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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> FBI vs. Apple, part 2 /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1459306733 Message started by oldNslow on 03/29/16 at 19:58:53 |
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Title: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by oldNslow on 03/29/16 at 19:58:53 Regardless of who you were rooting for in this little spat, and why, I've got a pretty good idea who the real losers are. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/29/did-the-fbi-just-unleash-a-hacker-army-on-apple.html |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by Serowbot on 03/29/16 at 23:00:50 Apple stood strong for it's invulnerability... and found out it was a tin soldier... Lesson here... ...if you can build it, it can be broken... "Show me a 50ft wall,... and I'll show you a 51ft ladder."... Absolutes are illusion,... there are only shades of gray... |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 03/30/16 at 03:55:05 Gee, I guess Hillary's wiping is just a cakewalk for these techs..... Prolly can tell what the meaning of IS, is, and where OJ's knife is hidden, mercy ;D |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 06:23:47 Absolutes are illusion, Is that an absolute? Remember.. Moderation in All things Therefore, something must be done to excess. Else, we fail to moderate moderately. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by Serowbot on 03/30/16 at 07:47:40 Absolutely... :-? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 03/30/16 at 08:05:58 To say there are no absolutes is so open minded and mirrors tolerance of the person claiming such enlightenment...... Sorta like singing in the shower under the perception you can really carry a song. Oh the irony, lost and beyond grasp [ch128555] |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by Serowbot on 03/30/16 at 09:08:24 3F2C34292C3A2A4D0 wrote:
..as your irony so often is... ;D |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 10:02:21 It's all fuzzy. Situational ethics. No Real right and wrong. Bull Crap. Absolutes exist, common core math doesn't stop 2+2=4 being the answer. Walk off the roof. Tell gravity That's not Fair. Repeat until you understand. Right and wrong exist. That some people are able to embrace and accept wrong as acceptable doesn't make it less wrong. It just diminishes society. And LOOK at what's accepted and LOOK at the condition of society. And those who brought us here claim that the only reason we aren't doing great is because of the knuckle dragging conservatives who just can't grasp the advanced thinking, Which, BTW, NONE of the left will expound upon, and Explain what they want society to Be. Maybe they Can't say what society should be like, because everything is so fluid and shades of gray and always in a state of flux, since there are no absolutes. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 03/30/16 at 10:35:00 Jog, I will hazard a guess as to why the left won't tell exactly what it is they want, and why..... It's because they are victims, they react to outside stimuli instead of internal understandings. Ghandi said be the change you wish to see in the world, no, they want to point out how others should change to make them feel better, etc. It really knows no party lines, racial or gender, but I have observed it seems to be widely accepted by liberals. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by oldNslow on 03/30/16 at 11:16:31 So... No One is interested in discussing the implications of the FBI apparently using foreign hackers to break the encryption developed by an American technology company, and what that might mean for our national security down the road ? Okay, never mind then. Just continue with the same old pissing contest. Bye. ::) |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 11:17:42 Not to steal your thunder, but I Have considered that. They counter and oppose. Until they see what someone else is doing, they have no idea what to stand against. Until Someone expresses a belief, they have nothing to stomp. You WILL contract with and participate in the union of the queers, or Else! Well, their Unwillingness was Absolutely Wrong, wasn't it? Ohh, I'm just a devil to debate.. Too many people on the planet? There is no God? The unborn don't matter? If there is no God and the UNBORN don't count, then WHY do You? Off yourself. There is no right or wrong. No God, and Life, well, it's just a strange accident. Why Be a burden on Mother Earth? That's Not a personal Attack. That's an intellectual challenge. I'm truly curious to understand the logic. I suspect that I will be curious about it for a long time, because I don't expect to get a rational explanation. Careful about what you say... I'm watching. For the folks who enjoy a good turn of a phrase and some thought provoking, witty reading, check out Fred on everything. I'm forced to check out definitions of words in every article. I have a Big Webster's dictionary from 1973. I got it and kept it by the chair. When Howard Cosell was doing NFL, I'd be looking stuff up, hoping to catch him wrong. He expanded my vocabulary. So did my grandpa,, but in an entirely different direction. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 13:14:36 I wasn't expecting a quick response. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 14:13:51 Mighta hit a nerve... some form of paralysis may be occurring. It can't be mental, because the responses are ,best as I've been able to understand, based in instinct, like an ant behaves instinctively, or a wasp or bee, always selflessly and to protect the hive. Yes, we have stepped away from the Warm Fuzzy and into The rational realm. It must be uncomfortable for the denizens of Ohhh, it's what Feels good... If you believe in open borders and have a fence or a door, you're a hypocrite of the highest order. If YOU believe that We should provide for the people who Break and Enter our Nation, then YOU need to be willing to be feed and house anyone who needs it FROM YOU. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 03/30/16 at 14:17:36 5A6465697B6766080 wrote:
Gee, wtf was that :o You really think this is news? Yes, they prolly have Hillary's emails and know what color Chelsea's panties were on her wedding day... And if she is elected they might try to blackmail her.... Who knows, as bot says, build a 50 foot wall, somebody will make a 51 foot ladder. The Internet will never e 100% secure and we are leaning toward the computer for all of our salvation.... Now what, go back to the horse and buggy? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by oldNslow on 03/30/16 at 14:26:51 Quote:
Say what?? Did you even read the article?. It's got nothing to do with Hillary and her emails. I don't even know what you guys are talking about. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 14:34:49 320C0D01130F0E600 wrote:
I have/had no idea WHO offered and provided help. That it was Needed is not something I am able to grasp. After all, we DO spend more than the sum total of many nations on Dee Fence and we ARE Number One. So, WHY are we so unable to accomplish Fukkalll? Can't find the guns pushed across the border, can't stop the influx of illegals , can't win wars, but WE ARE Number One. Yeah, tattoo that inside your eyelids. So you can see it every time you blink. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 03/30/16 at 15:04:14 Yes I read it, and again, you think this knowledge was just waiting for an invitation? My son at 12 years old could tear into his computer and make it better.... He had the whole thing torn apart to my dismay... Had back running in nothing flat. He figgered out how to intercept paid cable, etc, and get stuff for free.. The little turd could do rubic cube in seconds. It seems crazy to us, but this geeks will always be out to screw with technology, it's a game to them. We ain't seen nut'n yet..... You wanna pee now? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 15:21:20 Not gonna be swept under the rug. [/b] 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 15:22:40 796660677A7D4C7C4C74666A21130 wrote:
Not going away. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by HovisPresley on 03/30/16 at 15:57:52 "Not going away." Maybe it needs a new thread with a specific question. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by oldNslow on 03/30/16 at 17:50:24 15322B342E0D2F382E3138245D0 wrote:
OK. I'll rephrase the question I asked in a previous post to this. "What are the implications of the FBI using foreign hackers to break the encryption developed by an American technology company, and what might that mean for our national security down the road. And I'll add, what might it mean to the security of other more mundane domestic encrypted networks like banking for example. Who are these folks that the FBI is in bed with ? The FBI won't say. And apple claims not to know how this was done. It's not really a partisan question. I wanted to know what people thought. And the pissing contest I was referring to was the lefty vs righty bullsh*t that the first replies pretty much consisted of. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/16 at 18:08:14 I maintain my position. I'm unable to believe that we Needed help. IF in fact help Was needed AND we spend Multiple times the amount of money other nations do, then exactly What are we getting for our money? Does nobody else see this? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by Paraquat on 03/31/16 at 06:04:27 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
I've got nothing better going on. --Steve |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/16 at 12:59:22 Gee, and there I was, expecting a well thought out, logical explanation. Imagine my surprise. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/16 at 12:27:44 ? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by HovisPresley on 04/01/16 at 14:18:49 ? indeed? Sorry, 'oldnslow', the question was aimed at Justin |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/16 at 16:16:25 I've typed out a BUNCH of stuff, waiting for the left to reply. You got a question, Hovis, ask it. And be clear about it. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by HovisPresley on 04/01/16 at 18:27:01 Justin, what is "not going away"? (reply 18) |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/16 at 18:58:58 That's IT? THAT'S THE EARTH MOVING QUESTION? Have you noticed that it's with something else? I'm not going hunting, but I have typed, quoted, pointed out the questions AND NOBODY HAS THE BALLS to even TRY to answer. And THAT'S your question.. Phhhht, figure it out. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by HovisPresley on 04/01/16 at 19:07:48 Not an 'earth moving question', but one which you have bothered to 'quote' yourself, in response to your own post....in this very thread (no need for the hunting cap).... PS. As to the original thread, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Stoll and "The Cuckoo's Egg". |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/16 at 19:56:47 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/16 at 19:57:27 425D5B5C41467747774F5D511A280 wrote:
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/16 at 19:58:20 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/16 at 07:26:54 That's what is not going away. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by HovisPresley on 04/02/16 at 07:42:59 Whilst I appreciate that it's 'not going away', it might need to be 'restructured' into specific relevant questions to allow specific relevant answers. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/16 at 07:48:58 Let's just start here If you believe in open borders and have a fence or a door, you're a hypocrite of the highest order. If YOU believe that We should provide for the people who Break and Enter our Nation, then YOU need to be willing to be feed and house anyone who needs it FROM YOU. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 04/02/16 at 07:57:28 243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:
Silly rabbit, or you saying the Hollywood bodyguards should not pack too ::) |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/16 at 08:41:26 Is that supposed to mean something? You call that a rational response to a rather long, typed out, position on borders? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by Serowbot on 04/02/16 at 09:25:32 Little response here JOG,.. because there is no rational train of thought... |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 04/02/16 at 10:05:51 7A69716C697F6F080 wrote:
Silly rabbit, or you saying the Hollywood bodyguards should not pack too ::) [/quote] JOG.... you referred to those who have a door to their house and lock it, as hypocrites if they are for open borders, yes? I was pointing out how Hollywood is so anti gun, yet they have extreme gun violence in their movies AND their bodyguards carry guns for protection of.....???? Got it now? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by Serowbot on 04/02/16 at 10:29:10 Did you know,.. turtles can breathe out their butts?... :-? Just felt the need to add something substantive... :-? |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/16 at 13:06:20 7F6C74696C7A6A0D0 wrote:
Silly rabbit, or you saying the Hollywood bodyguards should not pack too ::) [/quote] JOG.... you referred to those who have a door to their house and lock it, as hypocrites if they are for open borders, yes? I was pointing out how Hollywood is so anti gun, yet they have extreme gun violence in their movies AND their bodyguards carry guns for protection of.....???? Got it now? [/quote] Complete thoughts are helpful that way. I can point out other places where they are hypocritical. Nobody HERE is part of Hollywood. We do,however, have open border proponents. Seeing the response by bot screams... talk about crap. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/16 at 13:07:50 5442554850454853270 wrote:
I'm Literally sickened. |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by raydawg on 04/03/16 at 06:52:38 534C4A4D50576656665E4C400B390 wrote:
I'm Literally sickened. [/quote] I have given up on bot......sad to say :( I use to enjoy his input, and gave value to it, but in my opinion he hasn't said anything substantive in quite a spell. I have noticed how many on the left can't defend their positions, so ad hominem and diversion seems to be all they have. If you read any comments on online sights on issues dealing with Sander's and Clinton, you will see the Hillary supports attack the Sander's support in the same way.... JOG, keep your sharing, even tho many don't reply, you still get good views, and I like em' anyway ;D |
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Title: Re: FBI vs. Apple, part 2 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 07:25:22 Thanks, maybe I will.. but I'm tired of trying to have some meaningful discourse with the ones who SAY they disagree only to get silence or silly for All my typing. |
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