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Title: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 09:06:31 By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 30, 2016 A political science professor at the University of Chicago says American universities are teeming with perpetually offended “delicate snowflakes” who are destroying free speech in academia. “‘Safety,’ as it happens, is a magic word on campus,” Charles Lipson wrote in an essay for Real Clear Politics. “It has its own special meaning, well beyond legitimate concerns about robbery, sexual assaults, and coercive threats. Some students have stretched the term to mean ‘I feel unsafe because I disagree with your ideas. So shut up. Right now.’ “ “Today, dean-of-students offices are devoted to comforting delicate snowflakes and soothing their feelings. If that means stamping out others’ speech, too bad,” he continued. “The deans are typically helped by small bureaucracies with Orwellian titles such as ‘the Office for Diversity and Inclusion.’ The title is deceptive; these offices are ideologically driven. They are not about ‘including’ Chinese-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Jews who support Israel, or evangelical Christians who may feel themselves beleaguered minorities on campus. The diversity police have zero interest in encouraging diverse viewpoints. Instead, they are university-sponsored advocates for approved minorities, approved viewpoints, and approved grievances. Full stop.” Mr. Lipson offered a five-step plan that he believes will resolve the “assault on free discussion” on college campuses. First, he asked that university leaderships show “some intellectual courage.” “Their boards of trustees should demand to know if free speech is protected on their campuses, in principle and in practice. Then, they should hold the school administrators accountable for results,” he wrote. “Second, universities should tell students, beginning with their acceptance letters, that ‘our school believes in free speech, open debate, and diverse opinions. You will hear different views on controversial topics. You are urged to read, write, and develop your own views, but you may not suppress others.’ Stress that core value during orientation week. Urge students who seek shelter from intellectual challenges to go somewhere else.” Step three included assigning a ranking administrator to free speech ambassador. “He or she should make regular reports to the university president, faculty, and board, just as others do about gender discrimination, physical safety, and other issues,” Mr. Lipson wrote. “Fourth, demand that student affairs offices stop suppressing basic academic freedoms and start supporting them. Begin by restoring the rightful meaning of ‘student safety.’ It shouldn’t be distorted to shield students from uncomfortable ideas,” he continued. “Finally, let students know that they have every right to protest peacefully. They have every right to hold their own events, opposing what others’ advocate. But they have no right to disrupt others, and they will be punished if they do. Stop coddling rabble-rousers who come to campus specifically to disrupt academic events, as they often do. Universities routinely ignore these problems, despite their corrosive effects.” Mr. Lipson warned that the First Amendment is being “smothered in an avalanche of delicate snowflakes,” and if universities don’t act fast, they will fail at upholding their “basic mission of promoting the exchange of ideas, real learning, and innovative research.” Copyright © 2016 The Washington Times, LLC. Click here for reprint permission. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by oldNslow on 07/02/16 at 09:40:04 "if universities don’t act fast, they will fail at upholding their “basic mission of promoting the exchange of ideas, real learning, and innovative research.” I don't think that that has been the "basic mission" of most universities and colleges for a good long while. It isn't going to get fixed 'cause they don't think anything is broken. ' |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/02/16 at 09:53:03 I disagree with the "Finally"... "They have every right to hold their own events, opposing what others’ advocate. But they have no right to disrupt others," ...the rest,.. Yes... Disruption is free speech too... |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 10:14:00 Actually, no, it's not. I rent a venue to hold a gathering in and open the doors to those who would come join me and hear what I have to say, then coming in and disrupting is trespass on me and my free speech. Disagree? Rent, or gain access from whatever authority has jurisdiction, a place and express Your ideas and Explain WHY you disagree and build support for your ideas. That's tolerance. And civilised. If it's not done that way then we live in the jungle. If it's done in a civilized manner then it's the Ideas that win, not muscle. So, let's behave like adults and discuss the issues and build support for one way or another in how to solve problems in society. Let's allow the People to choose which way society goes, not just a vocal and violent minority who would label people as bigots because, say, frinstance, they want to stop immigration, legal and otherwise, while America recovers economically and,we sort through the immigrants who are sworn to kill Christians and homos. How do the left justify bringing people who are sworn Enemies of homosexuals into America? Do the left somehow believe that they won't kill them in America because it's against the law? It's not working out so well in Europe. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/02/16 at 10:20:01 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
It's not working here either... but ours are homegrown... That’s the world today... you can't hide from it. :-? |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 10:36:37 You might look more closely at exactly When the homegrown was transplanted. Regardless of whether he was born in America or not, knowingly IMPORTING true bigots and religious zealots Sworn to bring Their Justice to those who Allah says must die is kinda hard to defend, innit? |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by pg on 07/02/16 at 13:56:35 4553445941545942360 wrote:
So you would condone the Klan peacefully disrupting a far left demonstration..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 13:59:39 594E48444B5B290 wrote:
So you would condone the Klan peacefully disrupting a far left demonstration..... Best regards,[/quote] By Golly, I think we just saw a rather deft hypothetical example of the shoe slipping gently onto the Other Foot. Where Is that High Five emoticon? |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Ruttly on 07/02/16 at 14:24:02 Watch yourself he builds a good rat trap ! |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by pg on 07/02/16 at 14:41:47 022524243C29500 wrote:
There really is no justification for infringing or denying someones rights to freedom of speech. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 15:09:38 Well, after Decades of compromise to satiate the left, the masses are waking up to the consequences for the choices and starting to want to do things more intelligently. The Left know that in the arena of ideas they are starting to lose. So, like other petty tyrants, they resort to violence. Only with this new left, and the New words, like I don't Feel Safe, your ideas are scary, so, You must shut up And if that is not enough, YOU support Eeevil, so, I am Justified when I smash your face. Well, actually, I see the agenda of the left as eeevil.. And if push comes to shove, I have a fist, too. The idea that bringing people here who have SHOWN what they will do in Europe and somehow believe that they won't Do that here is just mind boggling. I Do build good rat traps. I use logic and observed reality and intellectual honesty and the people who are not well equipped find themselves unable to make points and get trapped. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Ruttly on 07/02/16 at 16:27:24 That was supposed to be a compliment Rev. Jog |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/02/16 at 18:17:56 7760666A6575070 wrote:
So you would condone the Klan peacefully disrupting a far left demonstration..... Best regards,[/quote] I don't imagine there's a large contingent of KKK attending university,... but if there is, so be it... I do imagine that if the KKK wanted to have a demonstration they would be met with some sizeable opposition... Do you disagree with all protest?... Students should welcome racist, hate speech with open arms?... No thanks... |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 18:33:55 745352524A5F260 wrote:
Hmm, well, sorry about that..Maybe I had your intentions figured wrong..and that's liable to show up somewhere else.. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/02/16 at 18:38:06 The problem with rat traps is they don't only kill rats... :-? Cryptic, huh?... :-? |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/16 at 18:50:13 Students should welcome racist, hate speech with open arms?... When Protesters are committing assault it's not protected speech, it's assault. When people are going to the emergency room,that's not the result of speech or protest, that is assault. Students should welcome racist, hate speech with open arms?... And what racist hate speech exactly are you referring to? You can copy and paste what Trump said that you are so offended by. Otherwise the topic remains vague and nebulous. I suspect that the words that have caused you to see him as a monster are not being rightly viewed.. I have found some smaller, rather confusing bits in some of my traps. Bits of light cord, some yellow bits of what could almost pass for a delicate shag carpet. If I believed in unicorns I might wonder if possibly I'd almost snagged a Muppet.. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by old.indian on 07/02/16 at 18:51:47 Serowbot: Who defines what is "racist and hateful" ????? And that is the major problem > |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by pg on 07/02/16 at 21:10:57 5345524F57424F54200 wrote:
I agree with everyone having the right to disseminate their own beliefs. However, when violence is involved or peoples rights convey a message are denied that is not free speech. I didn't specify if the demonstration was at a university or not; although, the venue should make no difference. They do not necessarily have to welcome narratives that they do not condone. It does not give them the right to commit assault. Walk right on by and pay no attention it you are not interested in the message, don't start beating the $hit out of people. Who should decide what is appropriate? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by pg on 07/02/16 at 21:13:48 5F78797961740D0 wrote:
Ahhh, I don't believe Jog is a Rev; however, I believe WD is a deacon. ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/02/16 at 22:27:02 Now I have JOG talking about Trump rallies... and PG saying he didn't specify universities... The OP is an article about PC sensitivity on university campuses.. Not... Trump,... Yes, on campus... ...and not physical assault... Now who's worming around the topic?... I fight alone here...outnumbered nearly every time, on every topic.... I won't run 5 directions at once, while you guys try to bend the topic to justify your position... Of course, violent assault is wrong... (if you watched real news, you'd know Trump supporters have attacked protesters much more often and violently than the other way 'round...and Trump himself has encouraged it)... In this forum, unlike the real America,... you outnumber reason... In the real world,.. you don't. Trump will lose,.. monumentally.. it will be a historic loss. Hillary will win... she won't go to jail,.. as there is no crime... only a desperate search for one. I understand... losers are bitter and angry... ..but if you want to take it out on me... I'm not playing... Please consider your number advantage,.. before trying to drag me into multiple arguments at once. To my understanding... the OP topic is PC censorship on college campus's... Not Trump, Not violence, and on campus... I am on topic... I don't have time to divide every topic into multiple subcategories... If you want to surreptitiously drift topics to your agenda... play amongst yourselves... You can always win that way... because you'll have no opposition. Not like the real world... :-? Peace, Serow. PS,.. remember... all this matters not a wit... What will be, will be... ...and it will effect us as individuals very little... The sun will still rise in the morning and set in the eve... We will still eat, drink, sleep, and love. A serous plumbing problem, termite infestation, or storm,... a slip in the shower, road accident, or illness in the family, will affect us more who is President... I'm here for entertainment,.. I ain't gonna' change the world on a motorcycle site... ;D Peace, again... Sir-Rowboat |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/16 at 05:57:16 Nobody is Trying to create a situation that you can't manage. I'm saying what I'm saying.. sorry if it is not in direct alignment with the OP. Seriously, we don't PM each other attack strategies. I Do appreciate the position you're in. I think you've done well, don't get shook, it's all good.. I Disagree about the numbers of Rational people. I'm thinking you've mistaken effects with number of people. The Left have accomplished Much with a Never Stop being in their faces Attitude. You're not the majority because of being Right, but because of the racist agenda, the We Care More B.S.... The Left is going to cease to be popular, because enough of the constituents are waking up to the damage done to society through unintended consequences. However Unintended they may have been, they weren't Unforeseeable. And I see I am not alone in wondering Who is it who decides what is racist and hate speech.. And isn't it odd, the Fighting Snowflakes? Soo gentle hearted that they are driven to violence by mere words... Shawking... |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/16 at 06:36:19 Sew wrote: Of course, violent assault is wrong... (if you watched real news, you'd know Trump supporters have attacked protesters much more often and violently than the other way 'round...and Trump himself has encouraged it)... I don't want to drag this topic even further away but your statement above is not true, not even close. It's like saying Obama faces more verbal attacks than any other President. That's true if you forget about 8 years of Bush. But lets move on. Yes, Sew is alone at this table and he sits by the bathroom door so he can duck out from time to time. I've been accused of defending Sew and I have because we need him at the table. Yea, he's a friend of those long hair hippie-type, pinko fags and he's got a commie flag tacked up in his garage. He's torn Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars and he voted for George McGovern for President. (apologies to Mr. Daniels) We need more commie liberals at the table. That little girl Raven sat down for a while but she turned out to as dumb as a bag of hammers. Hovis pops over and takes a seat from time to time, Lost is lost most of the time, and a few others take a sip on their way out the door (how long can I keep this bat table analogy going) but we need a larger table. The problem why few stay is the same reason there are no liberal talk radio shows that last. Liberal policies cannot stand up to sustained questioning. They're not built on logic, but emotion. It's the same reason why liberal TV shows do fine while a conservative TV talk show would bomb. Liberal TV shows last because the personalities of the hosts is what matters, not the meat of what they say. Anyway, attack Sew all you want on his nation-killing ideas, but at keast he sticks around. We really need more commies to take a seat and defend themselves. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by raydawg on 07/03/16 at 08:00:18 4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
Well I am heartened to see you state such buddy...... Will you now return all my post you deleted because you were tired of my BULLCHIT ? :-* :-X :-[ ::) |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by HovisPresley on 07/03/16 at 12:12:08 Quote Mark: "That little girl Raven sat down for a while but she turned out to as dumb as a bag of hammers." :o |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/03/16 at 13:19:49 60475E415B785A4D5B444D51280 wrote:
From Web,... that just means she wasn't far right of Ronald Reagan... ;D She actually presented her opinions very intelligently and maturely... |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/16 at 13:27:51 She actually presented her opinions very intelligently and maturely... Well, not bad, certainly considering the Colorado and California background and the young age.. I enjoyed her posts. She wasn't a Raven lunatic.. I really am good at that,, |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/16 at 14:20:27 She actually presented her opinions very intelligently and maturely... If you call making $hit up intelligent and mature then yea, she was. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/16 at 14:27:30 If you call making $hit up intelligent.. I'm sure you have something in mind.... |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/16 at 16:00:28 feel free to go back and read it, but I don't wanna rehash it. it's not that big of a deal anyway. |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by Serowbot on 07/03/16 at 16:19:10 You do realize that you routinely debate politics, morality, and philosophy with a muppet,... right?... :-? :-/ WIN!!!... ;D |
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Title: Re: When ideas are scary,, shut people up.. Post by WebsterMark on 07/04/16 at 06:11:42 Well. if that's the case, it certainly explains the "depth" of which you grasp topics....... Happy Independence Day, the original Brecit! |
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