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Message started by raydawg on 01/03/17 at 11:35:29

Title: What's the difference...??
Post by raydawg on 01/03/17 at 11:35:29

Refusing to bake a cake.
Refusing to serve you.
Refusing to sell to you.
Refusing to rent to you.
Refusing to to work/provide a service for you.
Refusing to allow others to speak.....

Please, looking for an explanation as to why it's not intolerant to refuse one person, and not another?
How is not performing at the inauguration based on a belief not the same as refusing any other person for the same reason?

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/17 at 12:42:55

The baker was being asked to enter into a contract that would make him a part of a celebration of a union that he couldn't do zin good conscience. It's a question of property rights and religious freedom and freedom of choice of association.

Declining to perform at an inauguration? Well, I don't know Why that wouldn't be just as horrible to those who thought the baker was wrong. . I don't see how the outrage that was expressed over the baker, who had so many good, legal reasons for denying to perform the request isn't being poured out on the bigots who refuse to perform at the inauguration. . .
They have a right to refuse to contract? Good question Ray.
I'm just waiting for the People who used to buy their music to stop. The Dixie Chicks got political and paid for it.
Taking a political stand alienates about half of the country.
I know there are movies I won't watch because of who is in them.

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by raydawg on 01/03/17 at 12:51:27

Jog, I really am not looking for everyone's own preference, and explanation, as to why.
I think we ALL are entitled to such, it really is a good thing, a diverse thing, that if honestly shared by both parties/view points, we can learn and grow in understandings and maybe be a little wiser as such.

Please folks, if anyone even replies ;D
Just answer the question as posed, thanks!

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by T And T Garage on 01/03/17 at 13:25:08

Perhaps the difference is that if you "hang your shingle" and do business to the public, you are held to a different standard than if you're an entertainer who is being solicited.

Not sure if that's the right interpretation, but I imagine it's along those lines....

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by Serowbot on 01/03/17 at 13:49:37

4E505F5E534E55483A0 wrote:

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by MnSpring on 01/03/17 at 16:35:20

3E2D35282D3B2B4C0 wrote:

Refusing to bake a cake. ........"

Refusing to bake a cake.

It was NOT, ‘refusal to bake a cake’.
It was, Following a belief, to not sell a cake, biased, on that persons, ‘beliefs/religion’.
(Which is, apparently, OK, for some believes, but not others)

Refusing to serve you. / Refusing to sell to you.

Well, a Question, for a question.
What happens, when someone is hungry, and they are barefoot, and have No shirt on. (Yes they have pants on)
They go into a restaurant, (which has a Sign on the Door),
“No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service” What happens?
Now, take it one step further, That person, has no shoes/shirt,
BUT, they are wearing a headband, which says: ‘I am a xxxxx)
(Fill in the X’s with your favorite, ‘more rights than other people’, people)
Now what happens?

Refusing to rent to you.

If it is biased on that persons ability to PAY, the rent, or to, NOT Trash the place.
Refuse, every day, every time. (REGARDLESS, of race,color,creed,religion). If a person, Can pay, and are refused as to: ‘race,color,creed,religion’. There are Laws, and lawyers to get paid, to prove one side to the other.

Refusing to to work/provide a service for you.

Grey area, What does the Contract say, you signed, when you went to work for that person/company?

Refusing to allow others to speak…..

I Believe, their is, (in this Country), a amendment for that.
Unless it can cause Harm, ‘Fire’ in a crowded place, ‘Hi to your friend Jack’, on a airplane at 30,000ft. etc.

On all of these.
A LOT more information, needs to he had.
A LOT !

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by raydawg on 01/03/17 at 17:39:01

5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:

[quote author=4E505F5E534E55483A0 link=1483472129/0#3 date=1483478708]Perhaps the difference is that if you "hang your shingle" and do business to the public, you are held to a different standard than if you're an entertainer who is being solicited.

Not sure if that's the right interpretation, but I imagine it's along those lines....

Bingo... 8-)

Also,... participation in a political event is a bit of an endorsement...
You can't be forced to participate...

Refusal based on race, sex, orientation, etc... are protected... not being an a$$hole...[/quote]

Who is talking forced?

I am talking tolerance.
According to you because he won on the republican ticket as a white straight, etc, you can therefore excuse yourself.

I see nothing has changed from your perspective, well that sure has worked.....

So, if new laws are now passed, you will be 100% for their implementation, say, repeal the bathroom gender laws?

I mean, you hang a single out to serve people, then don't, its against the law, yes?
You honor it, or only those you care to?

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by raydawg on 01/03/17 at 17:41:35

1E3D0023213A3D34530 wrote:

[quote author=3E2D35282D3B2B4C0 link=1483472129/0#0 date=1483472129]Refusing to bake a cake. ........"

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/17 at 18:42:03

And I pointed out how difficult it is to Find a simple and reasonable answer, and agreed that you've asked an interesting question. And you chided me for pointing out, once again, that the baker was within his rights. The question I have is, what do those entertainers base their Right of Refusal ON?
Then, as people, don't we All have a right to choose with whom we will associate and with whom we will contract?
What happens when laws are passed that take away our natural rights to Choose with whom we will contract?

Title: Re: What's the difference...??
Post by MnSpring on 01/04/17 at 15:49:02

But again, I was looking for a simple explanation.
difficult it is to Find a simple and reasonable answer
Not possible.

Simple question: “Refusing Service”
Simple Answer: ‘YES’.

How many, ‘what if’s’, are in that. How many ’Spins’ are in that. How many, ‘You Said, so You are…” in that ?

“Refusing Service”
If a ’Sign’, is announcing, a refusal of service, on some term or another, Why is that not enough?
Can Anyone point to a example of a sign saying: “No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service”, or the, Absence of a sign, saying: ‘we don’t have/sell, xyz’ ?
Ever being challenged ?
That may be a bad business move, or not. But it is the CHOICE, of that business!
(Unless it violates, a law, like, (Oh, your skins is this color yes, or you skin is that color than, no”)

‘ as people, don’t we All have a right to choose with whom we will associate ‘ (with)
So, someone has a new gun, and they wish to show it off, will they go it at a ‘gun club’, or with a gathering of like minded people, that they know. ?
Or will they show it to people, that have no interest in it. ?
(I use a gun as a example, like someone else, may show me, their new, ‘Jet-Ski’, which I could care less about, but their are many that would be pleased to see it, try it). So, Why could I not do, what common sense dictates ?

“What happens when laws are passed that take away our natural rights to Choose with whom we will contract?"
Someone get’s a Job, the job is drive a truck for delivery, which can contain, a Alcohol product, (Notified of this in the CONTRACT, they Signed.)
But refuse to drive such a truck, and get paid, BIG, money to NOT drive that truck, even though, one signed a ‘CONTRACT’, saying they will drive that truck.
OR, Someones belief is Not, to drive a Truck, containing a certain product, and that person says: “I cannot drive such a truck containing that item”. And someone else says: “You MUST, sign the Contract to Drive that Truck”.
Their IS, a Difference !