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Title: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/03/16 at 14:21:21 At this stage of the game, if I had to choose the next president, I would take Obama over the other two options :o Maybe this was his plan all along ;D |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/03/16 at 15:20:42 Considering that this is a largely Conservative group here,.. Trump's support seems very weak... Elizabeth Warren should run Independent and steal the whole show... ;D Trump's slogan?... "Make America Great Again"?... Sure,.. he'll fix everything... ::) http://www.lonelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trump-the-loser.png |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/03/16 at 18:19:38 No, Liz can't win, even against these two whacks.... I hope Biden runs, even tho he is part of the establishment, per se, he is very likable and humble, as he even laughs at his own butchered answers, etc. I hope the republicans wise up and draft Kashich, and letTrump run off in a fit..... We need a middle of the road presidents to heal the rift |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by oldNslow on 06/03/16 at 19:15:41 raydawg wrote: Quote:
Not going to happen. Possibly not ever. There is no longer enough common ground, common sense, or common decency for that to happen. The future is Balkanization. This country is devolving into warring tribes. If you are not already thinking about which one you belong to, and will go to the wall for, you are already behind the curve. I'm not going to pretend I'm happy about this, but there it is. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/16 at 20:00:42 What Rift needs healed? The one where the D.C.occupiers have passed trade agreements, loaded thousands of regulations that cost corpoate America billions? The PEOPLE are being Screwed.. We are the World's Leading Arms dealership... Now, IF you sell something that is used for war, then you HAVE a VESTED interest in Conflict. Is that Really what we want to be? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/03/16 at 20:26:25 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Well I'm not sure...... Is that the BangBang Tribe or BoomBoom? [ch128523] Jog, to think these inept politicos can design and carry out such a designed scheme is beyond my faith, sorry... But you have fun thinking all these reactionary personalities can cooperate with each other to the great detriment of all..... Ja old slowster, tribal mentality has always held persuasion over many, but I always see it as a pendulum swings.... And she is about ready to swing the opposite way for a spell ;) |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Radical Maximus on 06/03/16 at 20:35:25 My 2 cents on the subject... It really shames me to say it but this may turn out to be the first election I don't vote in. Quite honestly, all the possible options just turn my stomach. Trump is basically a snake oil salesman, he will tell anyone whatever they want to hear. Hillary is a classic politician and though I liked Bill, their days are over, it is a whole new world. The Left is pushing things society isn't ready for and the Right isn't willing to give any ground where people are ready to progress to, and neither side is willing to compromise. So, in order to stop trump, who I view as dangerous, I would have to vote for Hillary, who I don't like at all, and thus be responsible for all her stupid stuff. I don't think Bernie will make the ballot. He started out OK but he is getting a little wack since he got popular. Just the fact that this is the best we can come up with just makes me really, really sad. :( Note: I have pretty much voted for an even mix of Dem and Rep, I view myself as a Moderate Progressive Libertarian :) |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/16 at 20:42:19 Ray, you're ignoring what I said. I Never said anything about politicians Designing it. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/03/16 at 22:02:25 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Who is they then? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/03/16 at 22:11:58 They are the Chrono-Synclastic Infundibulum... :-? Welcome Rad,... to the TT torture chamber... I get it... the Lib's push too hard, the Con's resist too much... ... but,.. the river only runs one way... You can fight the current,... but ultimately, you can't win. I don't agree with every change,.. but I know not to fight the current... I'll pick the pilot that knows the river... Not the nut that thinks barriers can hold back the tide... :-? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/16 at 05:07:58 Not the nut that thinks barriers can hold back the tide... :-? It just blows my mind when I hear variations of that phrase and like-minded idiots think the speaker is so wise...... please... Everyone one of you morons who sit there and nod thoughtfully when you hear that phrase sleep behind lock doors, drive cars you lock up or park in garages in fenced yards. The latest dumb$hit to utter that phrase, our ashamed of her country first lady, has lived the past 8 years behind barriers and wouldn't have it any other way! We have barriers everywhere. Look around today and see all the "barriers" that channnel us one way or another, divide us or just flat out prevent entry. You wouldn't have that any other way either. Of course a wall works. It's not even a discussion if it will dramatically cut down on the flow of illegal immigrants or not. West and East Germany were kept apart by a wall, North and South Korea for the longest time were seperated by a mine field. Prisons have walls..... Now if you want to argue it's not necessary, if you want to argue 50 years from now you don't want someone else to point out the only way the US survived was by building a wall and have us included in that group with Korea and Germany, that's a serious topic worth a discussion, but don't look stupid by saying it won't help. You just end up looking loke those POS Trump protesters throwing eggs at defenseless woman. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/16 at 05:25:40 The Left is pushing things society isn't ready for and the Right isn't willing to give any ground where people are ready to progress to, and neither side is willing to compromise. Two points Rad 1) Why is left leaning change automatically assigned the phrase "progress"? You don't make dramatic changes in your own life very often, in fact, you probably carefully consider the ramifications of "hope and change" before you alter your previous choices and more often than not, you don't "change". Change for the sake of change rarely turns out good. Just exactly where has this "progress" brought us to? Are you going to celebrate a pervert calling himself a girl and going into female dressing rooms? That's progress? Massive cradle-to-grave bankrupting entitlements is progress? A federal minimum wage that will throw hundreds of thousands out of work (Congressional interns exempted of course), a healthcare system that's forcing working class into the ranks of uninsured while the 94 million not in the workforce rake in part of my tax contribution? You mean that progress? 2) The right always ends up comprising, the left rarely or never does. The left sits on a tiny moral foundation so its not an issue to them. Once you have a stated position a woman with an unborn child can kill it at anytime and for any reason and now the killers can make even more money off that death by selling the parts, tell just exactly what it is that the left finds so dehumanizing that they won't go there? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Garry on 06/04/16 at 06:06:39 The left has no moral compass. Simple. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by oldNslow on 06/04/16 at 06:12:08 Web wrote: Quote:
Pretty soon we will all be living behind walls of one sort or another. The very affluent and the movers and shakers already do. Eventually that will trickle down to everyone who expects to survive what's coming down the pike. The results of the next election, or the next, aren't going to change that. The real choice is this: stick yer head in the sand and pretend everything's gonna be ok if you pick the right bossman, or use that sand to make cement to hold the blocks together for your own personal wall. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/16 at 06:22:05 Pretty soon we will all be living behind walls of one sort or another. The very affluent and the movers and shakers already do My point oldnslow is that you already live behind and in fact, embrace walls. The affluent have bigger and more of them, but just like you, they wall themselves off as best they can from threats, just like you. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/04/16 at 06:45:29 Web, I must commend you Sir, very well presented arguments! I must ask those too, who choose context, but use wholesale, in thinking it proves reason to their POV. What do we call "Safe Zones" on campuses where freedom of thought and challenge to these ideas, should be welcomed? Again, I ask, what ever happened to sensibility and a idea, belief, that could stand on its own merit without propping up considerations or hiding within barriers? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/16 at 07:19:33 http://https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=javascript:%3B&ved=0ahUKEwiavO_kyI7NAhVNDlIKHY5GDgUQ_B0IIjAA&usg=AFQjCNEv0mLXuVwfcF9iWG7KEHYUg_QPHA Hoover dam, failing for over fifty years. Change we need, sure, but change to hurt America? It's not gonna Be made easy by Me. They are Importing Muslims. And they don't Like Christians. They KILL them, And faggots, too, but the Left says We Must PROVE we are blind to differences and So Inclusive that we will bring them in. Is anyone actually that crappity smackING stupid? When the news reports start rolling in, IF they will even allow the news out, about Muslims raping our women and helping us solve the transgender problem, I Still won't be seen as reasonable. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/04/16 at 07:25:00 I have a 6ft brick wall around my back yard... Twice a year, I have to go over it to clean around my water meter... If I can go over it with a 20lb weedwacker in hand, so can a criminal... I have deadbolts on my doors... if I call 911, they will come, knock,.. and if no answer they will bash the door open in 5 seconds. They do stop people and animals from just wandering in or cutting across my yard... ...but, safety and security?... Most bikes have a lock on the steering stem... it can be broken loose in 5 seconds too... The Berlin wall was 20 miles,... not 2,000... our entire military couldn't guard 2,000 miles... Nepalitano said it best,.. "Show me a 50ft wall, and I'll sow you a 51ft ladder... All you "like minded idiot, moron" Conservatives think you can fix things with bumper sticker slogans... "Build the Wall"... You'll need to guard a few 1,000 miles of coastline while your at it... Can you fathom the amount of resources and manpower it would take?... We'll need more immigration to man the guard towers... ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsPtfiQKT5I [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsPtfiQKT5I[/media] |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/16 at 07:35:34 When you're injured and got several wounds, you start with what hurts worse.Seal off where Most of the damage is coming in at. You people don't Want to be reasonable and pretend We aren't. The rule of 80/20, look it up. Solve 80%of the problem, Hey, I have an idea! . Lets Allow the border patrol agents to actually Do their JOBS,, I don't need a wall. I need the president to Stop ordering a stand down. How he even did it, idk. The absolute ignorance required to keep pretending it's about the bubs wanting cheap labor, but what about minimum wage? And For gods sake SOMEONE ANSWER THIS How much unemployment is necessary to be able to hire cheap labor? And, if the people who MAKE UP THE COUNTRY are too broke to buy your nuts, what Good is the cheapest labor? Am I the only one who Remembers the treaty illegally signed by Bush, Vicente Fox and the Canadian PM? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/04/16 at 08:25:36 243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:
I like a 99 cent burger as much as the next guy,.. but, I'll pay a $1.29 for one. We won't raise the minimum wage because it will hurt small business?... What does this tell you?... Small business is dependant on low wage employment. The very thing we are complaining about. Raising the minimum wage, not only helps minimum wage workers. ...a rising tide lifts all boats... The negative here,... can be lower valuation of the dollar, which hurts fixed income and savings. More dollars in circulation equals lower value to the currency. The way to offset this is to pull down the top income earners a bit. Top earners wages have increased four-fold while the rest of us have stagnated or declined... Income disparity is the root of the problem. JMHO... I have my shield held overhead,... let the arrows fly... ;D |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/16 at 08:38:17 6177607D65707D66120 wrote:
Well then Sew, I expect you to never lock your bike, car or front door then. Your feeble defense is nonsense, absolute nonsense. Barriers stop people. Everyone? No, of course not. Is that any reason not to? Do you think welfare helps everyone? No, but would you say well since it's not 100% effective, we shouldn't do it? Defending stupidity just makes you look stupid. Just say the truth, since Trump's pushing the idea, you have to be against it based soley on that. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/16 at 08:50:51 I like a 99 cent burger as much as the next guy,.. but, I'll pay a $1.29 for one. No, you won't. That's a fact, you won't. You say you will, and you'll support that for a while since you're basically paying to make a political statement, but in the end, just like you do now, price will factor into your decisions and you'll make adjustments that will cost jobs because millions of others will do the same. Increasing minimum wages to arbitrary amounts is one of best examples of the blind stupidity required to be a liberal. Here's my arrow aimed at you: you wish a policy produce the desired results, but you ignore the fact your own actions prove the outcome is never going to happen. But you push on and to hell with the damage you inflict. As long as you feel better about yourself. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/04/16 at 09:09:22 You havin' a bad day, Web?... ;D |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/04/16 at 10:14:48 2731263B23363B20540 wrote:
Huh????? Why, because he differs in belief than you? Why do you feel the need to assign a passive/aggressive remark to someone, does it help your argument or self esteem? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/16 at 10:32:59 4254435E46535E45310 wrote:
The point is we have millions of unemployed. And the Left pretend that the Reason why the border isn't protected is to ALLOW a source of cheap labor, and the Bubs demand that. How many unemployed people are needed to provide a pool to draw from in Order to Get cheap labor? That is a real question. I'll wait, then add. I like a 99 cent burger as much as the next guy,.. but, I'll pay a $1.29 for one. We won't raise the minimum wage because it will hurt small business?... What does this tell you?... Small business is dependant on low wage employment. The very thing we are complaining about. Raising the minimum wage, not only helps minimum wage workers. ...a rising tide lifts all boats... The negative here,... can be lower valuation of the dollar, which hurts fixed income and savings. More dollars in circulation equals lower value to the currency. The way to offset this is to pull down the top income earners a bit. Top earners wages have increased four-fold while the rest of us have stagnated or declined... Income disparity is the root of the problem. JMHO... I have my shield held overhead,... let the arrows fly... ;D [/quote] |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/04/16 at 11:35:07 46554D50554353340 wrote:
Huh????? Why, because he differs in belief than you? Why do you feel the need to assign a passive/aggressive remark to someone, does it help your argument or self esteem?[/quote] Why do you feel the need to butt in with your armchair psychology?... and accuse me of being passive/aggressive?... Isn't that rather passive/ aggressive of you?... :-/ I asked about Web,.. because he is usually more refined in his rebuttals... Today, he has included a series of "stupid, idiot, and moron" comments... I know him to be better than that... Maybe just watching too many Trump rally news clips... :-? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/16 at 11:41:21 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
Yep, this morning I was. Just work stuff spilling over. But, trip to couple motorcycle shops and bought a new reel for my travel rod that stores nicely on my bike and all is right with the world again. Time for some bike fishing. However, you're still wrong as you can be, that hasn't changed. Society does not really want McDonalds workers earning enough to live on. That's a disaster waiting to happen. These are transition jobs, not careers. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/04/16 at 11:49:56 7B6D7A677F6A677C080 wrote:
Huh????? Why, because he differs in belief than you? Why do you feel the need to assign a passive/aggressive remark to someone, does it help your argument or self esteem?[/quote] Why do you feel the need to butt in with your armchair psychology?... and accuse me of being passive/aggressive?... Isn't that rather passive/ aggressive of you?... :-/ I asked about Web,.. because he is usually more refined in his rebuttals... Today, he has included a series of "stupid, idiot, and moron" comments... I know him to be better than that... Maybe just watching too many Trump rally news clips... :-?[/quote] Nope, sorry you can't tell the diff. And it's not a butt hurt free zone yet, and if it posted its free game.... So anyway, you wait till your boat sinks then start bailing, if that works for you, great.... You can just call it a submarine :-* |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by oldNslow on 06/04/16 at 14:20:04 Heh While you guys were flingin' insults at one another I got another couple of rows of blocks up on my wall. Metaphorically speaking of course. I don't expect Trump OR Hillary to build it for me. :( |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/16 at 14:40:23 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
The point is we have millions of unemployed. And the Left pretend that the Reason why the border isn't protected is to ALLOW a source of cheap labor, and the Bubs demand that. How many unemployed people are needed to provide a pool to draw from in Order to Get cheap labor? That is a real question. I'll wait, then add. I like a 99 cent burger as much as the next guy,.. but, I'll pay a $1.29 for one. We won't raise the minimum wage because it will hurt small business?... What does this tell you?... Small business is dependant on low wage employment. The very thing we are complaining about. Raising the minimum wage, not only helps minimum wage workers. ...a rising tide lifts all boats... The negative here,... can be lower valuation of the dollar, which hurts fixed income and savings. More dollars in circulation equals lower value to the currency. The way to offset this is to pull down the top income earners a bit. Top earners wages have increased four-fold while the rest of us have stagnated or declined... Income disparity is the root of the problem. JMHO... I have my shield held overhead,... let the arrows fly... ;D [/quote] [/quote] |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/04/16 at 23:25:37 JOG?... is that just a quote without any comment?... |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/16 at 06:54:23 For gods sake SOMEONE ANSWER THIS How much unemployment is necessary to be able to hire cheap labor? And, if the people who MAKE UP THE COUNTRY are too broke to buy your nuts, what Good is the cheapest labor? The point is we have millions of unemployed. And the Left pretend that the Reason why the border isn't protected is to ALLOW a source of cheap labor, and the Bubs demand that. How many unemployed people are needed to provide a pool to draw from in Order to Get cheap labor? That is a real question. I'll wait, then add. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by oldNslow on 06/05/16 at 07:05:06 Look at the bright side JOG, Once we have a sufficient number of illegals willing to work for next to nothing, the manufacturing jobs can come back from overseas, "Made In America" stuff can be just as cheap and crappy as third world stuff is now - maybe even cheaper 'cause the transportation cost will be less. Win Win. Except Americans won't be able to buy any of that sh*t on account of they won't have jobs. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by raydawg on 06/05/16 at 07:22:36 Who needs cash? We will be driven back to communal living, tribes, as the BIG city mentality, and life style, will prove unsustainable. It is ripe with crime, graft, sin, corruption, pollution, energy depleting, disease, HUMONGOUS green footprint.....etc. But city folk look down on flyover people and proclaim their way of living and thinking is progressive ;D |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/05/16 at 07:26:53 Look,.. there will always be several million unemployed... Many of these are in transition, re-educating, seasonal, injured, family health or crisis, or just taking a break... Some, are having trouble finding suitable employment... and some don't want employment right now. ... but most American citizens aren't willing to take a minimum wage job... Maybe some kids working after school, or over the summer... and then the truly desperate... So,.. it's not any certain number of unemployed,... At this minimum wage level, it is the number of absolutely desperate... That said,... I think you already knew that,.. but you repeat a rhetorical question enough... I'm gonna' give you the answer you already know... ... just to stop the wailing... Can we move on now?... :-? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Radical Maximus on 06/05/16 at 15:50:38 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
Thanks for making my point, you are obviously on the right and and skew your venomous language and facts in that direction. I said nothing about the Transgender issue, nor any specific issue for that matter did I? The truth is the Right almost never compromises, they are usually forced there by court orders (e.g. desegregation) and even then try try to ignore or circumvent the orders (e.g. Gay marriage). Not all left ideas are progress, I love meat, drink beer and drive a gasoline vehicle. Again, not all left ideas are labeled progress, some are just Left Wing radicalism (Federal Student Lunch Program) just like the Right wing garbage. The left has to try and use court orders when society pushes back instead of social education initiatives. This is further evidenced by your use of abusive vitriol. A transgender is not automatically a pervert, they are a human that looks at the world from a different perspective than you do. I don't think any law will keep a pervert from acting like a pervert. I lean to a reasonable progressive stance (Not Left) and don't agree with the bathroom issue, I think a 3rd bathroom option (Trans, Confused.. small winky) is the only reasonable compromise presented, with the existing bathrooms being biology based. And FYI: There are no cradle-to-grave bankrupting entitlements, More right wing garbage talk. That ended with the Welfare reform act under Bill Clinton, 20 years ago+... get your poison in the right bottles Perverts, Killers... excitement words... Hundreds of thousands out of work? Where is the statistics from a neutral party? That happened under the watch or the Right if I remember correctly... I recall the Right taking a Budget that was Balanced through Left/Right negotiation in the late 90's and giving it all away in the form of Tax cuts to the rich in the early 2000's. As for progress, lets talk the environment, water is cleaner, air is cleaner, pesticide use is regulated. Society: Desegregation, Child Labor, Woman's Suffrage, cigarette smoking is on the decline... Many of these took Decades to implement and enough of society had to be ready for them in order for them to work. Some might still resist to this day but it would be a very small minority and most would agree that these things have made the USA better place. So, Left is Left, Right is Right, and Progress is Progress. Progress has been proposed under both Right and Left administrations and neither side gets to claim Progress exclusively. And to again state my point, which you have proved nicely, the extremism of the Left and the Rights and their inability to find middle ground is what is stratifying and destroying this country. Name calling and vitriol needs to be kept on the elementary school playground and issues need to be resolved using diplomatic discussion and with all parties viewpoints given weight. And this is something I don't think any of our current candidates are capable of. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Radical Maximus on 06/05/16 at 16:24:36 Hey, I have an idea! . Lets Allow the border patrol agents to actually Do their JOBS,, I don't need a wall. I need the president to Stop ordering a stand down. How he even did it, idk. The absolute ignorance required to keep pretending it's about the bubs wanting cheap labor, but what about minimum wage? And For gods sake SOMEONE ANSWER THIS How much unemployment is necessary to be able to hire cheap labor? And, if the people who MAKE UP THE COUNTRY are too broke to buy your nuts, what Good is the cheapest labor? Living in a southern border state I may be a little more tuned into the reality here, but the undeniable fact is that the border has always been very porous, with workers coming over for agriculture work then returning home afterward. Many families are equally spread out on both sides of the border as many lived spread across these areas long before it was US territory. It only became an "Illegal" problem because it was made illegal in the 20's/30's as part of the prohibition push because the "Evil Mexicans" smoked pot. Until that point, it was market forces driven, as many Mexicans came over that were needed, the rest couldn't find work and went home. Thus, the only ones here were legitimately needed. Now comes the government and makes it illegal, so it is harder to get into the country to get the work they WILL FIND if they make it here. They have to hide while here and they stay even if there is not work because it would be so hard to return. So, at the same time we are baiting them, and trying to punish them for taking the bait. The real solution is true immigration reform with a work permit system, and NOT a path to citizenship. Most don't want citizenship, they want money to feed their families. Let the farmers that want pickers apply for a permit for x number of laborers, Let the Mexican laborers apply for a permit to fill those jobs. To make the extremists happy require the Farmers to hire any Americans that apply first, require background checks for the workers, tax the wages paid just like american wages, PLUS say 5% (negotiable) to pay for the program and social cost. Make the Farmer pay a small administrative fee as well to cover costs since they are profiting as well. This will make it Easy for the workers to go back and forth, they wont have to hide or hang around between jobs. The farmers will give all the jobs to "legals" so there is no lure for "illegals". It wont cost the taxpayers anything. The Coyotes business will dry up, the labor crossings will be done legal so the border patrol's manpower can be focused on fighting the criminal elements. The problem is that several of the recent past administrations have proposed reform, but neither side will let the other party take credit for it so the minority will join with the anti extremists to shoot it down every time. Even bipartisan bills get roasted in all the disfunctionality. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by oldNslow on 06/05/16 at 19:39:43 Quote:
That may be the case where you hail from, and if the only thing that was going on was some Mexicans crossing back and forth to pick crops, there wouldn't really be an immigration problem. In my particular neck of the woods, while there are a small number of illegal agricultural workers, the vast majority of illegals are neither Mexican nor looking for farm work; in fact most of them aren't looking for any kind of work at all, they are here for NY State's very generous welfare programs. And they don't plan on leaving either. The immigration problem, legal and illegal is a he*l of a lot more complicated than just some Mexicans sneaking across the border to pick fruit. Quote:
You're right about that. Unfortunately it will never happen. This mess is not going to get fixed, not ever. The lunatics have been running the asylum for too long. Whichever of the two loons the equally looney voters pick for the next POTUS isn't going to be able to do anything about it either, even if either of them wanted too, which I'm pretty sure they don't. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/16 at 20:37:29 2335223F27323F24500 wrote:
No. We can't. The Left have claimed that the Reason why the border was not secure was because the bubs Wanted Cheap Labor. Deny that. Then we move on. To the Next Fact. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/05/16 at 22:29:45 I don't know if they're Rep's or Lib's,... but, many farmers want immigrant workers,... many restaurants too... many small businesses... ... not to mention, Trump has been had up for hiring illegals... You care to venture a guess at their political affiliation?... :-? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Radical Maximus on 06/06/16 at 03:24:49 Quote:
Well, that doesn't sound like an immigration problem at all, that is a welfare reform problem, and only at your state level, not a national one. Here, the first thing you get asked for to get almost any benefit is your SS#. That is Federal Law in all 50 States. There are a few child nutritional programs they can get but that is about all. The "Mexican's" you see in the welfare lines are US citizens (or parents of citizens), most likely due to language barriers and such keeping them in the minimum wage bracket. Don't take my word for it, these claims were fact checked a long time ago http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jun/20/ten-illegal-alien-facts-truth-o-meter/ Quote:
True, the others are building houses, mowing lawns, working in restaurants. Where I live in central Texas it is about 49% Hispanic, 48% white and 3% other. Some of the Hispanics are white, some of the whites are Hispanic. A lot of families still speak Spanish at home. And we are hours of driving from the border... and this border is over 2000 miles long. So how do we selectively "pick out" all the illegals without compromising the rights of everyone else? And to add to that, what everyone calls "Mexicans" are mostly really descendants of the various local Indian tribes, they were here long before we were. So how can we look back on Custer and say tsk tsk, yet continue to try and marginalize another population? The solution is not to draw a line and enforce it with a small army, I think it requires some higher thought on how to live and work together. What the rest of the country calls "Those Mexicans" we call neighbors. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/16 at 04:37:34 Radicalmuslim , welcome aboard. Well thought out and based in knowledge.. correct, and that is cool. However, my point about how the border patrol agents are not allowed to do their jobs is on the money. border patrol agent we complete the smuggling process Run that through the search engine.. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by oldNslow on 06/06/16 at 05:15:07 Quote:
Of course it's a national problem and an immigration problem. New York's, and some other states also, welfare problems notwithstanding, the fact that these folks are in the country in the first place is due to a broken immigration system which is the responsibility of the federal government. New York hasn't got a border patrol. Once the people are in the country they can go where ever they please. Point of fact, the national government is actively engaged in moving them about.The problem begins at the border. You said so yourself. Anyway, I'm done with this. I'm glad you are happy with the situation in your neighborhood. I'm not too cool with what's going on in mine. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/16 at 06:26:18 Based on your writing skill Rad; I would assume you would pay a bit more attention to detail. A transgender is not automatically a pervert I never said so and while I believe by definition, transgenders are mentally ill, I wouldn't automatically classify them as perverts, but I wouldn't rule it out either. I'm more concerned with actual PERVERTS taking advantage of PC companies like Target and finding their way into dressing rooms. And if you don't think that hasn't happened and will happen to greater degrees, you're a fool. And good God yes we have cradle to grave entitlements in the US, there's a hodgepodge of dozens of state and federal programs. You can literally be born healthy, grow up and die while getting federal assistance every step of the way. I'm an unapologetic supporter of conservative ideologies because on the whole, I feel it is far superior morally & economically than the soft socialism of the left. Have conservative leaders been flawed and pushed ideas based on their own selfish goals or misunderstanding? Sure, no argument here. You lean to the 'reasonable progressive stance' which is just another clever way of saying you think you examine every issue and make decisions based on the individual merits of each. So do I, in most cases, (but not all) that decisions lines up with the conservative ideology and I suspect in yours in lines up with the liberal ideology. Have the ball$ to call a spade a spade. If the Left were genuine in their desire to compromise, I'd be all for it, but they are not. I don't know where you get the ridicules notion the right never compromises (oh, I think it's your liberal ideology deciding for you), but the right always gives in during the legislative process. On those rare occasions when the right actually takes a stand and passes something or someone is appointed, the left (defeated at the polls) , turn to the judicial system, dominated by leftward thinking, to win in the end. Abortion laws would be the most obviously but lets toss in gun control, immigration laws and on and on. Look, I'm glad you chimed in and hope you stick around. Our resident long hair, maggot infested, FM listening, smelly, commie rat liberal, crybaby Sew needs help on the left side of this rope. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/06/16 at 07:39:32 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
Yer' watchin' way too much Trump, Web... ::) ... the maggots are just a seasonal thing.... :-? |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/16 at 09:34:17 Compromise... why is it seen as something that Must be done? We took a vote. We are eating your leg for supper. But, just as a way to show that We are not unreasonable, We are willing to compromise... |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Serowbot on 06/06/16 at 09:58:14 Only the left one,.. and just from the knee down... Beats the alternative... ;D |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/16 at 10:43:10 Yer' watchin' way too much Trump, Web actually, it's an old Rush Limbaugh gag. Kind of funny though! |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/16 at 10:52:06 55465E43465040270 wrote:
Who is they then? [/quote] AGAIN? Look up Creature from Jekyll Island Go Find the Names of who was there. Warburg, Loeb and several names I don't remember. Banking interest drove it. I wanna say only one politician was involved. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by Radical Maximus on 06/06/16 at 13:28:50 4E7C7B6A6D7C6B54786B72190 wrote:
One last quote to hammer it home... I will be glad to debate further if a real debater appears but you sir are unarmed and it isn't a fair nor a fun fight, so with that I bid thee well and hope you find a way to rid yourself of some of your hatred. p.s. Be careful in those bathrooms, they are scary places :o |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/16 at 14:09:14 Wow, if below is your honest response to what I said about unapologetic supporter, you've got to be seriously out of touch with reality to play a Hitler card like that..... Lets explore historic cases of "unapologetic supporters"... Hitler, Mouslini, Stalin, Sun. History is full of such cases, all were allowed to happen when people stopped thinking and followed a hate based philosophy full of insults and buzzwords... Once again, statement without fact or reference, back up what you say, show me the entitlement... Retirement doesn't begin until your 60's, even disability requires the individual to re-qualify periodically, same for SNAP, welfare is for a limited period (Welfare Reform Act), almost every one requires a SS# (welfare reform act). You're kidding right?..... You've never heard of all the state and federal programs? Hell, you jumped all the way to retirement and skipped over 60 years. Maybe your the bathroom pervert, ever hear of Freudian Projection? I will save you a google.. http://www.heretical.com/sgs-1999/bpsychol.html Oh, clever and mature, never saw that one coming. Grow up. but you sir are unarmed and it isn't a fair nor a fun fight oh f' off. I hate it when people like you try the not a fair fight $hit You want to pu$$ out and run away, do it. Don't try the holier than thou crap. |
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Title: Re: I hate to say this.........BUT. Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/16 at 14:26:42 actually go about 50/50 Left/Right, Oh, and I'm throwing big bull$hit flag Mr. Incognito Lefty. If you were really 50/50, you wouldn't have gotten your little panties in a bunch over my post..... |
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