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Message started by Paraquat on 04/26/16 at 09:27:02

Title: What does JoG make of this?
Post by Paraquat on 04/26/16 at 09:27:02

I have a friend who studies ammunition.

He alleges that the Us is supplying Soviet Allies with STG44's. There appear to have been roughly 5000 chambered in "7.92 short".
This cartridge, he claims, has been unavailable for 70 some odd years. Yet ISIS has, and is using, this cartridge. He believes if this were original 1942 era manufacture ammunition that the powder would not have stayed stable in the desert. He suspects it is being currently produced in Serbia.

I haven't had time to investigate any of these claims. My lunch break draws to a close but I thought I'd throw that info out there and see if anything pops up.

--Steve

Title: Re: What does JoG make of this?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 09:41:06

This cartridge, he claims, has been unavailable for 70 some odd years. Yet ISIS has, and is using, this

I'm curious about what weapons spit that slug. It's pretty rare to see weapons made for ammo that is not available. It's not reasonable. Something there doesn't add up.

Okay, I went looking. Someone knows zero about ammunition.

Aside from .22 caliber,maybe the most common bullet.
SKS and AK 47 shoot the same bullet. Available everywhere where ammunition is sold.
Cheaper than Dirt , Dallas. Look up the website.

StG 44 in 5.56 and 7.62x39 On The Way - The Firearm Blog
www.thefirearmblog.com › 2015/06/24
Jun 24, 2015 - The StG 44, or the Sturmgewehr

7.62X 39

Title: Re: What does JoG make of this?
Post by Paraquat on 04/26/16 at 10:59:05

7.62x39 =/= 7.92 short

That's the odd part. Why manufacture a firearm for an obsolete caliber. Unless you're creating the demand and just so happen to be the only manufacturer.

--Steve

Title: Re: What does JoG make of this?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 11:14:23

C'mon, dude,
Aside from .22 caliber,maybe the most common bullet.
SKS and AK 47 shoot the same bullet. Available everywhere where ammunition is sold.
Cheaper than Dirt , Dallas. Look up the website.

7.62x39. Available about everywhere

AK-47 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wikipedia › wiki › AK-47
The AK-47 is a selective-fire (semi-automatic and automatic), gas-operated 7.62× 39mm assault rifle, developed

Read the last line
The SKS is a Soviet semi-automatic carbine chambered for the 7.62×39mm round, designed in 1943 by Sergei ...
Barrel length[ch8206]: [ch8206]520 mm (20 in), M59/66: 558.8 mm (22.00 in)[ch8206]
Length[ch8206]: [ch8206]1,020 mm (40 in), M59/66: 1,120 mm (44 in)[ch8206]
Effective firing range[ch8206]: [ch8206]400 metres (440 yd)[ch8206]
Place of origin[ch8206]: [ch8206]Soviet Union[ch8206]
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Title: Re: What does JoG make of this?
Post by DesertRat on 04/26/16 at 11:33:10

slow down gangsters ...

7.92x33

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Misc/7.92x33mm%20Kurz.html

Quote:

Firearms for the 7.92x33mm

Prior to the development of the Kurz round and its associated weapons, two basic small arms existed to equip the regular infantry rifleman. The battle rifle (a bolt-action rifle in most armies of the time) was the standard small arm, usually incorporating good accuracy and stopping power, but with a very limited rate of fire. The submachine gun was a newer piece of equipment, which offered a very high rate of fire, and a compact size, but was of very limited range and stopping power due to the pistol round (usually 9mm) it fired. While the Kurz round did not match the range and accuracy of a traditional bolt-action rifle, it more than made up for it in the volume of fire available over the ranges most likely to see infantry combat, and had the stopping power to be deadly. As an effective, intermediate-sized cartridge, the Kurz round was a key evolution in the development of the assault rifle.

Only a few weapons used this round, among them being the Sturmgewehr 44, Sturmgewehr 45 and Volkssturmgewehr 1-5; and a number of German prototype weapons made during the World War II and a small number of prototype weapons made in other countries after the war.

After World War II, the cartridge was tested and used in prototype rifles in Argentina and Belgium, amongst other nations, during the late 1940s and early 1950s. The first FN FAL prototype was designed to fire the 7.92mm Kurz. After the war the 7.92 Kurz cartridge was manufactured by the GDR, ?SSR, and Egypt.

Demand for the ammunition still exists, as the StG 44 is still in use by some within the Lebanese Forces militia,[3] as well as irregular forces in some countries in the Horn of Africa and the Middle East. 7.92 Kurz ammunition is currently manufactured by the Prvi Partizan factory in Užice, Serbia.

Title: Re: What does JoG make of this?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 11:35:37

StG 44 in 5.56 and 7.62x39 On The Way - The Firearm Blog
www.thefirearmblog.com › 2015/06/24
Jun 24, 2015 - The StG 44, or the Sturmgewehr 44, introduced in 1943 was the first modern assault rifle. It's a rifle ...

7.62x39