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Title: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/23/16 at 16:23:48 The Quran's deadly role in inspiring Belgian slaughter: Column Nabeel Qureshi March 22, 2016 USA TODAY This six-year-old poodle named Nala goes to work every day. Her job is to make people happy. She scurries around a senior living center in Minnesota and has captured everyone's hearts. Western recruits for jihad are inspired by the literal interpretation of Muslim sacred texts. This is what we must fight. Americans awoke this morning to another terrorist attack — this time in the Brussels airport and subway. These attacks hit close to home. Many of us have flown through the Brussels airport, just as we have vacationed in Paris and visited San Bernardino. Once again images of the injured flood social media channels, reminding Americans of the ever-present reality that it could have been us. How is this happening? Why are people becoming radicalized, and so close to home? I am concerned how little we in the West understand why peaceful Muslims who live among us are drawn into radical Islam. As a Muslim growing up in the United States, I was taught by my imams and the community around me that Islam is a religion of peace. My family modeled love for others and love for country, and not just by their words. My father served in the U.S. Navy throughout my childhood, starting as a seaman and retiring as a lieutenant commander. I believed wholeheartedly a slogan often repeated at my mosque after 9/11: “The terrorists who hijacked the planes also hijacked Islam.” Yet as I began to investigate the Quran and the traditions of Muhammad’s life for myself in college, I found to my genuine surprise that the pages of Islamic history are filled with violence. How could I reconcile this with what I had always been taught about Islam? In February 2015, the U.S. State Department Acting Spokesperson Marie Harf suggested that a “lack of opportunity for jobs” might be a significant factor in radicalization and terrorism. Alternatively, Suraj Lakhani, a scholar of radicalization in Wales, suggested that the process is driven by religious concerns and a drive to bolster one’s personal identity. He implies that young Muslims ought not be allowed to hear ISIL messages or interact with their recruiters. Naturally, I agree that interacting with ISIL recruiters is a bad idea, but I believe what the recruiters themselves say sheds the most insight on the radicalization process. ISIL’s primary recruiting technique is not social or financial but theological. With frequent references to the highest sources of authority in Islam, the Quran and hadith (the collection of the sayings of the prophet Muhammad), ISIL enjoins upon Muslims their duty to fight against the enemies of Islam and to emigrate to the Islamic State once it has been established. A recent two-page spread in the third issue of ISIL’s propaganda magazine, Dabiq, for instance, appealed to prospective recruits to leave their homeland and emigrate to the Islamic State by quoting a hadith from the canonical collections; it urged them to realize that they are living in times that reflect those of the earliest Muslims by referring to Muhammad’s life; it encouraged them to take a step of faith by quoting the Quran; and it praised them for their obedience by quoting yet another hadith. All four references to the Quran, hadith and the related Sunnah, were on the same two-page spread. Such is the frequency and intensity with which ISIL uses Islam's foundational texts to appeal to potential recruits. As a young Muslim boy growing up in the 1980s and 1990s, it was impossible for me to look up a hadith unless I traveled to an Islamic library, something I would have never thought to do. For all intents and purposes, if I wanted to know about the traditions of Muhammad, I had to ask imams or elders in my tradition of Islam. That is no longer the case today. Just as radical Islamists may spread their message far and wide online, so, too, the Internet has made the traditions of Muhammad readily available for whoever wishes to look them up, even in English. When everyday Muslims investigate the Quran and hadith for themselves, bypassing centuries of tradition and their imams’ interpretations, they are confronted with the reality of violent jihad in the very foundations of their faith. The Quran itself reveals a trajectory of jihad reflected in the almost 23 years of Muhammad’s prophetic career. As I demonstrate carefully in my book, Answering Jihad: A Better Way Forward, starting with peaceful teachings and proclamations of monotheism, Muhammad's message featured violence with increasing intensity, culminating in surah 9, chronologically the last major chapter of the Quran, and its most expansively violent teaching. Throughout history, Muslim theologians have understood and taught this progression, that the message of the Quran culminates in its ninth chapter. Next Video Surah 9 is a command to disavow all treaties with polytheists and to subjugate Jews and Christians (9.29) so that Islam may “prevail over all religions” (9.33). It is fair to wonder whether any non-Muslims in the world are immune from being attacked, subdued or assimilated under this command. Muslims must fight, according to this final chapter of the Quran, and if they do not, then their faith is called into question and they are counted among the hypocrites (9.44-45). If they do fight, they are promised one of two rewards, either spoils of war or heaven through martyrdom. Allah has made a bargain with the mujahid who obeys: Kill or be killed in battle, and paradise awaits (9.111). Muslim thought leaders agree that the Quran promotes such violence. Maajid Nawaz, co-founder of the Quilliam Foundation in the United Kingdom, has said, “We Muslims must admit there are challenging Koranic passages that require reinterpretation today. ... Only by rejecting vacuous literalism are we able to condemn, in principle, ISIS-style slavery, beheading, lashing, amputation & other medieval practices forever (all of which are in the Quran). … Reformers either win, and get religion-neutral politics, or lose, and get ISIL-style theocracy.” In other words, Muslims must depart from the literal reading of the Quran in order to create a jihad-free Islamic world. This is not at all to say that most Muslims are violent. The vast majority of Muslims do not live their lives based on chapter 9 of the Quran or on the books of jihad in the hadith. My point is not to question the faith of such Muslims nor to imply that radical Muslims are the true Muslims. Rather, I simply want to make clear that while ISIL may lure youth through a variety of methods, it radicalizes them primarily by urging them to follow the literal teachings of the Quran and the hadith, interpreted consistently and in light of the violent trajectory of early Islam. As long as the Islamic world focuses on its foundational texts, we will continue to see violent jihadi movements. In order to effectively confront radicalization, then, our tools must be similarly ideological, even theological. This is why I suggest that sharing alternative worldviews with Muslims is one of the best methods to address radicalization. Indeed, this is what happened to me. As I faced the reality of the violent traditions of Islam, I had a Christian friend who suggested that Islam did not have to be my only choice and that there were excellent reasons to accept the gospel. As more and more Western Muslims encounter ISIL’s claims and the surprising violence in their own tradition, many will be looking for ways out of the moral quandary this poses for them. We need to be equipped to provide alternatives to violent jihad, alternatives that address the root of why so many Muslims are radicalizing in the first place. Any solution, political or otherwise, that overlooks the spiritual and religious roots of jihad can have only limited effectiveness. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/23/16 at 16:47:19 first and foremost, we must address the egregious atrocities committed by the US at the behest of the UK govt and it's wholesale rape and pillage of middle eastern resources (oil and other natural resources) for a hundred plus years now. Always ignoring the Maslow root of this issue is what perpetuates these attacks. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/23/16 at 17:03:15 634254425553754653270 wrote:
Rat, how can I tell you to go procreate yourself without getting a moderator all over me ....because that's what I'm telling you to do. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/23/16 at 17:44:39 7A5B4D5B4C4A6C5F4A3E0 wrote:
Did you read the article? |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by oldNslow on 03/23/16 at 18:17:53 Quote:
Yeah , that'll work. Convert 'em all to Christianity. As long as they don't chop yer da*m head off before ya get through The Gospel according to Matthew. Sorry, I believe in the Gospel according to General Curtis LeMay: "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/16 at 18:28:29 No, Rat, first and foremost, we close the borders and cease and desist allowing anyone in who even looks like they could possibly be a threat. We cease and desist killing people and supporting the Rebels. Has no one yet GRASPED that Libya, now destroyed, WAS not a debtor to the central bank scheme, AND, its name was ON THE LIST of countries that We Would deal with militarily, and That list was made public not long after 9/11, And Yet, the REASONS for invading are much more recent. Is anyone else able to grasp the importance of that? We created the Arab Spring. We created Al CIA duhh, and that morphed into ISIS, and we created the refugee problem, and, the refugees are a perfect place for some terrorists to mix in amongst,, I know! LET'S BRING THEM HERE! After all, we Looove everyone and Everyone Looves us, too. Until you've Dealt with a sociopath, you might be naive. I WAS. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/23/16 at 20:41:36 023037262130271834273E550 wrote:
Truth brought to light. There's always a foundational motive to all terrorists activities, and that includes those perpetuated by our own govt. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/23/16 at 20:55:12 bull$hit. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by pg on 03/24/16 at 03:26:51 566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
Not really, how about the mujaheddin we created, or we need to arm those moderate Syrian rebels who are cutting out organs and eating them, or even closer to home let's arm Mexican cartels so we can trace the weapons. ::) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/24/16 at 03:48:14 Man is evil, period. He is selfish and his motivation hinges on that very trait...... If everybody right, then no body is wrong. However, what I was hoping for was the reference to the Surah 9 Should Christians use the OT to push their belief when it talks punishment? Laws made by man, or God, what is the difference, if someone dies for their crime or sin? |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/24/16 at 04:41:44 3B2C2A2629394B0 wrote:
Not really, how about the mujaheddin we created, or we need to arm those moderate Syrian rebels who are cutting out organs and eating them, or even closer to home let's arm Mexican cartels so we can trace the weapons. ::) Best regards,[/quote] Big F'ing deal.... that doesn't explain setting a backpack bomb full of ball bearings behind a little boy watching his mommy run a marathon. There's a lot more behind what goes into the mentality that would allow a young man mostly raised in the US to do that. Payback for events that occurred before either of those Boston Bombers brothers were born is not why they did that. Islam is violent. The Koran's history of violence is is an open ended It fosters a mentality of 'us against them' and the 'them' at the moment is the civilized west. Countries in which Islam dominates, turn violent. Part of it is poverty, because the leaders are like socialist or communist, all they really care about is power. It starts with keeping women in their place, but that's a whole other topic. The point is, and get this through your head, neither the United States, Britain, France or Europe as a whole is not to blame. That's the mentality that says blame the rape victim for wearing a short skirt. No, Islam is to blame. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/24/16 at 05:10:06 You make some good points web, but to set the world right we need to offer resettlement with all the blacks, back to their roots I reckon.... After that, white man needs to retreat back to Europe and return the states back to the natives and Mexicans too. If we don't, we can never expect peace. Heck, let's go back to the garden of Eden and have Adam snatch that Apple from Eve's mouth, and replace it with a smack across her butt for trying to ruin the future of mankind [ch128523] |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/24/16 at 09:42:29 416076607771576471050 wrote:
..................................... Truth brought to light. There's always a foundational motive to all terrorists activities, and that includes those perpetuated by our own govt. [/quote] ................................................ And my govt., over years, and largely about controlling oil......even WW1 was largely about oil.....oh, and arms sales. Mark, remember when you said that the US hadn't invaded any other country since WW2, and I linked a list of 50-ish? 'Reaping' and 'sowing'.................... When the British army shot 26 unarmed civilians, killing 13, on a protest march, recruitment numbers for the IRA 'shot up' (oops). Muslim women... "It starts with keeping women in their place, but that's a whole other topic." The two largest Muslim countries both have/had women Prime-minister/Head-of-State. A bit different to wanting control over pregnant womens' bodies, eh Mark? But as you say, that's another topic. Feel free to start it. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by pg on 03/24/16 at 15:24:41 043631202736211E322138530 wrote:
Again, you would be mistaken. The Sykes-Picot agreement was formulated During WW1 and effectively divided the Arab provinces of the Ottoman empire. England & France gained control of Syria, Iraq, Palestine, as well as parts of Turkey. One of the primary objectives of ISIS is to reverse the effects of the this agreement. To say the west's hands are clean is simply a falsehood. With that said, the world simply cannot and should not tolerate living with these barbaric cretins. I'm just disappointed to see Putin pull out before the job was finished. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/24/16 at 19:09:06 Mark, I'm just sharing HISTORY with you. It's written in books, and available on the internet if you prefer. Not looking to argue with you, just providing facts and additional research I've performed over the years trying to make sense of the senseless violence around me. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/24/16 at 21:17:10 Rat, The United States dropped nuclear weapons on Japan killing hundreds thousand people in the blink of an eye. Strangely enough, Japanese are not strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up airports. American GIs slaughtered German Nazis in the 1940s and then divided their country up with their sworn enemies, the Russians. Today, Germans are not flying planes into buildings. In the 1960s and 70s, American GIs killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese. Today Vietnamese are not detonating bombs hidden backpacks. Ask yourself this question: why not ? |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/24/16 at 21:20:55 You should ask yourself: why not? I will share with you this fact: We REBUILT everyone of those nations after going to war with them. It is a different beast with the middle east. We have raped and pillaged their countries for a 100+ years without anything in return. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/25/16 at 03:38:13 456472647375536075010 wrote:
Goggle the monetary support we have lent that part of the world, rat. Then try your statement again. BTW, read about the Ottoman Empire as well, which was Muslim ( for the most part ). Saw a bumper ( fender ) sticker on a BMW bike today..... Said, War is not the answer. True enuff. But sometimes, its the only solution, sadly :( |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/25/16 at 04:06:00 08293F293E381E2D384C0 wrote:
We've spent billions over there. The reason is Islam, that's the difference. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/25/16 at 05:51:47 And my govt., over years, and largely about controlling oil......even WW1 was largely about oil.....oh, and arms sales. Mark, remember when you said that the US hadn't invaded any other country since WW2, and I linked a list of 50-ish? I remember the conversation and the list, not all the names however and I'm not going to go find it. However, my guess is your definition of invade is a bit different than mine or most. Did we invade France on D-Day? (it's even commonly called the Normandy Invasion) iDid we invade Grenada? In the sense you want to use the word, no we did not invade. Invade implies moving in and taking over. We went into France, fought a war and left. We did not invade Grenada. We went it, rescued some students and left. You liberals, living in the comfy confines of safety, always characterize your nation based upon the few difficult moments that come from trying to be the moral beacon in an otherwise dark world. Life is a movie, it's not a snapshot. Take things in their entirety, not singular instances. Would you like to be remembered and characterized by a few dark moments in your past? Would it be fair to do that? |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/25/16 at 08:36:31 69485E485F597F4C592D0 wrote:
..................................................................... Thanks, saves me typing. Quote WM: "You liberals, living in the comfy confines of safety..." Well, in my lifetime, in those 'comfy confines': * we've had 10,000 bombs (Catholic v Protestant). * 7/7 attacks in London. *my cousin (previously mentioned) had first-hand experience of a 'London bombing'. *Heard numerous stories about when my dad's house was bombed, and also when my mother watched Coventry burn. I won't mention my first-hand experience of N.Ireland, Israel, the Balkans (during the war), post-Ceausescu Romania straight after the revolution....too 'comfy' and 'confined' to be of worth, Mark.... "You liberals, living in the comfy confines of safety..." was written by someone 4-5000 miles away in a 'Top 10 wealthiest country'......worth remembering ::) |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/16 at 12:09:27 we've had 10,000 bombs (Catholic v Protestant). * 7/7 attacks in London. More to those events than are accepted by the masses. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/25/16 at 12:25:34 Oh, most definitely. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by pg on 03/25/16 at 15:31:26 183F263923002235233C3529500 wrote:
If you care to elaborate I'm interested in hearing about some of your experiences. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/25/16 at 15:49:58 4B58405D584E5E390 wrote:
The "monetary support" was paid to the dictators we put in place. Unlike the actual support, monetary and otherwise, we provided those post-war countries. HUGE difference. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/25/16 at 15:57:59 Quote WM; "We did not invade Grenada. We went it, rescued some students and left. " ......................................... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada .......................................... PG, ask away :) by PM or new thread. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/26/16 at 09:04:57 u 52756C73694A687F69767F631A0 wrote:
..................................................................... Thanks, saves me typing. Quote WM: "You liberals, living in the comfy confines of safety..." Well, in my lifetime, in those 'comfy confines': * we've had 10,000 bombs (Catholic v Protestant). * 7/7 attacks in London. *my cousin (previously mentioned) had first-hand experience of a 'London bombing'. *Heard numerous stories about when my dad's house was bombed, and also when my mother watched Coventry burn. I won't mention my first-hand experience of N.Ireland, Israel, the Balkans (during the war), post-Ceausescu Romania straight after the revolution....too 'comfy' and 'confined' to be of worth, Mark.... "You liberals, living in the comfy confines of safety..." was written by someone 4-5000 miles away in a 'Top 10 wealthiest country'......worth remembering ::) [/quote] So, let me get this straight: you've had all those things happen to you and yet you're still foolish enough to leave the doors open and let an unknown number of Islamic terrorist into The UK and encourage the US to do the same? A few of the Paris nightclub killers were in the wave of "refugees" and they've said more have gone into other countries, probably yours. What the hell is wrong with you?! You have no problem blaming Christianity, if some wacho shoots up an abortion clinic once in a blue moon, but let dozens and dozens of scumbags murder innocents on a weeky, if not daily basis, right after shouting Allah Akbar and your position is its got nothing to do with Islam......?! That we shouldn't single out Muslims for greater scrutiny? :-? |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by Serowbot on 03/26/16 at 09:18:17 How much of your taxpayer money do you want to devote to surveilling 3.3 million people?... Are you scared enough to pay an extra say 20% in taxes?... or should we just pile it onto the debt?... maybe take it away from the poor and the hungry... we definitely don't want to burden the rich with it... :-/ Make it 30%... we need money for a wall, too... ;D No wait,.. 40%.... Dawg wants a new Iraq war... Meanwhile,.. don't restrict guns... we need them more than ever...::) |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/26/16 at 09:24:11 Quote WM; "So, let me get this straight: ......" ............................................................. You've got it a bit wonky, time for a new bubble in that spirit-level... |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/26/16 at 09:30:08 Mark, you need a RIDE, brother :) |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/26/16 at 13:28:52 nice responses. How many of the Brussel's killers were "refugees" I wonder?...... |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/26/16 at 13:49:04 I think the guys involved in 'Paris' and 'Brussels' were either native or passport-holders of France/Belgium, not refugees. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/26/16 at 15:18:11 I would not bet on that nor would I bet on who launches future attacks. Like I said, you and a few others on here will get all red in the face and your blood pressure will spike talking about your distain for Christianity, but you're quiet as church mice in the face of a Muslim onslaught. You guys are like those militant lesbos who sued that baker. They didn't have the balls (although I guess they wish at least one of them did....!) but they'd never push back against a Muslim fundamentalist baker who would throw them off a building if they could. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/26/16 at 15:29:16 Mark, now your introducing smelly, rotten red herring. Your posts remind me that the govt has folks in play: Quote:
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by pg on 03/26/16 at 16:03:04 DR, can you provide the link to that story? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/26/16 at 16:17:11 2B3C3A3639295B0 wrote:
complete with all links to original news releases and military sources: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2470594/endpoint-security/army-of-fake-social-media-friends-to-promote-propaganda.html http://www.computerworld.com/article/2469530/cybercrime-hacking/eff-warns-big-brother-wants-to-be-your-friend.html |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/26/16 at 16:39:23 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
...................................................... Blood-boiling disdain for Christianity? No, Jesus had a great message for humanity, I imagine. Just pointing out that the bombers flying over the Middle East are generally Judeo-Christian Militia. Quiet as a church mouse? I've posted 10 times in the last 24-ish hours on the subject. Your fantasies about us being like 'militant lesbians'? A Freudian's paradise ;) |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/26/16 at 20:26:36 4157405D45505D46320 wrote:
You get so steamed when people put words in your mouth..... Even when I posted exactly what you said about your political mission was to make sure no Christians held public office.... Yet you assume I want a war, which is not what I said. I said your party leader was failing at his elected task. You think its fine and dandy to drone strike a suspected target, without any concern for collateral damage and killings, which is odd, for you blame the USA for this mess because...... they killed Muslims. You are so entrenched in party politics that you have become irrational in reasoning. Use to be fun having dialogue with you, sadly that thrill is gone :( |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by HovisPresley on 03/26/16 at 21:26:52 "You are so entrenched in party politics that you have become irrational in reasoning." He didn't even vote, the other day ;D |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/26/16 at 22:05:09 He claimed he was running ... :o |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by WebsterMark on 03/27/16 at 06:07:38 I think Ray's point could be summed up like this: if Sew were an international movie star (insert your favorite jokes here....) and held the position Ray outlined in his last post: "you said about your political mission was to make sure no Christians held public office...." .....he would face no retribution and in fact might pick up a few more movie offers. if he made one tiny little change and said: "you said about your political mission was to make sure no MUSLIMS held public office...." he would be blackballed and you'd never hear from him again. This despite the fact only one of these groups is blowing people up regularly in the name of their God. Hovis, Rat, Sew along with media, European elites, and Democratic liberals take a position that will destroy us. You cherry pick incidents from the past as some kind of justification for the horrors unleashed on the civilized world. Your illogical beliefs almost make me think you're under the influence of a demon determined to destroy good in the world. If this were Lord of the Rings, you guys are siding with the Orcs..... In fact, I think I'll collectively refer to you all as Orcs. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/27/16 at 06:25:24 Yes Web, you are correct. We have kinda beaten this behavior to death, like Obama is allowed to tell his folk to get in the oppositions face, or Hillary claiming its OK to be against the administration, in fact, patriotic, yet the right is chastised with taunts of racism if you disagree with Obama, etc.... They are not liberal in actions, or deed, but very intolerant. I know the Bern is being labeled with just wanting to give everything away, but I think the younger folks, and those who see through the charade of the democrats, are waking to the truth, they lie only to get votes, and are bought, and beholden, to BIG money, just like what they level against the right. The awakening is happening, it has started, even the BLM and others, that presently appear in opposition, will join forces as these frauds will be revealed in the social media, not the "press" for who they are.... and why. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by raydawg on 03/27/16 at 06:29:13 2A0D140B11321007110E071B620 wrote:
Not surprised..... He prolly thinks its more important to stay locked in his cubby banging away on his keyboard. |
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Title: Re: Ya read this then share your thoughts..... Post by DesertRat on 03/27/16 at 09:39:12 5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 wrote:
:o WTF are you on about? :-? I'm classified as DISAFFECTED, because I have a conscientious objection to those who claim to rule or have power over me and mine. As for my position, you've totally misrepresented everything I've written. I have NOT cherry picked s#it, in fact I've given you the data to make an INFORMED, wise decision and you've pi$$ed on it. ::) |
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