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Title: Paper Money ? Post by MnSpring on 01/10/17 at 20:40:46 Paper Money OK, what is the censuses, about. Paper Money vs, tangible things, (land, bouillon, guns, other, non depreciateable items) Stay the course, or, get rid of the ‘paper’ ? As little as 20 years ago, could have bought ALL Sorts of firearms, then 150-250, Same ones, 2 months ago, worth, 550-750, Today, 425-625. Thoughts? No need for the, ‘lost', to respond. I know what their suggestion would be. (“The Sky Is Falling, because the DNC is Not in charge, so everything will turn to sh i t”) What ever good intentions, Trump, may do. They may be totally, sabotaged, by the, ‘lost’, people, and the, ‘go ‘ol Boys’. Just to say: “See Told Ya So”, (as all indications are now pointing to, as to ’their’, total UN-Willingness, to work together, and communicate). |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 00:24:12 I think this very short clip says it best LOL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Z6qWRugCY |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Paraquat on 01/11/17 at 06:21:44 Land is the only thing God's not making more of. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 11:26:56 Study what has been happening in Venezuela. What could they have done to protect themselves from hardship and loss? Without knowing more about you, your abilities, financial situation, it's not easy to answer your question. I'm not sure I'd answer it here.. I already started over twice.. If you want to call and talk about stuff, PM me. I'll give you my number. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 11:38:16 Both sides have merit, no? However, a very wise man once told me - there is only so much land, buy whatever you can afford. I guess the same holds true with precious metal. Paper is only a promise, but it's backed by the US, so... A good debate question MNS. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 12:02:23 Venezuela's money, the Weimar Republic's money, they were backed by the nation.. Our Big advantage stems from the deal with Saudi Arabia to only buy and sell oil in dollars. THAT gave our dollars intrinsic value. The Tally Stick was the only currency accepted for paying taxes. In one respect they were a Fiat currency, but, since that was the only way you could pay your taxes, they had value and were desired and sought after. If enough oil starts being bought and sold using monies other than the dollar, then global demand for the dollar drops. Odd, innit? Ol Saddam Hussein and that crazy Libyan had both been talking about Not accepting dollars for their oil. saddam hussein announces no dollars for oil Gaddafi doesn't want dollars for oil I don't want to see our dollar crash, but I don't appreciate the government using the media to tell me that we are gonna go blow the place up to save the people from their Eeevil dictator. What ever happened to the Spoils of War? Why isn't Our flag flying over the places where we went to Spread some democracy? Seems like we could be importing the oil and saving billions. I Feel it in the back of my head. It's not quite ready,, Somehow it would upset the need/demand for dollars? I have a smart friend, next time we talk I'll try to remember to ask. He Might conjecturize up a reasonable sounding excuse for invading but not taking the place over. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 13:49:46 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 14:06:15 7F4E5D4E5E5A4E5B2F0 wrote:
yea but it is also the only thing you pay tax on even after you own it |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 14:09:29 I'm still trying to understand Why we spend all the Blood and Treasure to stomp someone and Not plant our flag. The oil is right there, and it's so cheap to produce in some places. Lots of places don't even have pump jacks. They have to run the oil through choke valves to restrict the flow. There's a reason why we don't just take these places and call them a territory, but I don't know what it is yet. Seems like the sale of the oil would pay for the repairs to everything, BUT, by wrecking the production it takes Those barrels off the global market. There's a price point on a barrel of oil that is beneficial to our economy. I wish I could find the article I read the other day. So, why do you think we no longer go to war with the idea of To the victor goes the spoils? Someone is gonna call that Their country. I don't even Know who or what group is in charge in Iraq or Libya right now. I don't know how many barrels of oil are being produced and sold on the global market and who is pocketing the money. Hmmm,, now THERE'S a potentially really bad idea.. iraq selling oil on global market Lots to look at there.. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 14:29:36 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 14:51:38 495758595449524F3D0 wrote:
I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” [/quote] I am not well versed on it but what about west berlin after WWII |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 15:06:32 65404A5D1F161A1D2F0 wrote:
I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” [/quote] I am not well versed on it but what about west berlin after WWII[/quote] Good question - perhaps it was "imperatively demanded by the necessities of war"? |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 15:15:52 7A646B6A677A617C0E0 wrote:
I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” [/quote] I am not well versed on it but what about west berlin after WWII[/quote] Good question - perhaps it was "imperatively demanded by the necessities of war"? [/quote] without further research I will have to except that |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by verslagen1 on 01/11/17 at 15:31:48 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” [/quote] I am not well versed on it but what about west berlin after WWII[/quote] Good question - perhaps it was "imperatively demanded by the necessities of war"? [/quote] staggering reparations were demanded of germany after wwi, but not wwii. occupation is a different matter of course. so is seizure of military assets. seizure of property would be easier to show with east germany as it went communist. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 15:56:20 43504746595452505B04350 wrote:
I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” [/quote] I am not well versed on it but what about west berlin after WWII[/quote] Good question - perhaps it was "imperatively demanded by the necessities of war"? [/quote] staggering reparations were demanded of germany after wwi, but not wwii. occupation is a different matter of course. so is seizure of military assets. seizure of property would be easier to show with east germany as it went communist.[/quote] Yea but were talking about US policy not the former USSR's policy |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 16:20:26 I came across this: The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.” GOOD Find! Thanks, I've been wondering about that for a really long time. How about THAT! We actually follow a rule! We pay gazillions of dollars for smart hittles ( Who in their right mind would ever buy a Missle?) and smart bombs, then, as we Spread Democracy and Free the People from that Eeevil Gadaffi, in our zeal to improve their lives, we somehow managed to destroy the WORLD'S largest irrigation system. I'm pretty sure it wasn't being used to hide military equipment in, because That would make it a fair target.. I would really like to hear someone answer that question. The press never seem to think about it. Uhh, Mr. President, can you tell us Why, with the accuracy of our weapons, we accidentally destroyed that irrigation system, or was it done intentionally, and IF it was done intentionally, Why? Some of you may have noticed that That is a raw spot for me. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by verslagen1 on 01/12/17 at 08:19:49 The military intelligence of wwii decided that oil was a critical commodity but overlooked electricity as a critical necessity for mfg. These facilities were much more centralized and harder to replace. Not that I know anything about Libya (other than gold for oil) and for the most part seemed to be more or less peaceful for the last 10 years or so. Destroying any infrastructure would only ruin that peacefulness and incite unrestfulness and terrorism. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/17 at 08:30:44 Which is why I raised the question. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by MnSpring on 01/12/17 at 18:32:36 So, If, IF, SHTF, And a loaf of bread, becomes, $10.00, *Due to the, ‘banks’, STEELING” ! (When you put money in a, ’bank account’, (Paper Money), It was worth 1.00.) Do you think that a, ‘(pre 64, US, 1/2 dollar) at 90% Silver. Is going to hold the value it has as, ’silver’. ? (Or gold , whatever?) In a actual piece of metal, vs a Piece of Paper. ? Remember, History? Before the crash of 29, A Person, CASHED In, his, “Paper’, Stocks. And bought, Metal, (Gold Bars) (Actual Pieces of metal) Then Built exclusive, Chains of Hotels, During the time which, NO one HAD, ‘’Paper Money”. Which are STILL, Very successful today. ‘COULD’, that happen, again? |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/17 at 22:25:21 One of those old quarters, worn and beaten, Already costs more than a dollar. I think the dimes cost more than a buck. I would certainly recommend a bag of those coins. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Paraquat on 01/18/17 at 06:12:00 I thought this was the most intelligent thread I've seen here in ages. Well, at least one of the most thought provoking. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Trippah on 01/18/17 at 08:20:07 West Berlin was not seized by the US (and France and England)nor officially was east berlin seized by USSR; they were occupied zones ( a subtle linguistic difference I am sure to the folks who were living there at the time. It is an interesting question, why haven't we destroyed the Oil pumping ability of lands occupied by ISIS to eliminate a major source of income? I do not think the NEOCON vision was for the USA to annex the Middle East, just to me make it like us (capitalism) under a more compliant governmental form. :) |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Trippah on 01/18/17 at 08:28:22 Oh, and JOG, the firebombing of Dresden during WWII was not to destroy weapons, but to destroy the will of the German people to continue the War (I believe). As were Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the goal was to destroy the will, not the ability to fight. (Without water, fighting is a tough sell.) For a mildly inflammatory question ::) ::) do you think Putin promised Trump rights to develop super swanky hotels on the Black or Caspian Seas in return for a 180 degree change in us policy towards Russia's attempts to rebuild its Empire. Just a follow-up to the hotel thought earlier. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by MnSpring on 01/18/17 at 16:55:46 45637861617079110 wrote:
Don’t know. Was it before the election results? Was a, deal, made, “IF” ? Is the USA, going to a kina ‘limited’ Isolation ? Is it a, ‘better of two evils’, ? Is their some sort of, ‘exchange’ ? No proof on any, one way or the other. Do Know, what ever it, be/would be, is MUCH Better that, what H.R.C. and her ‘cartel’ would do. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by verslagen1 on 01/19/17 at 08:10:40 6F49524B4B5A533B0 wrote:
For Dresden, I believe that is correct. Bombing to destroy the will of the people. But H & N, it would be more correct to say we were holding the people hostage to destroy the will of the Government. And even then, there was an attempt by the military circumvent the emperors will. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/17 at 08:31:33 5E78637A7A6B620A0 wrote:
I doubt there was any talk of hotel locations in exchange for a sane foreign policy. To see Trump build in Russia wouldn't be a surprise. If you're a warmonger and pushing the globalist agenda, being offered places to put hotels won't be sufficient appeasement. Trump is invested in high end hotels. He NEEDS wealthy people, so they can rent his rooms. He NEEDS tourism. Poor people don't travel a lot, and who wants to visit a war torn country? Unlike all of the Invested in the duh fense industry Types, Trump benefits from peace and prosperity. The other politicians,,, ehhh, not so much. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Trippah on 01/19/17 at 14:12:14 I really do not think the wealthy are much impacted by the mess of war; their companies profit from them (the occasional Sadam H notwithstanding). I was just pulling the hypothetical leg, I don't think they plotted the future TRUMP Svestapol either. The interesting thing is that the value of the US dollar was reported yesterday as already falling, a favorite goal of "mega corp " as it will make them" more competitive " in the world market. We will see. This paper money vs gold standard vs oil standard is far beyond me but I feel my new Jetta slipping away. ::) |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/17 at 14:48:43 I don't see how war boosts five star hotels. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by Trippah on 01/19/17 at 15:00:49 The people involved in the war don't travel (per se) but the folks who fund, them, sell the weapons, gain control of new deposits of wealth (oil, gold, cadmium) etc do travel, and to 5 star hotels. If you think about it, what is a capitalist's worse product - something that never breaks or needs maintenance, once sold you make no more money. What is the best, something that is made, sold, used briefly and then destroyed so it must be replaced by your newer better product, among which weapons are a prime example. 8-) But its all good. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by MnSpring on 01/19/17 at 17:00:49 (Calling, researching, discovering) As to ’silver’. (coins) (as to known to be, USA minted Money, Pre 64, and NO, Numismatic, added value) ’Spot’ Price, is a, ’Sell’, Price, A ’Silver USA coin contains 90%’. At, $16.00, a 1/2 is 7.20, a Quarter is, 3.60, a Dime is, 1.40. (At today's paper dollar value) ’Spot’ price, - 10%. However, it seems, a, Silver Dollar, holds at, ’Spot’, despite, it also is 90%. If, Buying such coins, from a dealer, they charge, 10-20% More, than the, ’Spot’ price to purchase. This was a issue for me, If H.R.C. would have won, As I believe, bread was going UP. Now, it doesn’t seem like it ! The big thing, ’silver’, rounds, or bars, (not USA Coins), Even though, they are stamped with .999 Pure, and a Name. Several ‘coin/metal’, dealers, said their would be a, ‘Assay’, charge, on each piece. (to determine if it is, ‘really’) A Few dealers said, that was total B.S., because it IS, a known amount. So just a share, on what I found out. |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by pg on 01/19/17 at 17:15:04 0F29322B2B3A335B0 wrote:
Dresden was left untouched till it's destruction because it was a cultural center with no manufacturing. IIRC, more people died in Dresden then in H&N combined. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Paper Money ? Post by pg on 01/19/17 at 17:16:59 Just FYI - https://www.providentmetals.com/silver-eagles/uncirculated-silver-eagles.html Best regards, |
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