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Title: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/23/16 at 19:51:13 But why not try, one more time? http://freedomoutpost.com/this-moms-pictures-expose-the-ridiculousness-and-insanity-of-transgenders/ |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/23/16 at 19:59:50 Nice...But...Isn't there more to it than clothes? :-? |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by verslagen1 on 04/23/16 at 20:32:31 Is this a transtopic? a cafe topic in the RSD? |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/23/16 at 20:59:40 Yeah... I thought it seemed out of place too. I just didn't say anything. It actually fits the Tall Table best. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Serowbot on 04/23/16 at 22:09:34 So, where should this person pee?... http://www.buzzfeed.com/leticiamiranda/trans-bathroom-selfie#.tnwbMlr5J http://https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-04/22/11/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-25647-1461340783-1.png |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/23/16 at 22:13:46 Do I REALLY have to explain it, again? If it can walk in the women's room and not freak them out, okay. Im tired of typing it, so, It's easily solved. If you look like a woman, use the women's room; if you look like a man, use the men's room. If you're a bearded dude in a dress, hold it until you get home. If you suddenly see the wisdom in that , why was it not smart when I said that? |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Serowbot on 04/23/16 at 22:21:16 JOG,.. that is not the N.C. law we are discussing... That is the way it was,.. before this law... This person is now directed by law, to use the Men's room in N.C. ... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/23/16 at 22:30:48 Not my fault, or problem. My position is as I stated. That's what law I support. Common sense. Or Three bathrooms. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 06:31:10 one bathroom... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by DesertRat on 04/24/16 at 08:13:34 7F637E667B6E79686764656E0B0 wrote:
THIS +1,000 ... it's all part and parcel to the DEMANDED "Equality" after all ;) |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/16 at 08:30:48 Yeah , let's screw up everyone.. over a tiny percentage of the population. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by DesertRat on 04/24/16 at 08:54:46 Justin ... luv ya brother, but you need some sleep or decaf ;) it was Hyperbole, derived from a Greek word meaning “over-casting”, which is a figure of speech, involving an exaggeration of ideas for the sake of emphasis. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by raydawg on 04/24/16 at 09:44:07 Why is everyone getting their slip all ruffled up over this? Look, just as the political parties and lobbies have litmus test to assure of a persons intentions, we can solicit the same mindset to this issue and be done with it forevermore, you know, like move onto more pressing items ::) If a "person" of any gender can stand up and still pizz in a urinal, its good to go. If not, sit down and wipe this off your agenda! Next problem.....geez. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 09:50:34 puritanical ideals are tyrannous |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/16 at 09:52:39 7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
I don't think this one belongs in the mens room. I know, I started off with If it's got a schlong, it's a man, and belongs in the mens room. After talking about it and thinking about it, I evolved some. If someone looks like a woman, go to the women's room. If it's some dude in a dress? Don't go in the women's room. Now, just how butch does a woman need to be in order to feel right about using the mens room? |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 09:55:39 when you go camping theres no mens tree or womens tree we all crap between our ankles |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/24/16 at 09:58:27 7264736E76636E75010 wrote:
This trans person looks fairly close to a natural woman. Some women look fairly close to that. Fooled me. Now tell me who's gonna even ask whether she is natural or trans? Does "she" have a male voice? Any masculinity in "her" looks is so subtle as to not even cause alarm in many cases. The transformation must have been done before puberty did the bulk of it's work. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/24/16 at 09:59:51 5C405D45584D5A4B4447464D280 wrote:
Yeah, some places only have ONE bathroom. No male... no female... Just bathroom. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/16 at 10:12:30 And the place with just one bathroom is not designed for a half dozen women who are wondering if some dude in a dress is about to walk in. Try to stay inside the larger context of what the problem and topic is about. We aren't Talking about the mom and pop stop and go gas station out in the sticks with one bathroom. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 10:29:06 7B707D7968767D6F7A2A2C180 wrote:
Yeah, some places only have ONE bathroom. No male... no female... Just bathroom.[/quote] my house!! |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 10:30:52 283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote:
I have a trans genger inlaw she tells me the men are a lot more phobic than the women |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 10:52:11 [quote author=514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 link=1461466273/15#18 date=1461517950]And the place with just one bathroom is not designed for a half dozen women who are wondering if some dude in a dress is about to walk in. Try to stay inside the larger context of what the problem and topic is about. the problem is perception the problem is washed brains |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by DesertRat on 04/24/16 at 11:14:57 why can't we share the same toilet room? I don't CARE if some chic is "wondering" about me or some other dude walkin' in and start pissing or dropping a deuce in the next stall over ... whaaaaaaaaa :'( who f#c&ing cares, really? I refuse to pander to "conditional equality", it's all or nothing ... ;D |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 11:30:49 163721372026003326520 wrote:
spot on there's a lot of other crap to worry about too many prudes ;) |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by raydawg on 04/24/16 at 11:32:49 3B273A223F2A3D2C2320212A4F0 wrote:
Yeah, I loved it in Jurassic Park :-* |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by thumperclone on 04/24/16 at 11:41:23 47544C51544252350 wrote:
Yeah, I loved it in Jurassic Park :-* [/quote] rofl ;D |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/16 at 11:54:08 Isn't it funny? Really? All of this is the result of pressure from the left to be more Sensitive to the emotional Needs of those who were Living in the Closet. And, it was done. Now, Their emotional needs are still in the forefront. What about how our wives and daughters feel? And if you are okay with a woman cruising the mens room, fine. I don't know how I would feel about it. I'm pretty sure that most women don't want a man in theirs. Again,if it looks enough like a woman to not create a stir, okay. If it's a linebacker with five o'clock shadow in a dress? Go outside. When do They start to be expected to be sensitive to the feelings of the society they expect to be embraced by? |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by DesertRat on 04/24/16 at 12:29:14 that's my point exactly Justin ... F#@K "conditional equality" ... and/or "biological constraints" ... we're either EQUALS or they must recognize that we're NOT and be subjected to any outcome of said realization ... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Paraquat on 04/26/16 at 11:05:31 3A313C3829373C2E3B6B6D590 wrote:
Not more. Less. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 11:42:37 conditional equality I don't know what that means. It's a math term,but I don't understand its use as a societal yardstick. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Doug B on 04/26/16 at 14:45:02 When I first heard this North Carolina stuff on the news my thought was : whatever plumbing you were born with - use that bathroom. Then I thought - if you've had surgical changes - then use that bathroom. Maybe I need to evolve with the times. If most guys(at least the ones I've known) saw a "female" walk into the men's room they'd stare, or say something like "lady, what in the hell are you doing in here" ? They would not feel threatened. If most women saw a "male" walk into the lady's restroom - many would feel threatened(or very uncomfortable). |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 16:54:04 If it's feminine looking enough to get in and out of the women's room, go there. If it's too feminine to get in and out of the men's, don't. If it looks like a linebacker in a dress, shouldn't have worn the dress. It's not difficult. It's BEEN going on, bet on it. As easily as people call Inappropriate on everyone else's behavior, why not Just shut up, leave people alone, Don't Be inappropriate. Don't walk in the mens room ij a dress. Don't look like a dude in a dress anywhere. Why are people wasting time on a non issue? Where have they been going? Why is that not working? Am I supposed to believe that Longview Texas doesn't have any? And yet, I have never been anywhere where I saw anyone in the Wrong restroom. Maybe I have just been lucky. The picture Bot posted? Pretty face, nice build, got no business in the mens room. Maybe Saturday morning, before the make-up and falsies.. Who knows, maybe those are permanent. And, Anyone who is actually developing a second set of reproductive organs is in need of some understanding. What a nightmare that would be. We are living in a world of toxins. Hormone mimickers are everywhere. BPA is even in the thermal paper, like the receipt that turns black if you leave it on the dash in the car. I'm willing to be reasonable. DO NOT go stomping into either restroom and treat the people in there as Conquered and Rightfully Invaded. If you Don't belong Don't go. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Spiff on 04/28/16 at 11:54:22 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
No, it's all about respect for the human condition, and about non-discrimination. Something the Left feels more strongly about than the Right, apparently. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/16 at 15:47:08 You wouldn't come across as horribly uninformed about how we think if you would read what we are saying. Im sensitive to the human condition, very much so. I'm angry about the hormone mimicking chemicals that have damaged so many people. If you go back and read what I have said in this thread, then you can have an idea. Don't just grab one piece of everything I have said and pretend that is sufficient to sum it all up. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/11/16 at 10:36:14 This may stray from your topic/point a little but...As a woman who has used both the womens and the mens room (because the line in the womens room was long and I REALLY had to go) I don't really care (and the men in the mens room didn't seem to mind as they laughed when I apologized while covering my eyes and ran into the stall while explaining why I was in there). If you gotta go, then go! If a man or a woman who looks like a man or a trans person OR A ONE EYED ONE HORNED FLYING PURPLE PEOPLE EATER came into the ladies room I could care less. As long as they aren't peaking through the crack in the door stall, or underneath or above...or trying to eat me ;) The whole conversation (not here) about people being afraid of predators attacking women and children is completely ridiculous. A bathroom label is not going to make it any less safe than it already is. If a predator wants to prey on someone he or she will find a way to do so regardless of a bathroom label. Do people really think that people aren't attacked in bathrooms as is? Ignorance is bliss I suppose... Everybody poops...and pees http://i68.tinypic.com/23jvh3.jpg |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Serowbot on 05/11/16 at 12:01:18 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
That's where you are wrong. This law is from a Conservative state, with Conservative lawmakers,.. and this law is pandering to their homophobic constituency... Forcing square pegs into round holes... (pardon that visual)... ;D Things were just fine before,... If you believe in less intrusive government,... let's keep them out of people's bathrooms and sexuality. Where you're right is,... if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it should use the duck bathroom... ... and given the choice, I'm sure it will... Nobody's really comfortable in a public restroom anyway... :-? |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by WebsterMark on 05/11/16 at 18:58:39 The whole conversation (not here) about people being afraid of predators attacking women and children is completely ridiculous. A bathroom label is not going to make it any less safe than it already is. Oh yea? If you don't think some creep won't take advantage of this, you're foolish. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/16 at 20:28:00 Well, considering the law, as written, makes dudes in a dress use the men's room, please explain how this plays into a pervs hand. I don't know exactly what to think. It's frikken sad that so many are so screwed up with sexual orientation. I believe that the toxins in our environment are playing a role in it all. But exactly where does a human being with a thingy, nice boobs, pretty face, nice dress, out on a date with someone who is able to accept everything as it i s, go? I'm not about causing people more emotional discomfort. Life offers large plates full of that, all the time. If it LOOKS enough like a woman to get in and out of the women's room and ca u se a panic, fine. A linebacker in a dress? Go home. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Serowbot on 05/11/16 at 22:38:51 I like that answer, JOG.... ::) If it's about preventing molestation,... to which bathroom are you sending Dennis Hastert?... Snarky point here is,... what do you think a sexual predator looks like?... :-? http://www.niu.edu/polisci/about/programhighlights/images/hastert.jpg |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/16 at 05:38:01 Evil hides behind cloak of authority very well. People grow up with dullards who are cruel and bully people around and conclude at a subconscious level that creeps are inherently losers, that the rich and powerful are good, WRONG. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by WebsterMark on 05/12/16 at 06:11:24 You guys are not grasping this. When Row v Wade became law, no one imagined where we would be today with partial birth abortion, abortions to determine sex, and of course Planned Parenthood doctors making jokes about selling baby parts so they could buy convertibles. But that's where we are. You don't have to look like a woman to go into a woman's restroom, or locker room at the gym according to these laws. All you have to do is self identified whatever gender you desire. Whatever gender you happen to be feeling that night apparently. If you're a 15-year-old high school boy, call yourself a girl and go into their locker room or hang out in the changing room at target and snap pictures of little girls in the room next to you, which happened recently. That's where this will end up. That's what always ends up here in United States. We carry The ramifications of these laws as far as they can possibly go which is why my example of abortion is so meaningful. this is just another brick in the wall between completely eliminating the idea of male female gender differences. maybe you are correct Jog, maybe there some chemical thing going around but I think more likely it's just mankind's inherent nature to wander being less restricted by cultural norms. just like we accept abortion on demand now, we'll accept little girls being molested and pictures flooding the Internet from time to time. That will just be part of "freedom". All this to accommodate a tiny, tiny fraction of society who happens to be a pawn in another battle between left and right. Like the plight of American blacks,, the left really doesn't give a darn about these people they do however want to use them to inflict damage on the right. by the way, instead of a picture of Dennis faster, you should put up a picture of Woody Alan or Bill Clinton.... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/16 at 06:30:54 Mark, the law says Birth certificate says you're a boy, go to the men's room. Doesn't matter if you're drop dead gorgeous and LOOK like a woman. If you look like a lumberjack, need a shave and Don't have a dikk, you gotta go to the women's room. That's stupid. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/12/16 at 07:57:49 " 744641505746516E425148230 wrote:
If you don't think some priest/ teacher/ coach/ parent/ any other authority figure/ or any predator (as they come in all shapes, forms, sizes, and colors) hasn't taken advantage of women/ children/ and MEN then you are foolish. PREDATORS find ways to be monsters regardless. I'm not saying some "creep" wont take advantage of this, but I am saying some "creep" will find a way to do his or her dirt regardless of this. As far as locker rooms are concerned I've never understood why people change in front of each other anyway... I prefer my privacy when changing. And you say changing rooms like they are communal...they aren't, they are basically over sized bathroom stalls. If that happened I am so sorry for that poor girl, but you seem to be missing the fact that WOMEN CAN BE PREDATORS AS WELL. A woman could have just as well taken those photos of that poor child. Predators are scumbags and deserve horrible, terrible things done to them as far as I am concerned, BUT gender neutral bathrooms are not going to make or break them... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Paraquat on 05/12/16 at 11:12:28 15263E3122297E77470 wrote:
THANK YOU. I knew I wasn't the only one. Someone on another forum posted an interesting though. He asked if a 16 year old can identify as a 21 year old and buy alcohol. I always was mature for my age. Or if a 40 year old can identify as a 75 year old and collect social security. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/12/16 at 12:53:58 "Someone on another forum posted an interesting though. He asked if a 16 year old can identify as a 21 year old and buy alcohol. I always was mature for my age. Or if a 40 year old can identify as a 75 year old and collect social security. --Steve" Those are some interesting points that I will need to ponder upon... I do always remember my grandfather telling restaurants and movie theaters that him and my grandmother were older than they were so he could get the senior discount, she would always yell at him about it and say "I AM NOT A SENIOR" ;D Again, I have not given much thought to "age identification" but I have to think that the amount of years you have been alive vs. how old you "feel" vs. gender identity are on very different playing fields. But you may have a point there... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by WebsterMark on 05/13/16 at 05:20:23 6657445747435742360 wrote:
THANK YOU. I knew I wasn't the only one. Someone on another forum posted an interesting though. He asked if a 16 year old can identify as a 21 year old and buy alcohol. I always was mature for my age. Or if a 40 year old can identify as a 75 year old and collect social security. --Steve[/quote] Too darn bad Steve. If you're in your local gym and some woman comes and says she identifies as a man, she can drop her smelly spandex wherever "he" wants. Oh, and if you have. 13 year old girl in high school and some boy says he's a girl, guess what, it's schlongs and hairy a$$ time in the locker room. If your little girl's got a problem with that, she'll be the one sent to the "alternative" lockerroom. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/13/16 at 07:38:37 Well, if it has a schlong and says it's just a girl, trapped in a mans body, it better not get excited and hard, might just get both heads stomped on. The girls need to unite, because one standing up for their rights will get Hate Crimed by the authorities, but if every girl in school said no, then they will be forced to back off. And they Can say no, I know I wouldn't shower if I was uncomfortable like that, stink all day, so what? Can you imagine being in a locker room full of girls who hate your guts and you're gonna get naked? Bloddy hell,, they should let him get naked, drag him in the shower, soap him up and throw him out in the gym. I can see it now.. soapy wet ass sliding across that floor.. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/13/16 at 08:09:44 A. When I was in school not so long ago, we had locker rooms to change in for gym. There were no showers, and no option to take a shower. While changing for gym no one was ever completely naked. B. You say these things like it is just going to be so easy. Like one day a boy can just come to school, joke around with his buddies and say he's a girl for the day just so he can see the girls in the locker room, without getting in trouble. I can guarantee any boy or girl who tried to pull this move would get into deep trouble. The man/boy and or woman/girl will have to show some sort of consistency when it comes to being in schools locker rooms and bathrooms I'm sure. It's not a day by day flip flop choice to get your rocks off. Just because a woman can walk into the men's locker room because she trans and "he" can drop his smelly spandex wherever he wants DOESN'T mean he will. If anything he will probably feel the need to be a little more private, since closed minded people might freak out. We are all human. We all bleed red. Who cares what your plumbing is or isn't? According to everything I've read from you in this thread Mark, to me it sounds like it's about time to stop teaching our boys to objectify females. Apparently that is the entire issue here. Why don't we teach our children compassion for those who are different from us and respecting each others boundaries. If we teach these children to love each other instead of fearing what's different maybe these conversations wouldn't happening. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Paraquat on 05/13/16 at 09:23:21 00332B24373C6B62520 wrote:
Stop it. I know you girls practiced making out and compared breast sizes. It's all we talked about in high school. Your last point, though, reminds me of a podcast I just caught regarding "rape culture". The topic was an article where, if I can remember, a woman wanted to join a fraternity of ~100 men and someone up top said she was going to get raped. One of the hosts commented, asking why this was the norm. Shouldn't we be teaching men not to rape versus teaching women they will become a victim. Rape culture deserves its own thread rather than briefly brushing along the "objectifying females" and "respecting each other" paragraph though. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/13/16 at 09:38:01 100% hit the nail on the head there Steve! |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by WebsterMark on 05/13/16 at 10:28:19 The man/boy and or woman/girl will have to show some sort of consistency when it comes to being in schools locker rooms and bathrooms I'm sure. It's not a day by day flip flop choice to get your rocks off. Where have you been living for the past decade? ..... Your point about "some sort of consistency" makes logical sense, which of course means it will be completely ignored when push comes to shove. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by WebsterMark on 05/13/16 at 10:41:45 We are all human. We all bleed red. Who cares what your plumbing is or isn't? According to everything I've read from you in this thread Mark, to me it sounds like it's about time to stop teaching our boys to objectify females. Apparently that is the entire issue here. Why don't we teach our children compassion for those who are different from us and respecting each others boundaries. If we teach these children to love each other instead of fearing what's different maybe these conversations wouldn't happening. well let's just all get in a circle and have a great big f'ing group hug... I don't know why you guys can't grasp of us. Predators will use this as an opportunity to attack little boys and girls. It will happen, it's not a question of IF it will happen it will happen. It happens now and all this is going to do is make it easier for them. This is just like the illegal immigration argument. What the hell harm can it cause by letting a few people across the border illegally?..... Today here in St. Louis an illegal immigrant who murdered five, including a man who died defending his wife's life, was back in court today. He crossed the border three or four times. What the hell, he's just trying to make a better life for his family, right? .....I mean let's give him a drivers license, let him vote and go ahead and give him in-state tuition at local universities. So, in the very near future, some pervert dresses up as a girl and goes into the target changing room and bathrooms. You look at him and you can tell he's kind of weird but you don't want to say anything. Because he's just self identifying as a woman. what's the harm in that? So he snaps some pictures, maybe he touches a couple girls, but what the heck it's no big deal.....right? I mean we have to make accommodations for them. it's a small price to pay so .003% of the population can pi$$ wherever they want. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/13/16 at 12:16:43 Whoa whoa whoa Mark, I think you need to take a deep breathe and ACTUALLY read my previous comments...process them and understand them... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by WebsterMark on 05/13/16 at 12:34:23 Magua said; I understand English very well. |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by Rayven on 05/16/16 at 08:24:53 You can lead a horse to water... |
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Title: Re: Logic rarely works Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/16/16 at 11:09:41 Yeah, you might be ahead to back this one in. |
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