.. but Ron and Nancy are spinning in their graves... Tomorrow is D-day for Trump's candidacy... and he's crossing the line with feet failing... Every campaign rally from here on, will be pure chaos... ...and he still takes no responsibility for what is happening... -? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1fyFN-rXoU [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1fyFN-rXoU[/media] |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by old.indian on 03/14/16 at 07:35:43 So who is organizing the protesters and sending them (the plural you notice) to these rallies ????? There seems to be quite a few for a "spontaneous" happening..... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/14/16 at 08:59:48 Could be anyone,... but I don't think it's anyone... :-? Nationally,.. Trump is less liked than Bill Cosby... ::) So naturally, I'm all for him winning the Rep's nomination.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/16 at 11:00:58 The media has built up this Hitler-Personna of Donald Trump and they alone are responsible for the result. This is no different than the black lives matter rioters who were encouraged by the media's exaggeration of police brutality. i've been on the fence between Trump and Cruz, but after listening to the other three candidates use this BS to attack Trump, my votes going to Trump this time. remember, it's always the liberal ideology that turns into mass violence. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/16 at 11:31:05 Same bunch of Rent a Mob Lefties that Okk you pied Wall Street Flooded.Ferguson , where they HAD , I believe, exculpatory evidence to clear the cop almost immediately. ..nap time, later... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/14/16 at 15:18:04 Obama did it... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/16 at 15:21:32 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
It's not rent a mob, it's mostly social media inspired losers. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/16 at 15:25:18 1204130E16030E15610 wrote:
No, but Matt Lauer, Jimmy Fallon, Megan Kelly, Fox News, CNN, PMSnbc, ABC, CBS, NBC etc did. They literally made up nonsense. I heard the Today show talking about raising hands to answer Trumps question as a direct tie to Hitler. What total Bull$hit. How can you have a job like that and be so crappity smack!ng ignorant?!..... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/14/16 at 15:40:58 3026312C34212C37430 wrote:
This is straight out of the left's hand book written by Saul Alinsky. Take a moment to look it up, especially the forward. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/14/16 at 16:55:30 Somebody better that guy to stop stealin' my ideas... ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/14/16 at 20:40:37 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
(italics mine) ............................................................ I don't follow the media as far as Trump goes, I just follow what comes out of his mouth. His 'personna' is his own creation, as far as his racist, egotist, hatred-promoting self goes, (fuellled by parts of the media). His speeches are there to hear without 'media intervention', as such. If the media exaggerates police brutality in your opinion, then how can these compare ? We can never hear it from 'the horse's mouth' in police-brutality cases as we can with hearing Trump (often live, and worldwide)..... .......................... "remember, it's always the liberal ideology that turns into mass violence." ....................... Back to Hitler again, that famous liberal and his strange ideas... :D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/15/16 at 04:37:04 062138273D1E3C2B3D222B374E0 wrote:
Actually he was a socialist, National Socialist Workers Party. Ya don't here that mentioned so often. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/15/16 at 05:00:29 I don't follow the media as far as Trump goes, I just follow what comes out of his mouth. His 'personna' is his own creation, as far as his racist, egotist, hatred-promoting self goes, (fuellled by parts of the media). His speeches are there to hear without 'media intervention', as such. Show me a few specific examples from his speeches that demostrate his racism. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/15/16 at 05:02:16 495E58545B4B390 wrote:
Actually he was a socialist, National Socialist Workers Party. Ya don't here that mentioned so often. Best regards, [/quote] As with most if not all tyrants, they are closer to our democratic party ideology than republican ideology. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Paraquat on 03/15/16 at 06:10:29 Saw a cute picture that asked "Why aren't there protests at Clinton or Sanders' rallies? Everyone's at work" --Steve |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/15/16 at 06:49:41 4A7B687B6B6F7B6E1A0 wrote:
;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/15/16 at 08:11:05 Hitler, was a bleeding heart liberal... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/15/16 at 08:52:22 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
............................................................... I'll swap a few 'Mexican immigrant' or 'Muslim terrorist' or 'Obama's birthplace' quotes for a couple of these tyrants' names..... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/15/16 at 10:11:25 none of those are racist quotes. you might not agree with them, but they're not racist. during last Friday's "protest" at the Trump rally in Chicago, one of the news stations were asking some of the more juvenile, obnoxious ones just exactly why they were there,. like you, they couldn't give a clear answer or articulate a specific readon why they were acting like that. All they knew was they were suppose to be against Trump Long flight from Chicago back home for you? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/15/16 at 10:57:17 Can you see wind? Or just effects of it...... I believe most people are looking at Trump as the damage caused by the wind, not the reason why the wind was formed. The "left" has used academia. media, courts, etc, to govern and promote polices. FOX news, etc, being the result from the media/news vacuum. The left has effectively render the right impotent, since Reagan, who was able to harness this very same energy of middle class workers, the Reagan democrat it was referred to. Ross Perot was able to tap into that same vein. And the Tea Party. This is really no party, but just an amalgamation of disenfranchised folks who feel neither party has their welfare at heart. This motivation is what drives the BLM, Gay, minority, etc, groups.... When they vocalize and act out in demonstration, its it reported as a sign to the voracity of their claim(s). Yet, with those "Trump supporters" they are labeled and criticized, for the very same actions others are herald.... And this HYPOCRISY is what really is driving those who feel they no longer have a say..... I tell you this, it is not just white angry men, you believe this, then you are blind to the truth.....and a fool, I might add. For any hope in saving this nation rest in understanding ALL its citizens and giving them their say, even if we don't agree. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/15/16 at 11:57:29 6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 wrote:
.................................................................... Oh, so you're familiar with the quotes....saves me a google! ;D So if someone is a 'rapist' because they are from a neighboring country, oh but there's probably some good guys as well.... Surely wanting to ban some of the son's of Abraham from entering the US but allowing others is racist? Take Trump's words and substitute the word 'Muslim' with the word 'Jew' and tell me it doesn't remind you of someone....and even he wasn't as obnoxiously vain as to call himself 'The Adolf' ...... No, most of the tyrants have megalomonia as a common trait; Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Napoleon. Mark, can I expect your list of tyrants? PS. I can give many reasons why I hate Trump, all coherent and articulate. Why compare me with juvenile protesters? No-one has even told me I'm supposed to be against Trump, his policies are enough..... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/15/16 at 12:09:03 577069766C4F6D7A6C737A661F0 wrote:
Please feel free to elaborate. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/15/16 at 12:26:50 15322B342E0D2F382E3138245D0 wrote:
.................................................................... Oh, so you're familiar with the quotes....saves me a google! ;D So if someone is a 'rapist' because they are from a neighboring country, oh but there's probably some good guys as well.... Surely wanting to ban some of the son's of Abraham from entering the US but allowing others is racist? Take Trump's words and substitute the word 'Muslim' with the word 'Jew' and tell me it doesn't remind you of someone....and even he wasn't as obnoxiously vain as to call himself 'The Adolf' ...... No, most of the tyrants have megalomonia as a common trait; Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Napoleon. Mark, can I expect your list of tyrants? PS. I can give many reasons why I hate Trump, all coherent and articulate. Why compare me with juvenile protesters? No-one has even told me I'm supposed to be against Trump, his policies are enough..... [/quote] Do you really hate him? Its ok for you to hate, but not others? Tell me Hov, how does hate advance anything, and how does harboring such emotions serve you? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/15/16 at 13:16:46 "Its ok for you to hate, but not others?" No, I don't really hate hm, it's more a feeling of disgust. Others can hate or not hate as is their will. Hate doesn't advance anything. I'm not expecting any emotion I have toward Mr Trump to serve me, or advance anything. His personality is one that makes me shudder, whether he is mocking the disabled in front of the cameras, to the 'probably dating his own daughter if she weren't his daughter' line. His policies speak for themselves. Ray, why can I picture you in a vicar's 'dog-collar' when I read your last line? (erotic fantasies aside) |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/16 at 13:59:09 Let's try to stay with the truth. That's gonna require using the WHOLE quote. Trump said ban Muslims coming in, Until we get things figured out. Who is COMING to America? I don't care what country you're talking about. Business owners? Community leaders? Anyone else remember watching the western movies, and the bad guys, heading for the border? Some of the people are just good, hard working folks, but, I would hazard a guess that IF a guy could stop time and go have a look at everyone who is headed to the border and just crossed it, interview all,, and then compare those people to the ones who aren't coming. I'd expect to find that, on average,the number of all around no good, sorry low life types is higher in the immigrant population than one would find in the Mexican population overall. Not all Muslims are terrorists, I know that, The number of insane Catholics and Christians and Atheists who have blown stuff up or shot people is pretty low. Operating cautiously, so what? YOU adopt everyone, I stand by Trump on THAT issue. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/15/16 at 14:39:22 Hitler's rhetoric inspired the disgruntled too... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/15/16 at 15:16:54 JoG, that theory would suggest that relatively speaking, Americans and Australians, for example, are more likely to be 'low-lives' than native Europeans..... I was brought up hearing the news about Catholics and Protestants bombing or shooting each other almost every day here in the British Isles..... The biggest bloodshed known to man was between two Christian groups, with rarely a muslim (or Mexican!) involved. That was shortly after the previous biggest bloodshed known to man, twenty years earlier, that was basically mad imperial Christians having a go at each other and millions dying as a result. The quote about 'banning Muslims coming in until we get things figured out' is surely about banning Muslims ad infinitum..... as I don't think Trump can sort out 1000 years of religious strife...unless The Donald is the new messiah.....(there's a thought.) |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/15/16 at 15:20:21 6375627F67727F64100 wrote:
We must get the disgruntled to grunt more to stop that from happening. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/15/16 at 15:29:55 Ray, why can I picture you in a vicar's 'dog-collar' when I read your last line? (erotic fantasies aside) Hov, I would say you are clairvoyant, and my wife has spent years getting me this way :-* Now looky here, you fell into your own trap. You used the word hate, then upon further dialogue backed out of it with a better explanation, of what you really meant/mean. But once uttered, it has the opacity to spawn more of the same, based on what a person is looking for, to begin with.... Example, say you got some Bot like mentality folk out there, they read your declaration of hate, toward Trump. Now armed with affirmation, of your claim, their feelings have been justified and some might even extend that, to their actions...... This is what I am trying to point out, the danger of demagoguery of ANYBODY or ANY party, or BELIEF. It is lazy reasoning, disingenuous, and intellectually corrupted. We all fall victim to this crap, and until we own our own hypocrisy, we won't ever get to a resolution where we can all live in harmony, as the unique individual(s) we all are. Obama even made a pretty good reference to this type of thinking today in a speech. BTW, for the record, I can't grasp the connection to Trump, on a personal level/connection, why they believe he can deliver on the "things" that trouble them about our current state of affairs. My perception of the man is he is nothing more than a charlatan..... But again, this is testimony to how bankrupt ( pun intended ) the USA is in its political process, where on the flip side you have Hillary that utters the same kind of crap, less the scrutiny. You gotta a Queen or King you can loan us buddy? ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/15/16 at 15:43:18 785F465943604255435C5549300 wrote:
WE, you're on the other side of the pond. What your guy and the pig? ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/15/16 at 15:50:49 6B7C7A7679691B0 wrote:
WE, you're on the other side of the pond. What your guy and the pig? ;D Best regards,[/quote] Swine! ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/15/16 at 16:02:58 775049564C6F4D5A4C535A463F0 wrote:
WE, you're on the other side of the pond. What your guy and the pig? ;D Best regards,[/quote] Swine! ;D [/quote] ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Nigel-in-SoCal on 03/15/16 at 20:51:28 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
Well, it depends where you look. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 04:11:58 And when,, and, if you DO go back to that time and look, you'll see evidence of bombings that just might not have been done by the people who were Accused of it, on the news. I WAS talking about the world, today, since the topic is Trump, and the ideas and problems of today. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Paraquat on 03/16/16 at 07:03:55 04233A253F1C3E293F2029354C0 wrote:
No one ever remembers the good things Hitler did - everyone focuses on that little genocide hiccup. In a time where people were starving to death, when a wheelbarrow of money couldn't even buy a loaf of bread, when unemployment was rampant he gave everyone a job. Unemployment dropped to zero. Everyone was well taken care of. Everyone had access to media because he gave every citizen a radio. He created hunting regulations and saved species from extinction. He banned vivisection. Promoted alternative energy. Organized healthcare. Let's sweep that whole genocide thing away. Honestly, do you think Trump is going to try to eradicate all the Jews? Do you think any person would stand for that? Let alone, any nation? Especially not with Russia as a new emerging power. So aside from genocide, which item from the list above do you take issue with? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 07:29:57 However, Time magazine points out that controversial figures such as Adolf Hitler (1938), Joseph Stalin (1939 and 1942), Nikita Khrushchev (1957) and Ayatollah Khomeini (1979) have also been granted the title for their impacts. In 1999, the title was changed to Person of the Year. Time Person of the Year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Wikipedia › wiki › Time_Person_of_the... Feedback About this result • Adolf Hitler: Man of the Year, 1938 - TIME Time Magazine › content › time › article Greatest single news event of 1938 took place on September 29, when four statesmen met at the Führerhaus, in Munich ... Adolf Hilter: 1938 - Person of the Year: A Photo History - TIME Time Magazine › content › time › article Adolf Hitler was named TIME's Man of the Year in 1938. TIME explained what was perhaps the most controversial of its ... TIME Magazine Cover: Adolph Hitler, Man of the Year - Jan. 2, ... Time Magazine › content › time › covers TIME Magazine Cover: Adolph Hitler, Man of the Year - Jan. 2, 1939 - Adolph Hitler - Person of the Year - World War II - Germany - Nazism - Holocaust. Images And, can we stick with Honesty and Reason? Look at what the Muslim refugees have done to the societies they have been welcomed by. The rapes and destruction of property,economic impact, the list goes on and on. I don't care What group it is, to CHOOSE to import people who are refugees, NOT exactly likely to assimilate and be productive, into a society Already heavily burdened in the Social Welfare division, and largely suffering from unemployment, to BRING a group of people who have been shown to have a disruptive, to be overly kind, effect on the societies that they have been introduced into is just Stupid. The truly stunning group think mentality that it's just Morally Wrong to NOT import this obvious dangerous mob is what I can't grasp. The media are downplaying the reality of what they are doing. Earlier on in this fiasco we Were getting more pictures and stories about the violent nature of the refugees. And, in spite of the good sense that Trump has demonstrated by suggesting we halt their immigration, UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT, I recently head that Paul Ryan was celebrating the passage of a bill that would pay for the visas and whatever else to get 300,000 of them in. I hope I remembered that number right. Gee Wh i z, if that's NOT an attempt to bring the Cloward and Piven strategy into play, it sure would look like it to the casual observer. Jam this into a search engine. muslim refugees in europe IF you can find pictures, note the ratio of late teens to mid thirties looking Men and compare That to women and children. The Men, who I would expect to stay and fight for their country, seem to be the majority of the refugees. I DOUBT they are as laughably ignorant as to WHY they became refugees as the people who are watching them march across their lands, demanding better treatment and raping and killing as they go. They are Angry AND there are enough men In that mob who have the idea that they are going to change the ideology Of the countries that they are stomping through BY raping and impregnating as many as possible. Yeah, let's import us some of That. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/16/16 at 08:23:53 1F2E3D2E3E3A2E3B4F0 wrote:
;D ;D ;D Gee, yer' right... When you set aside that whole genocide thing,... Hitler was way better than Trump will ever be.... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Paraquat on 03/16/16 at 09:06:06 JoG is on point. You can't fill the glass if your pitcher is empty. We should focus on ourselves before we try to lend a hand to others. In the event of a decompression, an oxygen mask will automatically appear in front of you. To start the flow of oxygen, pull the mask towards you. Place it firmly over your nose and mouth, secure the elastic band behind your head, and breathe normally. Although the bag does not inflate, oxygen is flowing to the mask. If you are traveling with a child or someone who requires assistance, secure your mask on first, and then assist the other person. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 10:04:29 If a country takes in a million refugees that are rapists, I'd expect the annual/national 'rape figures' to increase dramatically. If only one in ten were a rapist, that's 100,000 more rapes! Where and when did these happen? ::) There was media hysteria when a small number (any number is unforgivable) of women who were 'allegedly' sexually assaulted whilst they were in a red-light area (between the station and the cathedral in Cologne) partying/passing through at night on New Years Eve. JoG, you of all people surely don't take the media at face value. :-? If Trump (or anyone) believes that they should not let in immigrants (irony aside!) into the US (which is in the worst 10 countries world-wide for most rape offenses) should think again. But as you know, the media likes to 'sell' news. It's a business not a service. 'Big Brother' creates the 'new enemy', the media stirs it up, the public in their arm-chairs lap it up, etc, etc. So "Look at what the Muslim refugees have done in the countries that welcomed them"...... Tell me, please. This afternoon I have to go to the local 'grocery store' (muslim or hindu), and then go to my next-door neighbour (either Kurdish muslim, or a family of Romanians) to pick up a parcel that the postie left for me (hopefully my new fork boots!) whilst I leave on charge the device created by Steve Jobs (son of a Syrian refugee). What I'm trying to say is that the immigrants/refugees aren't the enemy themselves. Their reputation is another victim of media manipulation for political ends. Trump's "UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT" suggests the he can 'iron out' the age-old friction between religions which is behind the fear of immigrants. He is after votes and says what he thinks will get votes. Think of him as a politician more than a businessman. He didn't know how to deal with the US Marine who showed his (muslim) Identity Card. But Trump had to make the ban sound 'temporary' so not to sound too extreme. (Note, around the time that the UK parliament was discussing banning Trump from the UK, interesting PR for a potential President). Back to the British Isles, thanks Nigel for emphasizing my point about the 10,000 bomb attacks in these islands (during my life-time) between fundamentalist christian radicals who created their own 'peoples army', etc, etc. Talking of bloodshed.....on behalf of the rest of the planet, please don't vote Trump for president. Heed JoG's warning of the new Adolf..... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Paraquat on 03/16/16 at 11:13:41 Dude. I DGAF about your neighbor in the UK. I don't care if he dresses up as Santa and entertains at orphanages. Congratulations. You found the ONE outlier. I live in the US. I have first hand knowledge. We're porked. Hard. Two billionaires are moving from Connecticut to Florida. It's such an occasion that the local newspaper felt the need to write an article on it. http://www.courant.com/business/dan-haar/hc-haar-forbes-list-thomas-peterffy-exit-costs-state-20160302-column.html 28,000 people left last year according to another article. http://ctsenaterepublicans.com/2016/02/fasano-witkos-outward-migration-will-leave-larger-tax-burden-on-those-who-can-least-afford-it/#.VumiF-b1J5s Two houses next door to me are for sale (and it's not because of me). Connecticut alone is facing a 1.2 billion dollar deficit in 2016, an estimated 1.6 in 2017, and an estimated 2+ billion dollar deficit by 2018. We're in no shape right now. I would advise we don't let in any refugees at this time. Not Muslim, not Mongolian (only for alliteration), not Martians - not until we stabilize ourselves. It's not being xenophobic. It's being self sufficient. Pouring from an empty pitcher? Did I mention that? The thing about the oxygen mask you glazed over? Maybe making the numbers smaller would help you understand it? If you are on a life raft and only have enough food to feed four people for five days, you'd be a bit hesitant to take on another party of four people if you were more than a week from shore. If you have four slices of bread and four people. Everyone gets one slice. If you introduce four more people now everyone gets half a slice. Everyone gets less. But what if there isn't enough bread to give the original four a slice to begin with? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 13:15:10 Of course I don't take the media at face value. I Stated so. They are UNDER reporting what is happening. And I'm Sick and TIRED of being told I'm afraid I'm not AFRAID of a flat tire, but I'm Prepared for one, AND, I don't intentionally Drive through piles of nails. I'm not STUPID. I'm aware. Not wanting to Import trouble doesn't mean that I am Afraid. I'm not Afraid of gravity, but, at my age, I don't jump off of houses any more. Why do lefties pretend that wisdom is being fearful? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 13:51:59 WOW! You don't Really think that ten percent of ANY population are rapists, do you? If a country takes in a million refugees that are rapists, I'd expect the annual/national 'rape figures' to increase dramatically. If only one in ten were a rapist, that's 100,000 more rapes! Where and when did these happen? Your internet connection busted? Go digging. Look at what happened in Germany. Police telling citizens to watch how they dress. Travel without a friend, bad idea. You can have our share. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 13:54:58 Steve, there is a world economic 'recession/depression'. The US is in the top ten nations as far as standards of living goes, according to the IMF, the World Bank, etc. You have lots of bread on your raft, relatively to others. Most of the countries that have taken refugees in are poorer countries with a lower GDP/PPP than the US. Do people learn from the reactions of the Californians to the "Okies" in the last depression? The Okies were from a different place (maybe even a 'desert'), spoke differently and were often pennyless! Deja vu? It doesn't take Einstein (another immigrant/refugee) to see that it's the same thing but on a national scale. Steve, with respect, I do think your country G.A.F. about people such as my neighbour, as you hear little but paranoid hysteria when it comes to the mention of immigrant muslim males of working age. Btw, 'Outlier' is an interesting choice of word. :-? Your link mentions 3 billionaires, you mention 2, however, 2 of the 3 are immigrants (I believe, refugees possibly from war-torn Europe), interestingly enough. Why assume that immigrants will all 'drain the pitcher' in the long term? But if you're right, then the guy next door to me is "the ONE outlier" then I say we should kill all the other dirty rapist muslim immigrant bastards, naturally ::) PS. Hitler's free radios! The penalty for listening in on foreign stations? If you listened to anything other than government-approved stations you would risk being sent for interrogation, and then sent away 'on holiday' to lose some weight, and get to wear striped pyjamas. Hitler saw that a radio in every house (and control of media in general) would make an ideal 'domestic propaganda unit'. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/16 at 13:55:16 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
Jog, that's the smartest couple of paragraphs ever written on here. You're right, I'm not afraid, just smart. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 14:09:47 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
..................................... Not at all. Trump's "mexican immigrants are rapists" stance, and your "Look at what the Muslim refugees have done to the societies they have been welcomed by. The rapes and destruction of property..." I had to pick a figure. So I chose to go 90% less in my estimation to allow for Trump's exaggeration of Mexicans being rapists. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 14:14:37 JoG, Why do you think they are UNDER reporting events that concern immigrants and refugees in a bad light? What motive would the media have to do anything other than exaggerate/sensationalize something that sells so well? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/16/16 at 14:39:05 I have a different question to add.... You guys seem so good at solving and understanding your difference of opines ;D Anyway, let say the repubs circumvent Trump, or Hillary wins, where do all these people go? By that I mean the energy and issues, and anger? You think you can put a lid on it? Will it just simmer until it explodes in such a manner it will be civil unrest on a magnitude to make Watts, Ferguson, etc, seem like a cake walk.... Honestly, how will the issues that is allowing Trump to seemly campaign without consequences, be addressed? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 14:43:15 I'm not typing it all again. But, who comes from Mexico? The community leaders? Business owners? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 15:11:52 65425B445E7D5F485E4148542D0 wrote:
So naive... The MEDIA are Tools. Used so often to Manufacture Consent look that up. Downplaying the violence By the refugees Over There Makes it Easier to sucker punch the Dumb Masses here. Same game as using the media to vilify the people who the establishment want to bomb. It's not that complicated. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/16/16 at 16:24:33 3C2F372A2F39294E0 wrote:
They been here for 8 years... they'll be here for 8 more. Ranting and raving on the internet... listening to Beck, and A. Jones... Stocking up on bullets, gold, and dried goods... and wearing camo gear... Same o' same ol'... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/16/16 at 17:11:39 4751465B43565B40340 wrote:
They been here for 8 years... they'll be here for 8 more. Ranting and raving on the internet... listening to Beck, and A. Jones... Stocking up on bullets, gold, and dried goods... and wearing camo gear... Same o' same ol'... :-? [/quote] Where have you been? To say this is the same old same old is to ignore all that has transpired thus far. Trump has been called out by the right, the left, and even foreign leaders, and appears stronger from it. Ignore this if you like, I don't think it's going away. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 18:00:22 I guess that the growing number of people who believe as I believe just means that stupid is contagious, not that the condition of America is actually deteriorating and things are REALLY okay, and getting okayer,, People WATCHED the bubs Gut the guy who could have won, when they screwed Ron Paul. How many lefties said Look, Ron Paul is SO dangerous, even the bubs hate him! Still can't see it is the Establishment, ? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by oldNslow on 03/16/16 at 19:39:07 Quote:
Sooner or later they go here: "... governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security..." It's anybody's guess whether what happens next is better or worse, or how soon it comes about, but it will. History; same sh*t, different day, different actors. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 19:42:26 JoG, I believe that we agree on media manipulation. Btw, I have been a fan of Chomsky for a few years now. I don't feel I need to look it up on google. So naive? Is it naive to believe that you are being lied to by the media rather than them just playing it down? Maybe these guys are human. I live among them in the UK and I spend weeks or months at a time in Hungary. I have time to talk to the guys sitting huddled with their sleeping bags in Keleti station (first port of call in EU for refugees), as I slowly walk by on my crutches. I spent a month or two in Cologne years back and I'm familiar with the station and the cathedral area, where 'it' all happened. Let me get this straight..... So, are the media playing down the 'dark side' of immigrants/refugees' behaviour because those controlling the media do or don't (?) want the US public opinion to move towards tolerating (let alone welcoming) the refugees, because naturally, the refugees are likely to rape (for instance), bomb places, or call God by a funny name? JoG, I more than most, agree with what might me termed 'conspiracy theories' that you post. This theory as to the reasons behind the media (supposedly) under reporting, to me, just sounds like paranoia; being aware that they are bad guys and want to come to your country is different than being afraid that they are bad guys and want to come to your country.....but equally as misguided, I think. Maybe they are humans caught up in someone else's war, some are surgeons, some are cleaners, some are learning to walk because of shrapnel wounds, some are learning to walk because they are kids. They have been force-fed adverts from McD's to Pepsi, Elvis to Madonna, and want to 'climb aboard the raft' that doesn't just have a little 'bit of bread' but ranks in the top 10 wealthiest? If Trump had a new game-show, "Rapist or Refugee", imagine the viewing figures! The studio audience could vote with their key pads, and the viewers could text in. :-[ Angela Merkel was unbelievably stupid to invite refugees to Germany the way she did.....but sadly Trump seems to me to prefer 'older German methods' when it comes to people in numbers... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 19:52:52 , are the media playing down the 'dark side' of immigrants/refugees' behaviour because those controlling the media don't want the US public opinion to move towards tolerating (let alone welcoming) the refugees, because naturally, they are likely to rape (for instance), bomb places, or call God by a funny name? Would you like to edit that or are you actually thinking that you're winning points with that? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 19:57:14 which part of it? the bit after "because, naturally"? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 20:15:32 I'm just gonna wait and see what others say. To me, your sentence made no sense. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/16/16 at 20:22:51 584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
edited ;) ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 21:11:10 If I'm giving you information and I choose to limit exactly How complete that information Is, isn't that Lying? Merkel was Stupid for how she handled importing dangerous people. How do you suggest that it be accomplished without being racist or admitting that certain people who believe certain things also dislike other people who don't think the way they do. Some people see women as property. You leave your bicycle out where anyone can just grab it, they just liable to hop on and take it for a ride. You lefties remind me of the guy who decided that he could live among the polar bears. His death , being mauled and eaten, must have been quite a surprise to him. I thought he survived quite a long time before failing to demonstrate sufficient Alpha Male signals to keep them convinced to leave him alone. Don't you know, just because YOU'RE willing to Live together and Looove one another Not everyone Feels like that. Remember the loss of Michael Rockefeller? The story is amazing. Perhaps he survived. Or, maybe they ate him. Not all societies can be mixed. I'm not the hater, here. Don't you demand that I import someone who hates ME. I'M not suicidal. I'm not gonna Commit suicide to Prove that I'm not the hater. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/17/16 at 04:46:33 Jog, you got a knot on your head yet from the wall? :P You saw/read where Hov said he HATES Trump, allowing himself that luxury based on a differing opine of matters, and justifies it.... However, they see opposition to their beliefs as hate based. Bot once remarked his job is to try and remove or deny Christians any office in our political system, lumping all of that faith as one, but not allowing others the same privilege if you are referencing Muslims.... This type of hypocrisy is what is driving Trump supporters, and they are blind to the fact. I see it clearly, but I am not about to vote for a man based on that, it will only add further to the insanity our political process, without a real chance of repair..., BTW jog, love your spirit and tenacity, it's worth reading all the other tripe just to read your thoughts on matters |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/16 at 05:02:39 I have principles. Glad you enjoy the ranting. I watched people cheat and "win" the game in PE, and go away, whooping and cheering, as IF they had actually won. The media, downplaying the truth, is lying. A half truth is a whole lie. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/17/16 at 05:46:36 45564E53564050370 wrote:
............................................. Ray, You saw/read where Hovis retracted the 'hate' word and replaced it : "No, I don't really hate him, it's more a feeling of disgust. Others can hate or not hate as is their will." Ray, do you allow yourself "that luxury" to ignore this, "based on a differing opine of matters, and justify it" in a post describing my 'HATE'? JoG talks of the media; "If I'm giving you information and I choose to limit exactly How complete that information Is, isn't that Lying? " Well Ray, you can congratulate yourself! Limiting exactly how complete that information is, by way of quoting statements since amended. You don't understand the principles of separating Church and State as it doesn't stop Christians (for eg.) from being politicians. I'll leave Bot to explain. I hold no hatred for those with views other than my own. "However, they see opposition to their beliefs as hate based." Wrong. I'd say that description would describe the situation between fundamentalist Christians and Muslims more accurately. I'm not going to bother to explain that I'm not a 'leftie'.... my voting habits say differently. But then again, some people here consider Hitler, the extreme Right-wing dictator, to be a socialist!!! The knot on my head from the wall.... comes from experiencing the situation first hand, right place, right time, and trying to explain to people who base their opinions on 'news items' thousands of miles away. JoG, some people treat their women as property. Shall I list (again) all the muslim countries across the world who have/had female heads of state? "The media, downplaying the truth, is lying. A half truth is a whole lie." I'd say: "The media, exaggerating, is lying. A half truth is a whole lie." |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/17/16 at 06:20:48 4B6C756A70537166706F667A030 wrote:
I would like you explain, please feel free to elaborate. Nearly all of your posts support and or defend the left. Yes, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Party. Socialism is the means or mechanism to achieve communism as well as totalitarianism. Is that correct, if someone represents the left that means they can't be a meglomaniac? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/17/16 at 06:29:03 5C4B4D414E5E2C0 wrote:
I would like you explain, please feel free to elaborate. Nearly all of your posts support and or defend the left. Yes, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Party. Socialism is the means or mechanism to achieve communism as well as totalitarianism. Is that correct, if someone represents the left that means they can't be a meglomaniac? Best regards,[/quote] It'll be in another post, soon ;) I'll explain about Hitler's use of the word 'socialism'. But didn't I say that Stalin was a megalomaniac, in a recent post? Surely Uncle Joe was representing the Left? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/17/16 at 07:20:53 The not always so subtle linking of Trump and Hitler is beyond the pale, it's ridiculous and anyone who does it shows their stupidity, absolute stupidity. Honestly, the Hitler mold is broken and can't be used again. Drop it. The hypocrisy of our lefty friends has always been entertaining to watch, but Trump's rise makes it even more so. Tolerance is only a one way street to them. But the adults will hopefully spread just enough common sense around so as to keep the world revolving for another day..... . The $64,000 question is how long can we keep the self-destructive left from conquering? Not sure. I saw yet another idiotic display of the left's ideology well on it's way to destroying another university, this one in Arizona. These are the future Democratic caucus members, Congressmen and Senators. One of these will be the next Democratic Congressman who wonders if putting too many soldiers at the tip of Cuba will cause the island to tip over..... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/17/16 at 07:40:41 ....and by the way, this is part of the reason behind the Trumo surge. We're tired of idiots having more influence over life than they deserve. Regardless if Trump is the best guy to carry this flag into battle, he's a start. Sorry but the tiny LGBT community doesn't get to decide if my grand daughter has to use the same bathroom as some mentally unstable boy who things he's a girl. Sorry, but we're not going to keep letting illegal immigrants flood the boarder and kill 5 like what happened in MO and KS last week just so some liberal b!tch can sleep better in her gated community thinking she's done her part for humanity. Screw that. We're done with liberals burning this country down, litterally and figuratively.... I hope if crowds start crap at Trump events, they get tossed in jail and forgotten about for a while. If they'd done that early in Ferguson and Baltimore, they'd been better off. I'm losing patience with liberal pu$$ies as i get older. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/17/16 at 07:54:36 56455D40455343240 wrote:
I doubt if anyone else here would distort my words in such a way. PS... Bill Clinton, Obama, and Hillary, are all Christians... ::) |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by oldNslow on 03/17/16 at 08:05:33 Quote:
No they are not. They PRETEND to be Christians because it is politically advantageous. They would convert to Pastafarianism and walk around with spaghetti strainers on their heads if they thought that would work better for them. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/17/16 at 08:14:45 Who wouldn't?... ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/17/16 at 08:17:18 Well fancy that Hov, you allow yourself to amend, but if a conservative udders something like that he is held to it.... Tolerance is what it's all about like web said, ain't it.... Look, if we want diversity, real unfettered diversity, we would welcome a White man caucus ground like all the other "minority" ones under the same reasoning of assuring and advancing your own concerns at the table of inclusion...... But no, they have been demonized into oblivion. I am not saying such a group needs to exsist, but it should show you the fallacy in thinking their is tolerance unabated in our political climate/system |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/17/16 at 08:27:32 3A29312C293F2F480 wrote:
We have one... it's called the RNC... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/16 at 09:19:32 Have you LOOKED at exactly Who is/was running on the bubs ticket? That's DIVERSITY in action. Nobody ran out and grabbed any of them, saying We Must have a woman, probably need a black man, and it's just not gonna look good unless we have someone who has a good last name, like Cruz, for example. Carly and Ben couldn't find the traction, but they were on the ticket. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/17/16 at 10:33:19 Bot, your stupid reply is akin to those who say all Muslims are terrorist and you and your irk are what's fueling trump, but you are too f'n blind and drunk on kool-aid to see it. Waste of time even trying to dialogue |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by Serowbot on 03/17/16 at 11:25:49 My irk?.... ;D Dawg,.. personal insult is the retort of a loser... .. and the "Kool-Aid" metaphor is obsolete... No one drinks Kool-Aid anymore... Less than 3% of blacks identify as Republican, and only 1% are firm... If that ain't an exclusive "whitey" club, I don't know what is... KKK maybe?... :-? You don't want to talk to me?... Then STFU... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/17/16 at 11:51:44 584B534E4B5D4D2A0 wrote:
....................... Sorry mate, credibility vanished. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/17/16 at 11:56:22 6E7D65787D6B7B1C0 wrote:
.......................................... No, I don't allow myself to amend, YOU asked me to reconsider the word that was amended....'HATE'. You made a specific post about it...... remember the 'dog collar'? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by raydawg on 03/17/16 at 12:34:34 Yes I do, and I said isn't it grand we allow ourself to correct ourselves, but we don't extend that to others and even hold them accountable and futher add to the division.... I am really done with this topic/post as it seems to be going in circles.... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/17/16 at 13:09:33 61726A77726474130 wrote:
.............................. Yeah, I hate that, too ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/16 at 14:19:01 7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:
Principled people |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by thumperclone on 03/17/16 at 15:33:56 okay you old farts stimulate my grey cells the dems convention in (insert year here) had a riot in Chicago? because? |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/16 at 19:47:08 1968, Why? Dunno. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/16 at 05:45:24 Yea, cause we need more of these f'ing animals in our country..... http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/17/integrated-migrant-girl-publicly-executed-for-refusing-to-marry-cousin/ |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/16 at 08:20:44 Now, now, be Tawlurunt. Remember, Die vurr suh tee Slow down and read those Woords. Let it soak in. Feeel it. See how much better you feel? We are All different, but, if we Try, we can all just be one big, happy family. Unless, of course, someone in the house is a sociopath and wants you dead. BUT, if that's true and that happens, it's YOUR fault, because you didn't make him feel Loooved enuff. |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/18/16 at 11:06:52 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
................................................... Oh come on, US foreign policy isn't that bad.... |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/18/16 at 16:02:50 7E59405F45664453455A534F360 wrote:
Did you come up with anything yet? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by HovisPresley on 03/19/16 at 08:30:06 PG, I googled 'was Hitler a socialist?' and this was the first on the list: http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/germanyandprussia/fl/Was-Adolf-Hitler-a-Socialist-Debunking-a-Historical-Myth.htm |
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Title: Re: Trump and violence Post by pg on 03/19/16 at 14:21:38 466178677D5E7C6B7D626B770E0 wrote:
What were the other results of the search? I've read the what the search engines produced. It is my opinion that he was a socialist; although, I will concede it was a very perverse form of socialism based on ethnicity as opposed to class. I don't believe he liked capitalism and I know he hated the communists. Best regards, |
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