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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 05:39:29

Title: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 05:39:29

The question was not asked of Gabriel how it could be that a government, which demands its citizens be unarmed and defenseless on the promise that their government will keep them safe, has allowed the country to turn in to a hot spot for mass shootings, stabbings, and other forms of terrorist attacks.

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/07/germans-change-constitution-after-munich-military-gun-control.html

I'm gonna increase your level of security. I'm gonna do that by removing From you what few rights you Have to defend yourself.

Being armed doesn't make one bulletproof. Sometimes you get shot before you're aware of a danger. Sometimes, the good guy loses a gunfight. I'd rather have the chance to fight back.
Seatbelts are not a guarantee of survival, but to be made safer by having them removed just doesn't sound smart, duzzitt?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 08:11:25

At first I thought seatbelts were a bad comparison, but I wonder. I reckon seatbelts actually make certain kinds of crashes more dangerous, and we all know how evil airbags are.

I'm happy to wear my seatbelt, but I think I'd rather have guns than airbags. ;) Let's ban airbags! :D ... or, at least government-mandated ones. ::) Yeah, the government wants to take away our weapons but forces us to buy cars with so called "safety" devices that are a smack in the face-- pun intended. I have a relative who supposedly had a rather substantial facial injury because of one of those devil bags.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 08:38:28

Seatbelts are not a guarantee of survival,

Neither is a helmet. In fact, a helmet would have been a fulcrum between neck and shoulder, breaking my neck certainly. Instead, I cracked three vertebrae. And walked away.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by Serowbot on 07/28/16 at 09:21:32

You are 3 times less likely to be killed in a car crash wearing a seat belt...
Those are pretty good odds...

There have been about 140 injuries, 7 deaths from faulty airbags.

There have been 300,000 US deaths from guns in the last decade..

Comparing guns to seat belts,.. is like comparing cyanide to celery... :-/
...and yes, I'm sure someone somewhere has died choking on celery... :-?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 09:42:16

It's an analogy.

Neither is a certainty.
Each offers better odds.

Argue with it, I won't be shocked.

I didn't compare anything. I used each one independenetly, pointing out that neither is perfect in providing life protection, but each offers better odds of survival.
You, in order to maintain your attitude, are Forced to dismiss the analogy by falsely claiming it is a comparison, which would be silly.
That's intellectual dishonesty, again.
But, thanks for playing.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by Serowbot on 07/28/16 at 10:01:48

Quote:

analogy
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:

2. similarity or comparability:

Whatever... :-X

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 10:30:07

485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:

How about the countless injuries from PROPERLY WORKING airbags?!?!?

How many people do you think have had their faces smashed half off with those devil bags, and merely assumed that it saved their lives, naively thinking that they would have been in worse shape without them?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by Serowbot on 07/28/16 at 10:37:14

Exceptions prove the rule...

:-/... sounds good... :-/...

:-X

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 11:04:01

Whatever it takes to avoid acknowledging the point.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by Paraquat on 07/28/16 at 11:14:49

I liked JoG's analogy.

Let's compare safety devices to safety devices! That sounds like fun!

Seat belts save lives... only when you're in a car accident. The rest of the time it's superfluous.

Let's compare it to body armor... which only saves your life when you're shot at. The rest of the time it's superfluous.

Why is body armor so hard to obtain in Connecticut?

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It is a class B misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for up to six months, a fine of up to $1,000, or both, to sell or deliver body armor unless the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the sale or delivery. The law exempts sales or deliveries to:

1. authorized officials or sworn members of local police departments, the State Police, the Division of Criminal Justice, the Department of Correction, or the Board or Pardons or Parole;

2. authorized municipal or Department of Administrative Services' officials who buy body armor for the above agencies;

3. authorized Judicial Branch officials who buy body armor for probation officers; and

4. members of the National Guard or armed forces (CGS § 53-341b).

Wouldn't you make it easier, or more accessible to individuals?

Quote:

By law, it is a class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year imprisonment, a fine of up to $2,000, or both, for anyone convicted of the following offenses to possess body armor.

1. a capital felony (death penalty case);

2. a class A felony other than employing a minor in an obscene performance;

3. a class B felony other than 1st degree promoting prostitution, 1st degree larceny, or promoting a minor in an obscene performance;

4. a class C felony other than 2nd degree promoting prostitution, bribery of a juror, or bribe receiving by a juror;

5. class D felonies of 2nd degree assault with or without a firearm, 2nd degree assault, with or without a firearm, of a victim over age 60, 3rd degree sexual assault with or without a firearm, 1st degree unlawful restraint, 3rd degree burglary with or without a firearm, reckless burning, 3rd degree robbery, or criminal use of a firearm or electronic defense weapon; or

6. a serious juvenile offense (CGS § 53a-217d).

Define a serious juvenile offense? Tipping a cow? Spray painting a building?

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0401.htm

Quote:

Apparently, the Connecticut legislature does not include body armor as a type of “arms” or if they do, they just don’t care about the Constitution. You see, Public Act 98-127 criminalizes the transaction of body armor unless done face to face. In other words, if you live in Connecticut, you can’t buy body armor online or via a catalog (Military members, Law Enforcement, Judges excepted). New York is following suit and has legislation drafted to prohibit armor as well.

This seems odd... this... I'd almost call it a "basic right" to be protected. Oh, wait, it is...

Quote:

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) of the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights says, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

http://www.militianews.com/is-body-armor-legal-in-your-state/

Why would anyone prohibit a potential life saving device? after all, "If it saves just one life..."

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/federal-ban-body-armor-proposed-congress/

--Steve

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 11:16:54

0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:

Justin, does this mean you fared better or worse with your helmet. I assume it was you in the crash? Are you saying that the helmet caused your broken vetebrae? I guess you could call that breaking your neck. I think my Dad had something similar. Doctor told him that he had broken his neck or something like that. Dad chalks it up to either an incident long ago in the coal mines where he got his head smashed against the top during a transport ride, or a rollover in a Caterpillar track loader. Fell out of the seat and banged his head against the steel roll cage. I was there to see it (Well, maybe not all the head-banging details). And, folks, that's why you wear your seatbelt while working heavy machinery. But Dad's one of those old timers. At least now he has a truck that beeps incessantly if he doesn't wear it. ::) ;D

Walkin' away with a broken neck and not even knowin' it.... ::) Whodathunk?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 12:55:46

382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:

n fact, a helmet would have been a fulcrum between neck and shoulder, breaking my neck certainly.

What is ambiguous about that?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 17:57:57

Read your own quote again.

"Neither is a helmet. In fact, a helmet would have been a fulcrum between neck and shoulder, breaking my neck certainly. Instead, I cracked three vertebrae. And walked away."

So, you didn't wear a helmet and cracked 3 vertebrae and walked away???

"In fact...would have been... Instead... "

Get the picture? And you say I lack logic?

Justin, you sure must have a hard head. :D

Then again...I guess you're simply saying that it could have broken your neck but didn't. I guess I was reading too much into it.

I got it now... I think you should have used "could" instead of "would."

Different implications. ;)

Think of it like this... "It would have been this way if I had worn a helmet" as opposed to "It could have been this way, but it didn't."

"Would" tends to imply necessity while "could" simply implies possibility.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 18:05:19

Or... are you saying you did break your neck, but you mistakenly used the word "instead." :-?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 18:50:55

Your reading comprehension is the problem.
I did two pages of my sisters term paper.
Zero red marks.
Her teacher asked her who helped her.
I'm not even gonna Try to explain what I said. I will point out that only you can't get it. Are you beginning to see a pattern here?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 19:31:38

Mom agrees. You sound like you didn't wear a helmet.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/16 at 19:46:16

I'm sure she tells you daily how smart you are.
And good looking,
And how One Day you're gonna make someone a good husband.

Drag your mommy in again.

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 21:02:25

So I have to go wake up a stranger and ask him, "Hey, read this. What does that sound like to you?"

You think this is really a case of mommy bias buttering me up? Really?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/28/16 at 21:06:46

Let's see what everyone else thinks.

Hey guys, Justin doesn't think I have good reading comprehension. I say his words may be misconstrued. Who's right?

Quote:

What is wrong with this statement?

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by Ruttly on 07/28/16 at 21:15:56

IDK I don't teach English ! But for sure its English !

Title: Re: As stupid does
Post by Paraquat on 07/29/16 at 09:04:01

616A6763726C6775603036020 wrote:

Walkin' away with a broken neck and not even knowin' it.... ::) Whodathunk?

Back when men were men.

--Steve