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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1466096360 Message started by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 09:59:20 |
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Title: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 09:59:20 Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/jo-cox-british-lawmaker-shot-stabbed-yorkshire-reports-n593581 http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/16/16/jo-cox-11.jpg |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 17:21:10 That stopped me. I heard she was stabbed, but thought she was going to live. Now, I hear she was shot, too. How sad,, I don't know what she stood for, but I don't care. Poor thing is dead. And that's sad, though I wouldn't feel such sorrow for some of America's female pols should they be killed. Where were her armed guards? I THOUGHT guns were banned there. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 18:08:13 Guns are highly restricted in the UK,... but, some are allowed... (and a small number may be kept illegally)... Early reports said it looked like an antique weapon... it may have been a collectable or family heirloom... At least this limited the carnage to 1 dead and 1 injured.... Unlike the Giffords shooting, where 6 died and 13 were wounded... Sadly, these sad events can happen anywhere... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 18:12:43 Notice how they rarely happen in a police station? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/16/16 at 18:17:56 What is the suspected motive? And I don't buy the insane nutt job crap either. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 18:18:01 Notice how rarely they happen in England?... They have around 200 per year... We have 600 per day... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/16/16 at 18:19:22 What are you waiting for, you have citizenship? Must be the cuisine.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 18:20:52 UK is having a very controversial vote upcoming... Stay or go from the EU... This nut didn't agree Jo's position... (he yelled something about it before shooting)... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 18:22:05 ;D I'm just waiting to see if Trump gets elected... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 18:25:59 3D2B3C21392C213A4E0 wrote:
How many are in gun free zones? You want less killing? Make self defense legal. Knock off the War on drugs |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by oldNslow on 06/16/16 at 18:27:32 5B4C4A4649592B0 wrote:
I read some speculation that the motive may have been political, related to the upcoming referendum on whether or not Great Britain should leave the EU. Mrs. Cox was a strong proponent of staying in, and some witnesses said that the attacker was yelling "Britain out !" or something like that, which is apparently a catch phrase used by the faction that is in favor of the country exiting the EU. Even if that's the case, I think it's pretty hard to dismiss the " insane nut job" component. Sane people don't do sh*t like that. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 18:27:32 Same ol' answer... More guns will fix it.... Question?.... Shouldn't Syria be safest place on the planet?.... :-? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/16/16 at 18:33:55 67595854465A5B350 wrote:
I can accept the rational that an unbalanced person can commit a horrendous crime. The little that I read basically said they were bat $hit crazy and they was not motive as of yet. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 18:36:47 Really? crappity smacking war zone? Moron.. Rules? Stick the rules. You wanna play a thingy? Im sick of it. You play games. Chickenshit little crybaby games. Back you in a corner and you can't hang, so you run and play crappy games. WE are in AMERICA. The point is Here. Intellectual Dishonesty Study it.. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by oldNslow on 06/16/16 at 18:38:55 So, A promising young woman with a bright future is dead. A country that is very important on the world stage is in the midst of a political upheaval that might very well determine the fate of the European Union. Something that has ramifications for our own country. And we're gonna just have the same old dumb a*s arguments about gun control ? ::) |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 18:45:49 Really? crappity smacking war zone? Moron.. Rules? Stick the rules. You wanna play a thingy? Im sick of it. You play games. Chickenshit little crybaby games. Back you in a corner and you can't hang, so you run and play crappy games. WE are in AMERICA. The point is Here. Intellectual Dishonesty Study it.. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 18:50:29 647B7D7A6760516151697B773C0E0 wrote:
Get yer' knickers out of their bunch... Firstly,... we were talking about the UK... It wasn't limited to the US... Secondly,.. What rules?... ... and lastly,... Intellectual Dishonesty is not just my domain... This kettle's calling you out... ;D Sure,. America's 4 times the size of England... They have 200 gun deaths per year... we have 600 per day... Isn't it the height of intellectual dishonesty to say we need more guns, and fewer gun free zones...?... England,... is a gun free zone,... and it's clearly working... Sorry, oldNslow... you're right, but I had to reply to that accusation... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by oldNslow on 06/16/16 at 19:27:24 "Put Britain first" not "Britain out" was what the guy supposedly was yelling. Another witness claimed that he didn't say anything. They have the guy in custody so presumably they'll eventually hear from him directly about what his motive was. Unless he tells them that "The voices in my head told me to do it." My guess is that it was political to at least some degree. The vote on the referendum is next week. I don't believe that the fact that this happened now is just a coincidence. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/16 at 19:51:54 A working gun free zone equals zero. Look at Where the shootings ARE. And yes, Americans Free to protect themselves will equal fewer dead. The high gun murder rate is IN your much sought after Gun Free zones. Look at Chicago. Over sixty over the memorial day weekend. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/16 at 22:45:59 I'm really, really, busy this week... posting in shorthand.... .... but,... we can argue, less is more... in a general way... lower taxes = more revenue... smaller gov'nt = better ... ..but,.. more guns = less death... just don't add up... not logically, statistically,... or mathematically... ...does more eggs = less chickens?... ... more dough = less bread?... ... more calories = less weight?.. ... more heat = less sweat?... Intellectual Dishonesty... Sometimes,... less of something, equals more of the other... Logic dictates... If I take away your gum... there wil be less chewing... :-? Pardon... I'm playing 3 minute a shot keep up, this week... ... went to an appointment today, scheduled for next week... Sheet harpoons... :-? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by WebsterMark on 06/17/16 at 06:42:46 ..but,.. more guns = less death... just don't add up... not logically, statistically,... or mathematically... I'm not sure more guns equals more deaths is true. There are fewer murders now than 20 years ago. There are certainly more guns now than 20 years ago. So, logically, statistically, more guns do equal less murders, right? Am I missing something? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/16 at 07:21:19 Again, look at WHERE the mass shootings are. Gun Free zones. Certainly a Fewer Guns location. I'm not suggesting everyone be armed. Actually, if a law was passed making CC legal, no license, I would get trained but I probably wouldn't carry unless I was traveling. The thing is by making it Legal for people to Be armed anywhere then the people who want to commit mass murder wouldn't Know that they were walking into a Free Kill zone. But, here we get into property rights. The owner has a right to deny what he disagrees with on his property. But, by denying the clients their ability to defend themselves, does he Assume that burden? Or, since they Chose to Be there, are they accepting a risk in order to enjoy the venue? A sort of Informed Consent situation? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by verslagen1 on 06/17/16 at 07:58:51 FL, isn't this the state that was having rampant carjacking/crime until the gun laws were relaxed? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/17/16 at 12:47:06 Sew - As a Brit, what's your take on whether the UK should stay in or get out of the EU? Since they don't use the Euro currency, is it a big deal either way? Years ago I had a friend and client who worked at a company that did a lot of business all over Europe. She loved the Euro because part of her job was pricing her company's services. Every morning, very early, prior to the Euro, should had to get in her office around 4 AM here in Ohio, check all of the overnight changes in exchanges rates for all of the European currencies, and change her prices according from U.S. Dollars into all of those dozen or more currencies. After the Euro she had to check only 3 rates: Euro, British Pound, and Swiss Franc. The poor lady died few years ago; fell off of her horse and hit her head on a rock. And people say motorcycles are dangerous. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/16 at 12:55:36 273423223D3036343F60510 wrote:
Louisiana showed the way. People were getting killed all the time. The Governor finally said, Arm yourself, defend yourself, and in a matter of a coupla weeks, with car jackers Dying, kicking, screaming, gutshot in the streets, it ended. The people who were so affected in Florida were tourists. The travel industry told them Hide maps, binoculars, luggage, everything that would make you look like a tourist. Rental car companies stopped putting decals on the cars. They were Still getting mugged.. Then the Governor said Arm and I defend yourself. And, in a short time, the news stopped being about tourist victims in Florida. And THAT is what arming victims does. Handcuffing the bullys victims really isn't a great way to stop fistfights. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/17/16 at 17:57:56 425D5B5C41467747774F5D511A280 wrote:
Is that new orleans your referring to or all of la? After Katrina, all the crime was dispersed to the surrounding communities & states. Places that were half way decent, now people get mugged at gun point in the parking lot of a nice mall. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/16 at 18:06:51 I don't remember it being so much localized to N.O.., I remember the news just continuing to be about the horrific ways some drivers died, snagged in a seat belt, dragged, run over,and all because they were defenseless. Watching that game come to a halt within weeks, after all that time, all that horror, all those lives, the families ruined, all because the darned gutless among us want everyone to be safe, by being defenseless. Watching the bad guys stop after a few died painfully was cold comfort. Throw the helmet away.. be safer. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/17/16 at 18:33:58 Car jacking was a bit of a fad crime,... it had it's day... but, it dropped off everywhere. Carry laws were only coincidentally related... The crime itself proved hard to pull off... criminals just quit trying it... PS... If I stick a gun in your face,... are you dumb enough to draw on me?... Your brains are going to make a mess of my new car's upholstery... ;D |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/16 at 18:44:41 You can have your opinion, but I saw what I saw. While the bad guys were not getting caught or hurt, i t was a going thing. Texas wasn't on the news much,I don't remember any, actually, Louisiana was. Louisiana changed the rules. Game over. But, you can see what you want. Crime that is a felony isn't a fad. It's a business. You might find a coupla times when a few punks pull one and dump the car, but the majority were one man, walking up, yanking the door open and dragging the driver out. Go read some crime reports.Don't ask me how they were done. I remember what grizzly horrors were committed. Hearing about the gutshot , screaming, kicking, dying creeps made me feel great. |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/17/16 at 18:45:17 616E6268636E65696E796C6E790B0 wrote:
I'm not that familiar with the debate... My day saw the change to decimal money... hapenny's and farthings were fun... crowns and shillings... Penny"s though, were insanely huge... ;D I think I'm generally for remaining in the EU... Not an isolationist in principal... there's more opportunity in a bigger pond... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/17/16 at 18:55:17 If they are aren't using the Euro exclusively then what is the big deal if they leave or not? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/17/16 at 18:55:42 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/17/16 at 18:56:50 5046514C54414C57230 wrote:
All I'm going to say is that car ain't big enough for the two of us..... ;) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/17/16 at 18:58:39 Smart car?... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/16 at 19:01:57 Gotta be a cat to copy. Whatever Caused it, it was not a short time thing. Your dad or sister didn't get killed while everyone waited for the jokers to stop the game. The game ended very shortly after the rule change. But you can see it all as coincidence. The car thefts were Gonna stop.. but the dead creeps in the road didn't do it... |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/17/16 at 19:07:23 Actually, I know of two incidents in the past year where people were mugged at gun point at their home. They pulled into their driveway or garage and as soon as they cracked the drivers side door there was the thug. One incident was in Atlanta and the other was Memphis. The police in Atlanta said that was extremely common. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by Serowbot on 06/17/16 at 19:16:18 I figure if they want it that bad, they can have it... Nuttin' I own is worth my life or anyone else's... I don't want to die for thing, and I don't want kill for it either... I do own a hella' lot of crap... ;D Although,... I did just say I was planning to pin a guys arm to my hood with a screwdriver... :-/ I must have mellowed with age... ;D ... can I nuance this with,... I will hurt you pretty bad,... but I don't want to kill you... :P PS... if the FBI is listening... I'm not one of those guys... I'm fine,... really... :-? |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by pg on 06/17/16 at 19:25:39 In Atlanta, she panicked and threw it in a gear and almost ran over the other assailant. They fired off a couple shots and no one was hit. In Memphis my friend was pistol whipped. You just never know.... :-/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: UK has had it's Gabby Giffords moment... Post by WebsterMark on 06/18/16 at 04:15:41 In St Louis last month, a 21 year old woman with 9 month old baby in back of car in a car seat and her friend in who was 6 months pregnant in the front were carjacked by two "youths". One guy threw the driver to the ground, put a gun in her face and said "die b!tch" and blew her head off. The other guy threw the pregnant girl across the road and they took off. Couple blocks later they noticed the car seat so they slowed down, opened the door and pitched it out. No kidding. Cops caught up to one of the "youths" couple days later and they had a shootout. They riddled him with bullets. I say "youths" because thats what our local paper calls blacks involved in serious crimes. Funny thing, this crime was so bad, not a peep about police brutality. They blew this kid into swiss cheese and no protests followed. Guess this kid was so bad, the regular protesters must have decided not all black lives matter afterall... |
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