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Message started by sauvage on 07/06/16 at 03:33:05

Title: Tubed tyre query
Post by sauvage on 07/06/16 at 03:33:05

I have only just realised that the S40 has tubed tyres and also that it has to have tubed tyres because of the spokes. Recently I found a screw embedded in the tubeless tyre on my GS500 and I had never encountered tyre plugs before, I thought that was the end of the tyre which was almost new. But then I heard about plugs and I reamed the hole and plugged it with a self vulcanising worm.

This was a revelation to me and I promptly bought a micro 12V battery powered tyre pump which I keep on my bike with a reaming kit and spare worms. I did this because the screw inserted itself when I was very very far from help. I did not know it was there at the time and I ended up riding home with the screw in, which I probably would not have done had I known it was there as I need to go a couple of hundred kilometres and on a freeway as well.

Now I have discovered that the S40 uses tubes and if I got a screw or nail in my tire when I was in the boondocks I would not be able to do a roadside repair. So my questions is...

What do members of this forum do to cover themselves for a flat tyre when touring. It seems that it would be a major drama to remove the wheel, and belt especially with no centre stand. Is this just one of those things that you have to put up with?

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by KennyG on 07/06/16 at 05:41:37

Call AAA

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/16 at 07:57:06

If a tube gets punctured, you're pretty much done unless you are just Badassed enough to pull a wheel, get the tire off, patch, etc. If it's holding air, go home..
I bought about seven cans of Tire Leak Stop one day.. Gakk, what a mess,, but I got it home,

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by DavidOfMA on 07/06/16 at 07:58:26

I always put Ride-On in my tires as soon as I change the tire or the tube. It prevents air leakage (I never have to top off the air), and it has allowed me to ride home about 100 miles with a screw in the tire and tube. The company claims it will plug up to a 1/4 inch leak in a tubeless tire and 1/8" in a tubed tire, and that it's easy to wash out of the tire with water.

So far, so good. I also carry a can of fix-a-flat, but I haven't found that to be as effective as the Ride-On. Good product.

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/16 at 08:15:27

If you can Find actual rubber tubes instead of PVC, then you have a much better chance of getting home. The Ride On sounds like a plan. I also like the green slime. If you have a puncture, and it's not wiggling around, leave it, and add sealer.

I was on the highway for a lot of that ride. Seventy MPH on a low Rear tire isn't bad on the straight lines.. A low front? Have fun with that..

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by engineer on 07/06/16 at 12:45:47

Here is the link to the stuff that many people use, there is a version of it marketed for tubed tires. I don't know much about it but I think it is supposed to stay liquid in your tire and has the potential to seal multiple leaks.

http://www.slime.com/es/products/bike/sealants/tube-sealant.php

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by sauvage on 07/06/16 at 14:32:29

OK the Ride-On product looks pretty good. But how does it work with a tube. If it is on the inside of a tube and say a screw gets into the tyre and tube, does that meant that the tyre has to removed later and plugged? Or is the sealant mean to leak out of the tube and repair the tyre as well?

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by oldNslow on 07/06/16 at 15:28:17

35273330272123460 wrote:

If the ride-on stuff seals the leak in the tube it doesn't make any difference if there is a hole in the tire. You're still going to need to replace the tube at the earliest opportunity. That stuff is only a temporary - " till you can get home, or to a garage repair" . At that point what you do with the tire depends on the size of the hole. But since the tire has to come off to replace the tube anyway, if the tire is worth saving, I'd patch it on the inside. Plugs are for when you can't, or don't want to, dismount a tubeless tire that's on a rim that doesn't require a tube in the first place.

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/16 at 15:40:18

PVC tubes tear. Rubber tubes don't.

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by Kris01 on 07/06/16 at 17:00:33

A tire plug sounds very dangerous on a mc. I wouldn't go far with it if I didn't have to.

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by sauvage on 07/06/16 at 17:56:22

754C574D0E0F3E0 wrote:

A tire plug sounds very dangerous on a mc. I wouldn't go far with it if I didn't have to.

Yeah I know right. I was amazed. You need to get the right plugs they have to be self vulcanising so they become part of the tyre rather than the cheap plugs where you have to use rubber cement with them. Or I should say crappy plugs because the good ones are already cheap at five buck a packet.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Safety-Seal-Tire-Plugs-6-PIECES-one-packet-tire-repair-brown-plugs-kit-4-/121275939704 you can read about them on the at http://www.safetyseal.com

Safety Seal make a kit but I just bought a cheapo reamer and inserter for a few bucks. I was astounded. The tyre was almost new and just forgot about it after 10,000 kms. However this of course if for tubeless. I've written to Ride On to get more clarification as to how the goop in the inner tube is able to plug the tyre, I don't quite get that bit yet.

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by oldNslow on 07/06/16 at 19:46:13

Quote:

I've written to Ride On to get more clarification as to how the goop in the inner tube is able to plug the tyre, I don't quite get that bit yet.

It isn't. If enough of the gunk gets out of the tube to plug the hole in the tire then the air is going to be out of the tube too. And then you're walking, or calling a tow truck.

"If the ride-on stuff seals the leak in the tube it doesn't make any difference if there is a hole in the tire. You're still going to need to replace the tube at the earliest opportunity. That stuff is only a temporary - " till you can get home, or to a garage repair" . At that point what you do with the tire depends on the size of the hole. But since the tire has to come off to replace the tube anyway, if the tire is worth saving, I'd patch it on the inside. Plugs are for when you can't, or don't want to, dismount a tubeless tire that's on a rim that doesn't require a tube in the first place."

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by Kris01 on 07/06/16 at 20:10:22

You can have a hole in the tire as long as the tube holds air. Obviously you can't ride with a hole large enough for the tube to contact the pavement. It wouldn't last 3 miles.

Title: Re: Tubed tyre query
Post by sauvage on 07/07/16 at 00:57:56

@oldNslow If enough of the gunk gets out of the tube to plug the hole in the tire then the air is going to be out of the tube too.

I keep one of these on my bike, never had to use it yet, but I got spooked when I got home after 200kms on the motorway and found a screw in the tyre almost ground down to nothing.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rocky-Creek-Designs-MotoPressor-Pocket-Pump-Tyre-Inflate-Motorcycle-Compact-SAE-/131300147376