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Title: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/11/16 at 05:17:14 I have shared with you all I work for a major commercial aircraft builder. It (commercial aviation) was once dominated by US companies and that gave them a lot of control in building and marketing. Not so anymore. The market grows more daily into a global enflunced dictate. If we stop and give pause to the product, is it wise to base the cost factor, as in cheaper, more competitive, less to consumer, more marketabilty, as a driving force in production? Can you compromise things to a point where the assumed risk has risen? A 36,000 feet above sea level, is this a place you want to ponder and prove your theory? Failure has grave consequences for sure! I believe we reach a point where morality in compromised in favor of commerce and profit. To compete we must ask all, from manufacturing to supply chain, to reduce cost. Is that the deciding factor? Do we get people that are willing to compromise integrity for profitability? I see those quagmire extending across our social landscape as well. Can you? I will use the transgender restroom issue as an example. Yes, I believe folks really are gender challenged, and it is a life obstacle for them, but..... Do I have the right to demand others bend to my life hurdles in order to make my life more livable? Should I accept my life challenges as they are and try and make the best of them, or demand that my life, beliefs, preference is paramount? |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by Paraquat on 05/11/16 at 06:26:34 This sounds so leading... but I'll bite. I work in aerospace also. I've seen videos from the big dogs. They are cold and lifeless when they utter phrases such as "loss of life", but you can hear where the true concern is: the dollar. Ever watch Fight Club? Quote:
It's a dollar exchange. They'd sell you out in a heartbeat. If the cost of the payout exceeded how much they could fleece you for a ride across the country, they would be in the cab company. Save those you can and move on. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/11/16 at 07:54:46 Steve, great points. Our legal system is based on a monetary fix. We can never undo or make whole. Funny in a sad way, but at its root, captilism is the worship of money, the very element needed, or one/two punch, of power. But by it's very nature, morality should be beyond its grasp, that is, IF it was not bending to whim, and popularity, but a constant absolute.... |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/11/16 at 09:30:28 I will always remember a statement made by John Glenn. When interviewed after his historic first orbital mission, by Walter Cronkite, Walter asked Glenn what thoughts were going thru his head right before blast off. Glen replied that he was thinking that every single part of the entire contraption was made by the lowest government bidder. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/16 at 15:40:10 Doing a tune up on a Detroit Diesel. The intake plumbing has to be removed to access the governor. We picked up rags and everything else that could be sucked into the turbocharger. A thirty dollar guard fits on the turbocharger, for the safety of the mechanic. The company I worked for, the company that had a Safety Officer Safety Meetings every coupla weeks. We had safety meetings on the importance of using wheel chocks on fifty thousand pound trucks, with brakes set and parked in gear, but not ONE meeting with the dangers of an unshielded turbocharger. I lost a finger in one, And sued GM And they, rather than strap a guard on every engine, they put back about a sack of money for the occasional lawsuit. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/11/16 at 16:07:35 Ok, I was hoping to keep this on track. How does morality fit in the scheme of things? Is it a safeguard or? Do you guys understand how I think they are intertwined? |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by pg on 05/11/16 at 16:38:02 How does morality fit in the scheme of things? For the overwhelming majority of our population it means absolutely nothing. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/11/16 at 17:20:38 1205030F0010620 wrote:
Hhhmmmm..... OK, what is right, and what is wrong.....and why? |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/16 at 19:52:02 Depends on who you ask and what the topic is. If everyone had the same moral compass society wouldn't be embroiled in idiotic SJW cause after cause. Wars wouldn't be, madmen wouldn't lure people to their deaths. Priests wouldn't molest little boys. Jerry Sandusky wouldn't have operated for decades. Do you understand that there are people in this world who look normal, have good jobs, everything about them Appears above reproach, but they absolutely Delight in sadism? Evil is real. And horrifically evil people can be very wealthy and successful. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/11/16 at 20:12:14 Yes Jog, I understand that. I believe some, for whatever reason, have some really screwed up thoughts. Do all act upon those thoughts, or do they find a way to overcome those impulses? I mean I have thoughts that I would never act upon.... I know it would be wrong from what I was taught. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/16 at 20:19:15 You needed to be taught? You don't have your own heart? Maybe that's why so many are unable to understand that some actually have original thought. I was complaining about a teacher to my dad. He said Do you think you're smarter than the teacher? Took a while to see that answer, but if no student ever outshines the teachers, society cant progress. My dad wanted to buy a bar and let me take the bets. Yeah, I p assed. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by pg on 05/12/16 at 03:23:14 27342C31342232550 wrote:
Hhhmmmm..... OK, what is right, and what is wrong.....and why? [/quote] Without guidelines and I dare say spiritual beliefs any interpretation can be made. However, what I observe everyday and it is becoming more prevalent is a people make self centered, self serving, decisions without reservation or empathy. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/12/16 at 03:49:03 1205030F0010620 wrote:
Hhhmmmm..... OK, what is right, and what is wrong.....and why? [/quote] Without guidelines and I dare say spiritual beliefs any interpretation can be made. However, what I observe everyday and it is becoming more prevalent is a people make self centered, self serving, decisions without reservation or empathy. Best regards,[/quote] Yes, I like your answer, but do some lack the capacity for empathy? Where and who established those guidelines? Who "interprets" or sets perimeters to spiritual beliefs? I think that avenue of morality was a concern for the founders, do you? |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/12/16 at 05:14:10 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Well Jog, by your own testimony you seem above most in grasping the riddles of life ;D But yes, I was taught, I was directed by a word or picture on a door/wall, that told me what restroom to use. I had a sign and directory that showed me I bought my clothes, or shoes, or, in the boys/men's department at store/mall. I was told boy scouts and Girl Scouts were for boys, and girls, based on my sex, not my desire. Shall I go on with examples? Let's get back to the question. We know Bot is scared of restrooms, he didn't say why.... Could be a conservative one stall over playing footies???? Anyway, what about those girls in the locker room/gym showers who don't want an altered man in there with them? Who do we yield to in this issue, we can't satisfy both? What do we default to in reasoning our decision? |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/16 at 05:17:39 but do some lack the capacity for empathy? Absolutely! Do you think the people who get rich from war toss and turn at night? They don't CARE about the suffering they cause. You think Jeffrey Dahmer had pangs of conscience? Look up sociopath and psychopath. I had to, because I had someone in my life who could stand and proclaim love for us all, as he stole our property. Evil exists. Not everyone has a voice inside saying, you shouldn't do that. If you can watch Americas Funniest and think it's funny, either you've never been hurt and just don't understand, or your empathy is lacking. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by Paraquat on 05/12/16 at 06:11:05 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
I have my own morals and scruples. I live by my own code. There are areas that would veer outside the governance of man, but I guess that's where the laws on the books come in. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/16 at 06:23:57 Yeah, I have a concept of justice that could conflict with what is written in places. Don't forget, some of those laws were written by some lowlife scum. I'd be telling bankers that,not only do we not owe them, but we're taking what they stole, and exiling all of them to an island, where they can design their laws and screw each other over all they want. You guys really should take the time to discover the names of the men who were at the meeting on Jekyll Island. They went there using cloak and dagger means, hiding their identities. And what did Ford say? And how many people actually understand? I think there is me and one other person on this board who knows. Nothing would change the direction of America further or faster than for this one thing to be understood. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by DesertRat on 05/13/16 at 22:12:33 the further along I got in my business degree, the more I realized that morality and ethics had no place in capitalism/business ... :( interesting side note- Imagine if America was a dictatorship. You could let 1% of the people have all the nation's wealth. You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their taxes. And bailing them out when they gamble and lose. You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care and education. Your media would appear free, but would secretly be controlled by one person and his family. You could wiretap phones. You could torture foreign prisoners. You could have rigged elections. You could lie about why you go to war. You could fill your prisons with one particular racial group, and no one would complain. You could use the media to scare the people into supporting policies that are against their interests. now THINK about who comprises the majority of above statement and THEIR moral position ... another side note - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_crime |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by raydawg on 05/14/16 at 07:44:30 the further along I got in my business degree, the more I realized that morality and ethics had no place in capitalism/business ... Yes, that is exactly my point to the original post/thread. Rat, consider this observation, by my son, who has a MB in business and advertising and has ran some major campaigns for some big names. I must brag here a moment, sorry.... He has won some of those awards the industry awards yearly, at a gathering of black tie affair stuff :) Anyway, he said something to me, that sorta went like this..... Man by his very nature, his very core, is tribal. It appears today as confrontation and fragmentary, to society. Professional sport fans is a great example. You must wear the apparel to be part of that tribe. You go to the stadium on game day, a lot of others are in different apparel of another team. Some tribe members will resort to this primordial behavior, and confrontation ensues...... We have seen this thinking/behavior accelerate, as it permeates all facets of our society. What is the driving force behind this? Simple, business has capitalized on a very primitive, and distinct trait, of man, and discarded morality in order to do so..... As money has become the universal god, and absolute. Does that make any sense to you Rat? Isn't the phrase, "Truth in advertising an oxymoron" ? We have a cabinet position, for the president, that is nothing more than a "spin doctor"..... Why, is the truth not good enough anymore? The media is no longer about the original intention of journalistic integrity, no.... It's to make money, lots of it, and to factor,and create news, that's to ensure it flows, a news stream, into their accounts. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/16 at 14:57:50 Yes, Ray, it's corrupt. The president is either a willing puppet, happy to aid in the demolishing of what America was supposed to be, or, he gets shot.. Who is too young to remember the news coverage of Nam? Now, the people who Would be protesting war are supporting it, because Now, the puppet is a democrat... ooopsies. Our education system is ruined. Our food and water are toxic. Life expectancy is dropping. Chronic illness is increasing. And easy as it would be to blame it all on greed, it goes deeper. Useful idiots, greed, sure, plenty to go around. Ignorance of what is driving so much of it? Want Truth? I've thrown plenty out to chew on. |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by DesertRat on 05/14/16 at 16:43:26 Justin, you state it goes deeper than greed ... how so? and what is driving it? WHO is driving it? |
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Title: Re: Compromised morality...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/16 at 18:40:46 Good questions, Start with the things I said today. The invasions. The lies. Who was it for? Did you read what Smedley Buttler said? Was he an idiot? Have you bothered to educate yourself on the Federal Reserve? Was Henry Ford an idiot? I wonder why anyone would go to the expense of building the Georgia Guidestones and keep who paid for it secret. And the food and water grow increasingly toxic. Sure, the rich are getting richer, why not rob your victims as you kill them. |
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