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Title: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/12/16 at 12:11:41 Wake up America..... The gun is NOT your enemy.... Anymore than than nature ( it kills ). The car. Drugs. Booze. Food. Airplanes. Knives. Etc. We have to look at, expose, and distinguish who it is. Any other focus is NOT going to get us to where the real threat resides. In fact, it is easier to spot a gun toting terrorist than one with a small bottle/container of toxic substance that could be introduced into a water source that would make Flint look like child play, etc. Can you for a second imagine how a "bus boy" at a popular tavern/restaurant could taint food/beverage and have it served on the unsuspecting patrons in a busy night, only to find out the next day many succumb to it? How do you deter that without major intervention that would push our B of R and Constitution right up against a wall? If only one person had been carrying a concealed weapon in that crowd.... I am so sorry for all the loss and heartache, but thinking hate crime laws, and gun restrictions, and PC speak will solve this horrific mentality, I got news for you, the dinosaurs are dead now.... |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by mpescatori on 06/13/16 at 00:30:58 As professional military, I am trained to think with the enemy's brain, so to speak. Look at things his way. Get into his decision-making cycle and disrupt it in order to defeat him with the least commitent of men on my part. You want to do a terrorist act ? Spill a flu virus in Lake Mead and see ALL of Las vegas go down with the flu... And mind you, I merely said "flu"... Yes, modern hi-tech society is THAT vulnerable. :P |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by jcstokes on 06/13/16 at 01:46:34 Pesci, you're scary, gawd knows what would happen if someone let foot and mouth virus loose in godzone. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Paraquat on 06/13/16 at 06:15:10 I read a great speculative fiction story about an "agent". He was given a disease (varied by region) and all he had to do was travel. He'd hit up a train station, air port, what have you. The real story was his psychological breakdown with these events happening in the background, barely touched upon. I enjoyed it. http://escapepod.org/2013/12/06/ep425-boy-zaquitos/ There's an audio link and a text transcript if anyone is interested. I love the premise. --Steve |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/16 at 06:18:22 12 Monkeys... :-? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/atesh/12MonkeysWeDidIt.jpg |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/16 at 07:16:37 Guns don't make webpages devoted to killing Jews, Americans, gays etc.... It ain't the gun's fault. I probably have weapons more potent that the Orlando guy used, but I'm not a threat. True, a deadly virus could easily be released. I'm in the food & beverage industry. Since 9/11, security at food plants has been increased, but tomorrow, I will be at a plant that I guarantee all of you have eaten food from. I've been there enough that if I wanted, I could do some damage. it would be relatively easy. We can't protect ourselves by eliminating targets. We can protect ourselves by eliminating the people most likely to take action against those targets. That's Trump's point and I agree with him. Hilary and Democrat supporters are in denial. They are putting us in danger in so they can win an intellectual argument. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/16 at 08:33:27 4E7C7B6A6D7C6B54786B72190 wrote:
Yes,.. bombs can be made from fertilizer, and there are chemicals and viruses... and clubs and knives can kill... ..but, guns are unique, in that they are designed to kill. It is their raison d'ętre... Some reasonable compromises could be made, if both sides weren't so inflexible... Some balance of measures to lesson the risks, frequency, and severity of mass killings and terrorist acts. This killer was a US citizen,... apparently there was also another terror wannabe arrested in L.A. (this one was a white boy)... Basically,.. we can only try to do the things we do, more and better,... It can't be stopped or prevented, just reduced. Welcome to the new world... :-? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/16 at 09:04:54 Wanna see reduced? Eliminate free kill zones. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/16 at 09:13:39 Yeah right... the solution shootings is more guns... ... the shooters father... :-/ This guy is presenting himself very differently than his internet persona indicates. I'll be interested in what unfolds... |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Paraquat on 06/13/16 at 09:19:26 786E79647C69647F0B0 wrote:
I've made this argument here and compared it to swimming at sea. How far do we have to keep swimming in one direction (stripping citizens of their rights) until we realize we'd been heading in the wrong direction? I have friends in France. Firearms are almost totally outlawed there. ISIS did what they do best. Ignored laws and slaughtered innocents. --Steve |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/16 at 09:21:14 You're ignoring common sense AND statistics. Ask yourself WHERE are mass shootings? Ohh, look, Wally! It's where people are not Allowed to carry guns! Howcum izzat, Wally? How do bad people get to have guns where good people CAN'T? Huhh Wally? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/16 at 09:40:45 Wally says it's because it is in urban populated areas... Mass shootings happen where masses of people are... In Chicago,.. it's a 20 minute bus ride out of town to the gun shop where most of the guns used in Chicago shootings come from... Urban areas are helpless to limit sales on their own. Restrictions can only work at the national level... Ya'know,... ultimately, it is the guns... Sure,.. there's mental problems, and terrorists, and security slip-ups, and just plain pissed off people,... but, 9 times out of 10... it's bullets piercing flesh that kills... There's awful lot of superfluous stuff to fix if you want to ignore that one fact.. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/16 at 09:59:43 Guns don't make webpages devoted to killing Jews, Americans, gays etc.... ...But they do put holes in people... Then pencils really do make spelling mistakes. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/16 at 10:01:46 D@mn pencils!... ;D Eggsellunt retwort... 8-) Peace out,.. I'n goin' riding up the mountain to cool off... 8-) |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/16 at 10:06:29 killer was a US citizen,... But he wasn't an American. Apparently neither is our president since he's blaming us for this attack. F Obama, what a piece of garbage. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/13/16 at 10:10:17 FL basically has no gun laws that would aide in this discussion. No registration, no waiting period, no background check, etc. The guy was a security guard, you'd figure he would have been more thoroughly screened. Also reviewed by the FBI for 2 previous incidences, yet this guy wasn't on the no fly list. Domestic violence was also involved. Clearly, this guy had some privileges you and I don't. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/16 at 10:16:00 Yes he did, he was Muslim. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by old.indian on 06/13/16 at 11:37:05 The "Media" is screaming "Worse Mass Shooting In U.S. History"...... I guess they don't count places like Wounded Knee or Sand Creek .... Well, we all know who controls the "Media".... |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/16 at 11:46:18 497B7C6D6A7B6C537F6C751E0 wrote:
I just got road rash from thrashing around on the floor.. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/16 at 11:48:49 See Jog, ATGATT even at Tall Table. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/16 at 11:50:26 Especially at the TT.. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/16 at 14:54:04 https://m.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157163861635725:0 Trumps views vs Hilary's views. Trump is the guy I want in charge of my boarders. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/16 at 15:44:31 Why would you need Trump? It's your house. Obey the rules, pay rent or Out You Go.. How many boarders are you renting to? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/13/16 at 16:52:51 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 05:11:34 Let's see here, Trump wants to ban all Muslim from entering the states until it can be better regulated..... At the cost of denying peaceful Muslims. Liberals want to ban guns until it can be better regulated....denying law abiding owners, peaceful ones who don't use them to kill..... Golly, how come one idea is great, the other idea, not so? ::) |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by old.indian on 06/14/16 at 05:35:09 A tragedy has been turned in to a political issue by both of them. Neither one give a darn for the victims or their families. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Paraquat on 06/14/16 at 06:14:50 I love the cries how it was an AR15. It was a Sig. Quote:
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/ --Steve |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/14/16 at 06:19:58 62716974716777100 wrote:
You answer that question and you're on your way to discovering the answers to the mysteries that we call woman. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 06:21:13 Funny, Obama said yesterday it was a Glock loaded with multiple clips :o |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 06:22:47 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
You answer that question and you're on your way to discovering the answers to the mysteries that we call woman. [/quote] WHEW...,.. Thanks for the warning bub. I ain't going any further. I would rather be happy than right ;D |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 06:23:39 3C3F377D3A3D373A323D530 wrote:
Imagine that.......gee ;) |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/14/16 at 06:31:53 Aww, well, there's a first time for everything. Hopefully they won't let it get to be the norm. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/14/16 at 06:36:13 Your bleeding hearts move me... News update?... ...rumoured now,.. the shooter may have been closet gay... He may have gone to the nightclub socially before... |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/14/16 at 06:40:14 Well, let's see, FBI Had this guy a coupla times,, and Yet, Gee, how many times do we see that? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 07:40:39 I thought I heard he was a security guard that worked this area of businesses.... Which could explain why some reports of seeing him around before, or maybe he was scouting it out for a spell..... This revelation doesn't change the 911 conversation, or previous testimonies about this clown. But of course, we will find and report things that we can use to bolster our own beliefs. Did anybody see the libs stormed out on Ryan, shouting out loud they wanted gun legislation acted upon, etc. What is wrong with these unhinged idiots.... Don't they recall how Reid and Pelosi dictated their own agenda? What a bunch of sniveling crybabies ;D |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/14/16 at 08:06:47 5E4D55484D5B4B2C0 wrote:
We do,.. don't we?... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 08:23:10 6A7C6B766E7B766D190 wrote:
We do,.. don't we?... ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Oh wow, you sure got me. Darn it, I thought I was perfect like Obama :-* |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/14/16 at 09:26:09 7167706D75606D76020 wrote:
Yup, ISIS recruits gays, musta been a rage of jealousy when he seen the 2 kissing. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by old.indian on 06/14/16 at 10:30:03 "His ex-wife tried to stop him", "He was a closet gay", "He was armed with (insert your choice here) type of weapon" Yada, yada, yada...... Everyone of the brain dead talking heads in the media has their own version of the "true" facts, and both ends of the political spectrum have it's answer how to "prevent this type of tragedy from ever happening again." HORSE FEATHERS !!!!! |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/14/16 at 10:34:47 585B53195E59535E5659370 wrote:
As Jed Clampett said at the end of the weekly broadcast,"ya all come back now, hear" Ratings, titilation, dumbing down = $$$$$ You gotta break a few eggs, well, so be it. Ever notice how when one of their own run into trouble, family issues, etc, they barely mention it. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by pg on 06/14/16 at 19:20:24 http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gmc14214820160614082800.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by 12Bravo on 06/15/16 at 10:05:33 6B5A495A4A4E5A4F3B0 wrote:
Here is a journalists guide to firearms. http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss215/12Bravo10/journalistsguidetoguns_zpsvdocllgw.jpg |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/16 at 10:11:12 That Would be funny, but it's too close to the truth. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Paraquat on 06/15/16 at 11:14:16 http://c1.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/BUYCQ_tCAAA0JYk.jpg-large.jpeg I'm partial to this one. --Steve |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by LostArtist on 06/15/16 at 13:02:26 it ain't cotton candy... |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/15/16 at 13:36:16 092A36310437312C3631450 wrote:
No it ain't. But it is a constitutionally protected right, along side your right to say what you want, worship who you want, be secured from unreasonably searches, not being compelled to give your goods or services to the government without compensation..... I think you get the picture. (Maybe) |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/16 at 13:42:00 2C0F1314211214091314600 wrote:
I can list what it ain't for days. That it's not cotton candy doesn't make it the GUN. I've been in close proximity to several murderous guns and have yet to see one hop up and kill anyone. Can we please stay inside the realm of logic and just SAY why the people are dead? HE went in there and KILLED them. He also let blacks live. Had he Wanted to Kill everyone what he should have done was block the back door and throw gallon jugs of gas on the roof, and cover the front door from afar. Not sure he was alone. And why Three hours for SWAT ? How is that reasonable? And Why did the FBI have this guy several times and they had to let it go? Zacharius Mussoui? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by raydawg on 06/15/16 at 14:16:01 I know this sound strange, but, how bout those who talk smack about guns lead by EXAMPLE. Hollywood, give up you bodyguards and guns. Politicians, give up your armed detail. And travel on commercial aircraft too with the rest of us. If you do this, you will bolster your argument and show us you stand by your words. Well? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/15/16 at 14:42:51 The guy was reported to the FBI 2 or 3 times... YET his employer kept him on as a security guard. YET the state did not revoke his license. And yet a toddler is on the no fly list. For whom you have to buy a ticket for in advance with the air line. And you don't find out till you arrive at the airport ready to go. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/16 at 14:54:19 273423223D3036343F60510 wrote:
Eeeeek! A Safety Hater! Does Seem a bit Past sucking at your job failure. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by Serowbot on 06/15/16 at 14:55:04 ....and,.. even if he had been on the no-fly list,... he would still be allowed to by as many guns as he wanted... ::) |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/16 at 15:14:02 Would you like to change that? If your name is on the no fly list, should you be able to buy guns? |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by pg on 06/15/16 at 15:23:38 I can't say I like the thought of constitutional rights being taken away with out a trial. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/16 at 15:33:42 BINGO... People are not even notified that they Are on it. There is no avenue for relief that I am aware of. People have No idea what it is Supposed to mean to Be an American. All they have to do is start Accidentally putting afew names on it, suddenly Realizing that That scary person has GUNS at home and they Need a search warrant, confiscate, jail,, Take him off the list, Add names, rinse, repeat Eliminate guns in the hands of patriots. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by pg on 06/15/16 at 16:01:42 But it is good for the collective..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/16 at 16:11:47 Actually, no, it's good for their masters, but not them. They are ConVinced that it is, but it's not. |
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/16/16 at 09:59:01 6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
Exactly! If the process had judicial oversight, it would be acceptable. It should be a transparent process that could be overruled by giving testimony to a known group. Quote:
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Title: Re: It ain't the guns...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 17:23:10 7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:
You haven't answered. Read my reply. By now. |
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