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Title: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/24/17 at 14:39:10 Sadly, not a surprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYZ8QQJO-hY |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by pg on 01/24/17 at 14:59:23 https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/23/kellyanne-conway-backpedals-trump-will-release-his-tax-returns/21661076/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/24/17 at 15:57:58 If he doesn't release them after the audit is done I will the first to call BS, until that time I think your beating a dead horse here. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by raydawg on 01/24/17 at 17:24:06 Are we entitled to such personal info? Think about it. Are we not innocent, until proven guilty? Doesn't probable cause, extend to everyone? Has this tax thing always been a prerequisite of the office? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/24/17 at 18:19:02 62716974716777100 wrote:
Nop ! But I STILL, want Frankin's Taxes, to see, how one becomes a Millionaire, from, Deeply In Debt. After being Elected !!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/17 at 19:05:27 I don't care about Trumps taxes.. Why the whining and crying? I think knowing about the college papers,, like Obama's, you remember Mister Transparency Who went to great lengths to seal his records.. I never really g o t that Here's my tax return Thing.. Who decided that? It's stupid. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by raydawg on 01/25/17 at 05:56:24 Well it is a privacy matter, at best, unless you have some creditable information that can meet a legal threshold to subpoena. As to deciding it's personal vs. public, thus entitled to view its contents.... Hillary allowed herself the luxury with her emails, server, etc... That wedding planning could be very darning if it was to ever get into the public domain ;D |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MShipley on 01/25/17 at 07:01:26 Most politicians spend their entire lives establishing a persona for the public eye, that includes their taxes, it is a charade that they could hold out in the general public to not be criticized for. Trump who is NOT a politician has not spent his life being politically correct in order to get votes. Everyone reading this would do everything they can within the law to pay as little tax as possible. Rich people like Trump do exactly the same thing. Is the issue with rich people NOT paying taxes the problem or are the laws that allow it the problem. This is why we need tax reform. Trump believes the system in which tax is imposed and then those that have the money to payoff to imposer gets an exception is wrong. We need so form of simple tax that does not take an IRS to enforce. Personally I like a consumer tax on everything but food. This way the poor pay appropriately for a Neon and the rich pay appropriately for a Lincoln. No need to file taxes, simply regulate at the point of sale. Very small IRS. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/17 at 07:17:01 Trump believes the system in which tax is imposed and then those that have the money to payoff to imposer gets an exception is wrong. I don't think you meant to say it that way. You can't believe that. He probably has a team of accountants and tax lawyers costing enough in a year to retire several of us for life. I'll bet he would prefer a more fair, certainly less intimidating, tax collection system. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/25/17 at 07:17:38 LMAO - well fellas/gals - then from now on, no matter who runs, the public has no right to ask to see their taxes.... cool? C'mon...... aren't you all being just a bit hypocritical??? SMH |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/17 at 07:22:44 I don't CARE about someone's blasted tax return. It Does frost my balls about hiding college papers. Tax returns are massaged by Professionals.. Using the power of the office to hide ones LIFE , the papers written, which offer a window into the ideology of that person, THAT is screwed up. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/25/17 at 07:23:23 574946474A574C51230 wrote:
actually the public never had a right to see their taxes it was a tradition not a right. Much like 2 terms was a tradition your boy FDR decided to not follow |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/25/17 at 09:40:45 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
LOL - Well then you should be happy that Obama's college transcripts were never sealed, right? (that's a fact) http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/ But let me get this straight - you're concerned about the papers written from a candidate? Obama's papers are out there for public consumption. Trump's are nowhere to be found... mainly because he's never actually written anything... So, let's then dismiss the fact that trump never really wrote about public policy/government/civics or whatever. What of his business? What of his buying chinese steel, his chinese clothing line, his 6 bankruptcies? Yeah, let's talk about trump's ideology..... If you notice, I still call him MY president. You have every right to defend him, I have every right to hold him accountable. Since he made it a big media event looking into Obama's birth certificate, then it's fair game to demand his tax returns be made public. End of story. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/25/17 at 09:48:21 70555F480A030F083A0 wrote:
LMAO "My boy" FDR?? Yeah, like I'm 90 years old.... So to be clear, the next candidate to run for president against trump will not have to release any financials, right?? yeah, right.... Maybe you should try looking at things without partisan glasses on. Both democrats and republicans have done great things for this country. They both need to be held accountable when necessary. That's the job of us. In the end, we get the president we deserve. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/17 at 09:49:09 I already know what his tax returns are going to show. He didn't pay a lot of taxes because he used lawyers to find the various loopholes. Probably has some income coming out of Russia or other areas of the world that we would call questionable. Probably had dealings with celebrities and politicians that they would rather not be made public which might be the real reason he stonewalling. i'm not sure there's anything on his tax return that would make me object to him. if someone could show beyond a shadow of a doubt that he knowingly and willingly withheld information to pay a substantial amount fewer taxes, that might be a problem. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/17 at 09:53:21 and of course we are all hypocrites on here! Sew being the chief among us. The rest of us fall in line under that. however, everyone should commit to explaining why their hypocrisy is slightly less hypocritical in the next guys hypocrisy! for example you could say I'm being hypocritical when I complained about Obama's use of executive actions yet I favor Trump's. You could make that charge. I could refute that by saying that so far most of his actions have been to reverse previous executive actions, his other actions have been done in the same manner Obama did which is to circumvent Congress. One other major difference I would say about Trump is he seems to have more people behind his executive actions that Obama did. But that just might be my impression. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/25/17 at 10:02:50 112324353223340B27342D460 wrote:
So you'd be cool with him accepting loans from russia? (that's the rumor anyway - his credit is pretty well shot here in the US, that's no secret.) To me, that signals a huge problem and conflict of interest. It's no different than taking a loan from Iraq. The fact is, he IS willingly withholding information that could potentially show his conflicts. What other reason is there to not release them? As to what he paid in taxes? I honestly don't care - if he played within the confines of the tax code - that's completely legal and good on him. Look at Steve Jobs - he drew a salary of $1 from Apple. His stocks in Apple was where he made his money and paid pennies in taxes... Sorry, this smells of deliberate concealment..... |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/25/17 at 11:10:12 372926272A372C31430 wrote:
So you'd be cool with him accepting loans from russia? (that's the rumor anyway - his credit is pretty well shot here in the US, that's no secret.) To me, that signals a huge problem and conflict of interest. It's no different than taking a loan from Iraq. The fact is, he IS willingly withholding information that could potentially show his conflicts. What other reason is there to not release them? As to what he paid in taxes? I honestly don't care - if he played within the confines of the tax code - that's completely legal and good on him. Look at Steve Jobs - he drew a salary of $1 from Apple. His stocks in Apple was where he made his money and paid pennies in taxes... Sorry, this smells of deliberate concealment..... [/quote] I am pretty sure we already covered the reason to not disclose your taxes during an audit, but you seem to not except that reasoning. But, just because you don't except it, because you yourself are wearing partisan glasses, doesn't make it any less valid. Oh an no I don't think you are 90, i called him your boy b/c he is a democrat, and I made the leap of faith that you probably have a man crush on him. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/25/17 at 11:34:15 5C797364262F2324160 wrote:
SMH - really? A man crush? Wow - um, exactly how old are you?? LOL I see that you don't read any of my other posts. I just gave trump props for going after big pharma. BTW, I'm not the one calling out others simply because they're a republican. You seem to have a problem with liberals. Oh well, your loss.. Since you have such a hate for us, I'll bet when you retire (if you're not already) that you won't accept that terrible democrat-produced medicare, huh? Yeah, the liberals have done nothing but hurt the country, right? LOL |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/25/17 at 11:56:52 5E404F4E435E45582A0 wrote:
SMH - really? A man crush? Wow - um, exactly how old are you?? LOL I see that you don't read any of my other posts. I just gave trump props for going after big pharma. BTW, I'm not the one calling out others simply because they're a republican. You seem to have a problem with liberals. Oh well, your loss.. Since you have such a hate for us, I'll bet when you retire (if you're not already) that you won't accept that terrible democrat-produced medicare, huh? Yeah, the liberals have done nothing but hurt the country, right? LOL[/quote] man crush was just an attempt to inject humor. No I don't hate liberals I just think more often their views are misguided and they cater to peoples emotions and neglect any assemblance of logic and reason. I have a long time till I retire so there is no way to know what will be available to me then, but since I pay social security if its still available I guess I should take advantage of it, well at least in part. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Trippah on 01/26/17 at 09:53:43 The issue of income taxes being made public is simply to reveal any conflicts of interest. Judges recuse themselves if they have a conflict of Interest, shouldn't other decision makers. However, income taxes are private and should not be required. How else to judge, hmmm? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Trippah on 01/26/17 at 09:55:11 spot of humor. Bumper sticker on a michican plated car. Voting is like driving R is for going backwards D is for going forward. ::) |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/26/17 at 18:49:57 3A242B2A273A213C4E0 wrote:
Still want, want to see Al Frankin’s Taxes, (IF, Trump publishes his, Frankin should ALSO !!!!!!! Still waiting to know, how one becomes a Millionaire, from, Deeply In Debt. For doing, NOTHING !!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/17 at 19:07:46 193F243D3D2C254D0 wrote:
D is for Delusion. The democrats have been running Detroit for a few years.. If THAT'S what going forward is, you can have it. Howzabout Chicago? I don't Know of a place where bubs have been running things for decades that suck like that. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/26/17 at 19:37:55 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
‘Gun Control” Works SO WELL. And Chicago, Proven it !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Trippah on 01/26/17 at 20:16:12 Sorry, but Chicago is not a gun control utopia, it is an NRA utopia where anyone can get a gun since there are millions available (legal, illegal, stolen) all for a toke or a bag. really, most of the killings are gang related, either killing each other off or the occasional bystander. It really is the by product of a intentional ghetoizing of a population and denying them (and truly themselves after several generations) of any hope of a productive job. 15 yr olds get prego so they can have status, the boys commit as much crime as possible while still juvies knowing they will only spend a few years at camp. Both parties helped create this because of our racist attitudes. U wold have to level the ghettos and disgtribute that population among the rest of the nation so they can learn self esteem, work and study skills. What do you think the odds are of that happening? :D |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/27/17 at 09:11:03 LMAO!! I just love the ignorant fools that comment on Chicago and have absolutely no clue. Hey there fellas, does the term "per capita" mean anything to you? Once again, the fear mongering right just throws out "look at Chicago" as a battle cry for more guns.... pathetic. Yes, even one killing is too many, but all the talk about my city is nothing but fear mongering and pot stirring. The fact is, Chicago doesn't even break the top 10 in per capita murder rate.... https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/ Whaaaa whaaaaaaa..... But yeah, keep up the great work on scaring the mindless right wingers away from Chicago - we don't want them here anyway. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/27/17 at 18:32:41 6B757A7B766B706D1F0 wrote:
Don't worry, won't be going their any more. (have been their 3 times) Safer walking the Streets in Baghdad, than Chicago IL. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/27/17 at 18:47:42 425C53525F425944360 wrote:
Of Course, (Altgeld Gardens), has Nothing to do with Chicago. Just like, (E Eh Crump Blvd / S 4th St) in TN has nothing to do with, Memphis TN. Just like, (Independence Ave / Prospect Ave) in MO. has nothing to do with, Kansas MO. Just like N. Mpls, has nothing to do with the City of Mpls. Keep, ‘Spinning’, LOLOOLOLOLOLO Think their is a Job Opening at CNN, I heard it pays 15.00 a hour ! |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/17 at 22:29:39 You take such comfort knowing Chicago is not the worst. Laugh, pretend we are ignorant of what is happening. Six shot in a restaurant,, gathered to remember someone killed the day before,, whatever,, Chicago is Bad, but since there are worse places, you laugh and shrug.. and the NRA is to blame,, uh huhh.. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/28/17 at 06:28:09 607E71707D607B66140 wrote:
Your right while Chicago is #1 in total murders it indeed is not # 1 per capita. It is actually 18 of 20. Oddly, do you know what else is 18 of 20? The number of Democrat mayors in the top 20. Coincidence, I think not. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/28/17 at 16:23:07 607E71707D607B66140 wrote:
Yep, 25 + years ago, Morton Grove IL, BANNED ALL HANDGUNS. Result: crime went UP !!!!!!!! Jut after, another city, in another State. (suburb of a bigger City, just like M.G. is of Chicago) REQUIRES, ALL, Heads of households to, OWN a GUN. Result: Crime Went DOWN. Well as told, (many times), ‘Observed Reality’, is Not ‘Really’, ‘Real.’. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 06:49:31 65467B585A41464F280 wrote:
Yep, 25 + years ago, Morton Grove IL, BANNED ALL HANDGUNS. Result: crime went UP !!!!!!!! Jut after, another city, in another State. (suburb of a bigger City, just like M.G. is of Chicago) REQUIRES, ALL, Heads of households to, OWN a GUN. Result: Crime Went DOWN. Well as told, (many times), ‘Observed Reality’, is Not ‘Really’, ‘Real.’. [/quote][/color] Thanks for displaying the ignorance I talked about. Where did I ever say that crime has not gone up? Try to pay attention, huh? lol |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 06:51:57 74576A494B50575E390 wrote:
Don't worry, won't be going their any more. (have been their 3 times) Safer walking the Streets in Baghdad, than Chicago IL. [/quote] LOL, no skin off my taint. BTW, you may want to learn the difference between 'their" and "there" - you won't look so stupid.... |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 06:57:34 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
Well then, I guess per capita numbers mean nothing, huh? Where did I blame the NRA? Where did I "shrug"? Nope, you're just being led around by the nose by the pot-stirring faux newz "reporters". Good luck with your reality. LOL |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 07:17:38 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
Don't worry, won't be going their any more. (have been their 3 times) Safer walking the Streets in Baghdad, than Chicago IL. [/quote] LOL, no skin off my taint. BTW, you may want to learn the difference between 'their" and "there" - you won't look so stupid....[/quote] I love when people have so little to say that they evoke the grammar police nuclear option. So, what do you have to say about the overwhelmingly democratic mayors that govern these cities? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 07:38:18 61444E591B121E192B0 wrote:
Don't worry, won't be going their any more. (have been their 3 times) Safer walking the Streets in Baghdad, than Chicago IL. [/quote] LOL, no skin off my taint. BTW, you may want to learn the difference between 'their" and "there" - you won't look so stupid....[/quote] I love when people have so little to say that they evoke the grammar police nuclear option. So, what do you have to say about the overwhelmingly democratic mayors that govern these cities?[/quote][/color] Oh dear, I'm so sorry for not responding to you....smh I have nothing to say about that, except that it's terrible. There is ZERO defense of it. Again, try to stay on point - which was - Chicago is a whipping post for the fear mongering right. That's ALL I said. Yeah, there's clearly a problem with illegal guns and murder in all the cities on the list. But I find it odd that guys like you point out that it's the democrats fault in those cities - but give no credit to, say, the democratic mayor of NY where murder and violence is down.... Typical I guess. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 08:29:03 Crime is down in NY not because of the current Democrat mayor, its b/c we had a republican mayor (Rudolph Giuliani) that took over a crime ridden city from a democrat (David Dinkins) and went along way in fixing the city. If given enough time Bill De blasio will screw it up again, hopefully he will lose this year and it will be a non issue though. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 08:34:48 72575D4A08010D0A380 wrote:
LMAO - oh.... ok. He's only been in for 3 years..... Again - typical response. Ignorance is your bliss I see. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 08:42:19 7A646B6A677A617C0E0 wrote:
LMAO - oh.... ok. He's only been in for 3 years..... Again - typical response. Ignorance is your bliss I see.[/quote] Idk where you live, but I spent my entire life living in NYC so I think I know a little more about the topic them you do. Look it up it is all factual. Rudolph Giuliani is the one who cleaned up NYC, you can try to say I am ignorant, but it is a fact and if you deny it you are ignorant sir. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 09:00:56 597C7661232A2621130 wrote:
LMAO - oh.... ok. He's only been in for 3 years..... Again - typical response. Ignorance is your bliss I see.[/quote] Idk where you live, but I spent my entire life living in NYC so I think I know a little more about the topic them you do. Look it up it is all factual. Rudolph Giuliani is the one who cleaned up NYC, you can try to say I am ignorant, but it is a fact and if you deny it you are ignorant sir. [/quote][/color] I live in Chicago - I'm not a fan of NY, but I just look at the numbers. I hate to point it out, but rudy hasn't been in office in 16 years.... sorry, all but irrelevant in the crime numbers of the last 8 years or so. You seemed to have overlooked Bloomberg (an independent for his final years as mayor), but hey, I'm not the one from NY, right? Crime under him dropped to 1950 levels.... how about that? Also hate to have to list out facts, but: http://mbprogress.connectionsmedia.com/public-safety/crime It's just not as easy as saying "I know you are, but what am I", is it? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 09:16:19 Bloomberg, a republican for most of his time as mayor, continued the vast improvements that Giuliani made. You cant deny that the city was in horrible conditions after years of Democratic control, and only after republicans took over were improvements made. Giuliani began these improvements and Bloomberg continued the improvements. De blasio took over and he started a war with the Cops. Just because he hasn't regressed to turn the city back to how the democrats left it is not a ringing endorsement of democrat control. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 09:26:14 2B0E041351585453610 wrote:
LOL!! If you define half as most... then um, OK.... Get over the democrat hate, huh? Yeah, rudy did some good things, but he was by no means perfect - neither was bloomberg or de blasio. But you hate the democrats so much, you're anticipating failure by de blasio, but it's just not happening. Sorry. Look at my posts, I hate the man trump, but I have hopes for my country. I truly hope I'm wrong about my complaints of trump, but so far, it's been less than encouraging.... De Blasio has continued bloomberg's success. Sorry if facts upset you. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 09:34:00 584649484558435E2C0 wrote:
LOL!! If you define half as most... then um, OK.... Get over the democrat hate, huh? Yeah, rudy did some good things, but he was by no means perfect - neither was bloomberg or de blasio. But you hate the democrats so much, you're anticipating failure by de blasio, but it's just not happening. Sorry. Look at my posts, I hate the man trump, but I have hopes for my country. I truly hope I'm wrong about my complaints of trump, but so far, it's been less than encouraging.... De Blasio has continued bloomberg's success. Sorry if facts upset you.[/quote] I don't hate democrats just their ideology. When almost all of the most dangerous murder ridden cities are run by democrats its logical to draw a connection between the two and anticipate problems when a democrat takes over. How would you explain the fact that democrat power and murder numbers increase proportionately? Just a horrible coincidence seen for decades? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 09:46:56 50757F682A232F281A0 wrote:
LOL!! If you define half as most... then um, OK.... Get over the democrat hate, huh? Yeah, rudy did some good things, but he was by no means perfect - neither was bloomberg or de blasio. But you hate the democrats so much, you're anticipating failure by de blasio, but it's just not happening. Sorry. Look at my posts, I hate the man trump, but I have hopes for my country. I truly hope I'm wrong about my complaints of trump, but so far, it's been less than encouraging.... De Blasio has continued bloomberg's success. Sorry if facts upset you.[/quote] I don't hate democrats just their ideology. When almost all of the most dangerous murder ridden cities are run by democrats its logical to draw a connection between the two and anticipate problems when a democrat takes over. How would you explain the fact that democrat power and murder numbers increase proportionately? Just a horrible coincidence seen for decades?[/quote] I can't explain it - it's truly terrible. Again, I was never defending the crime or passing blame. The point is - Chicago is far from the worst in terms of crime/murder per-capita. The righties use us as whipping post and it's just not accurate. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by pg on 01/30/17 at 11:42:07 6B757A7B766B706D1F0 wrote:
Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings .... How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that. The left has run that city for what 80 years.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 12:41:52 5344424E4151230 wrote:
Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings .... How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that. The left has run that city for what 80 years.... Best regards, [/quote] *sigh*.... Ahem.... PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!! It's actually MORE DANGEROUS to walk down the streets of St. Louis, Baltimore or Oakland....... Chicago alone has nearly 3 million people in 234 sq. miles. Missouri has barely 6 million people and 69 THOUSAND sq. miles...... So, for the last time..... PER-CAPITA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! And how many times do I have to say that I'm NOT defending the left or the right......??? Sheesh! It's like talking to a brick...... |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 12:51:45 4B555A5B564B504D3F0 wrote:
Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings .... How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that. The left has run that city for what 80 years.... Best regards, [/quote] *sigh*.... Ahem.... PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!! It's actually MORE DANGEROUS to walk down the streets of St. Louis, Baltimore or Oakland....... Chicago alone has nearly 3 million people in 234 sq. miles. Missouri has barely 6 million people and 69 THOUSAND sq. miles...... So, for the last time..... PER-CAPITA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! And how many times do I have to say that I'm NOT defending the left or the right......??? Sheesh! It's like talking to a brick......[/quote] Man your really big on this per capita thing, I wish you could get the leaders over at BLM to understand that concept. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by thumperclone on 01/30/17 at 12:57:52 Sheesh! It's like talking to a brick...... welcome to the brick yard ;D |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 13:00:29 54717B6C2E272B2C1E0 wrote:
Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings .... How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that. The left has run that city for what 80 years.... Best regards, [/quote] *sigh*.... Ahem.... PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!! It's actually MORE DANGEROUS to walk down the streets of St. Louis, Baltimore or Oakland....... Chicago alone has nearly 3 million people in 234 sq. miles. Missouri has barely 6 million people and 69 THOUSAND sq. miles...... So, for the last time..... PER-CAPITA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! And how many times do I have to say that I'm NOT defending the left or the right......??? Sheesh! It's like talking to a brick......[/quote] Man your really big on this per capita thing, I wish you could get the leaders over at BLM to understand that concept.[/quote][/color] LOL, the whole BLM, at its base, it aimed directly at that very thing.. If you look at conviction rates for similar infractions, minorities are far more likely to serve time over a non-minority for the same offense. Shots are taken a lot faster at a black minority than any other. It's not like the BLM is saying ONLY black lives matter, it's that they matter the SAME as others. Once again, the topic veers...... sheesh. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 13:00:52 5C405D45584D5A4B4447464D280 wrote:
Right? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by pg on 01/30/17 at 13:10:33 706E61606D706B76040 wrote:
That will make the family of the individual feel better who has a canoe where his head used to be. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 13:16:53 4255535F5040320 wrote:
That will make the family of the individual feel better who has a canoe where his head used to be. Best regards, [/quote] It's like talking to a tomato...... But I guess you have to have the last word.... Go ahead. smh |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 13:59:39 5B454A4B465B405D2F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 14:04:53 0E2B2136747D7176440 wrote:
[/quote] The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 14:35:24 I don't know where you got those numbers but your chopping up statistic to an age range that fits their narrative. I on the other hand look at total numbers by race b/c cops don't id check a person like a bouncer at a bar before they pull the trigger. according to the doj whites make up about 43% and blacks 22% of violent criminal offenders. https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/ The Washington post reported that 47% of those killed by cops is white and 24% is black. https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-police-2016/ do you see the connection? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by pg on 01/30/17 at 14:38:24 3C222D2C213C273A480 wrote:
Please site statistics with a source, the per-capita argument doesn't carry any weight when they are committing crimes. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 15:09:53 5146404C4353210 wrote:
Please site statistics with a source, the per-capita argument doesn't carry any weight when they are committing crimes. Best regards,[/quote] well it does as long as you use the criminal population and not the general population as your "capita" ;D |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/17 at 15:12:30 293E38343B2B590 wrote:
Please site statistics with a source, the per-capita argument doesn't carry any weight when they are committing crimes. Best regards,[/quote] My data was indeed flawed - my bad. As it turns out, it was based on incomplete FBI stats. However, I did find this read quite interesting and based on census and good FBI stats for 2015. Enjoy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.a7684fba0d4b |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/30/17 at 15:21:20 they use correct statistics but they analyzed them poorly. It you compare the demographics of the general population, like they did, with the demographics of those killed by cops then it appears biased. But, to compare those 2 is misguided because it implies that in an unbiased society all members of that society should be equally likely to be killed by a cop. That is fundamentally wrong, someone committing violent crimes logically would have a much higher likelihood of finding themselves in an altercation with a police officer that would lead to their death than your average joe working the 9 to 5. For this reason comparing the demographics of violent crime offenders to the demographics of those killed by cops is much more apropo, and when you do so you see that the statistics line up very nicely as I have previously stated and you can look at my previous post for links to back it up. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by verslagen1 on 01/31/17 at 09:02:51 Joe, I agree with your post, but will add some qualifiers that need further attention. They say population, but how many white/black/other are generally wandering about on the street? wouldn't it be great if the guns of the future were available now? instant choice of non-lethal rounds for those death by cop idiots. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/31/17 at 12:14:22 574453524D4046444F10210 wrote:
Can you elaborate I am not sure what you mean by "They say population, but how many white/black/other are generally wandering about on the street?" Yes having the option would be nice for police, but having never had anyone pointing a gun at me I wonder what it must be like to have to make those split second decisions in those high adrenaline situations. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by verslagen1 on 01/31/17 at 12:44:32 44616B7C3E373B3C0E0 wrote:
I know what it's like in compton, wilshire and pasadena, groups of blacks standing on each corner. but the mexicans don't do that in el monte and I don't see that anywhere else. Vs. the 9-5er kicking back at home. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/31/17 at 13:32:21 7C6F7879666B6D6F643B0A0 wrote:
I know what it's like in compton, wilshire and pasadena, groups of blacks standing on each corner. but the mexicans don't do that in el monte and I don't see that anywhere else. Vs. the 9-5er kicking back at home.[/quote] Well I understand that common areas to spend your time is a confounding variable, but I don't think your location should play that great a role. Simple since police are in the business of law enforcement they are concerned with individuals breaking the law regardless of their location and are thusly more likely to interact with them then those abiding the law. For that reason I was just trying to say that a statistical analysis comparing the death by cops rate seen in different races has to take this into account for it to be a fair analysis. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by verslagen1 on 01/31/17 at 14:55:20 40656F783A333F380A0 wrote:
I know what it's like in compton, wilshire and pasadena, groups of blacks standing on each corner. but the mexicans don't do that in el monte and I don't see that anywhere else. Vs. the 9-5er kicking back at home.[/quote] Well I understand that common areas to spend your time is a confounding variable, but I don't think your location should play that great a role. Simple since police are in the business of law enforcement they are concerned with individuals breaking the law regardless of their location and are thusly more likely to interact with them then those abiding the law. For that reason I was just trying to say that a statistical analysis comparing the death by cops rate seen in different races has to take this into account for it to be a fair analysis.[/quote] But, if equal populations are likely to be outside and harassed by cops then the analogy is false. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Joer0952 on 01/31/17 at 15:21:03 574453524D4046444F10210 wrote:
I know what it's like in compton, wilshire and pasadena, groups of blacks standing on each corner. but the mexicans don't do that in el monte and I don't see that anywhere else. Vs. the 9-5er kicking back at home.[/quote] Well I understand that common areas to spend your time is a confounding variable, but I don't think your location should play that great a role. Simple since police are in the business of law enforcement they are concerned with individuals breaking the law regardless of their location and are thusly more likely to interact with them then those abiding the law. For that reason I was just trying to say that a statistical analysis comparing the death by cops rate seen in different races has to take this into account for it to be a fair analysis.[/quote] But, if equal populations are likely to be outside and harassed by cops then the analogy is false.[/quote] well only if you assume that cops drive around and say "man im bored, nothings going on, you know what, pull up to those guys over there, lets screw with them for a while" |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 01/31/17 at 17:06:48 332D22232E332835470 wrote:
Wanna have a Picnic, don’t like flies on my potato salad. So, look to see, which park, has the least, ‘flys per capita’ But, ALL the Flyes, are on, my potato salad. Gosh, perhaps never considered all the, ‘other’ factors ? |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 01/31/17 at 17:22:57 02211C3F3D2621284F0 wrote:
Wanna have a Picnic, don’t like flies on my potato salad. So, look to see, which park, has the least, ‘flys per capita’ But, ALL the Flyes, are on, my potato salad. Gosh, perhaps never considered all the, ‘other’ factors ? [/quote][/color] LMAO!!! What the hell does that have to do with per-capita numbers??? Please, try to be a little more coherent, huh? (and really, learn how to spell, ok?) |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/17 at 19:29:59 A thousand murders in a city of ten thousand is something. A thousand murders in a city of ten million is quite another. Per Capita matters. But Not being the worst is not a great comfort. When fifty are shot on a weekend, something is wrong. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/17 at 06:37:42 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
*sigh*... again...... I NEVER DEFENDED THE MURDERS/VIOLENCE... I only said that Chicago is not the "murder capital" and is safer than Baltimore, St. Louis and several other major cities. LMAO!! Wow... I seriously don't know why it's so hard for everyone to understand that.... |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by Trippah on 02/01/17 at 07:26:36 I apologize for bringing this back on topic. Why is seeing a person's tax returns important? To see where they get their income so you can judge if his decisions are based on his beliefs, his income sources, or whatever. The recent incident where, while testifying before congress in his confirmation hearing, a candidate "forgot" his $100 million income from a source (Australian Pharamacy or something like that).(Was it the candidate for Health and Human services?) shows why it is important. If you do not see this basic correlation, you are indeed a brick. You may be a brick that is the foundation of this country but a brick none the less. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/17 at 08:42:11 34120910100108600 wrote:
Well said! Thanks for bringing it back on topic! Here's the excerpt: President-elect Donald Trump’s pick to lead the Treasury Department says his initial failure to disclose $100 million in assets was an “unintentional” oversight. Steven Mnuchin on Thursday told the Senate Finance Committee that revised documents he filed with the committee a day earlier showed the additional assets, and blamed the complexity of nominee paperwork for those assets missing initially. “As you all can appreciate, filling out these government forms is quite complicated,” he said. “The paperwork … was quite a job.” Um, “The paperwork … was quite a job.” ????? Yeah, just the kind of guy you want running the Treasury Dept. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/01/17 at 13:23:10 Almost as bad as head of state department not having a clue about the importance of protecting state secrets. The outrage today while pretending she w a s pure and innocent destroys your moral high ground. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/17 at 14:39:19 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
Hey look! It's the "I know you are, but what am I?" rebuttal. LOL Get over it - she lost. Meanwhile, this genius complains about the paperwork... yeah, great start for a nominee.... |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/01/17 at 14:47:35 I agree, that is lame. The job is gonna be a lot of paperwork. If he's not up for it,he should decline. I just can't help but enjoy watching people get all worked up over everything that is not okay with anyone who is not the same party as they are while they walk right by the illegal, immoral and stupid actions of their party. |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/17 at 14:59:18 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
The words you're looking for are "Quid Pro Quo" |
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Title: Re: Taxes... nope. Post by MnSpring on 02/01/17 at 16:15:56 67415A4343525B330 wrote:
100 Million, ‘forgot’, and the ultra-left whines and cries about it. Do a, ‘Paul Harvey’. By very, conservative sources (not political conservatism), it’ s 3.7 BILLION (Chicken Noodle News has it at, 8.7 Billion) The other highest (conservative), is 4.5 Billion. So for sake of numbers, let’s say 4, Billion. $4,000,000,000.00 (4 Billion) $100,000,000.00 (100 Million) Take away 7 Zeros, you have. 400.00 Dollars, vs 10.00 dollar. To ALL of us here, (guessing), 100 Mill is a rather Significant Sum of money. To someone worth 4 BILLION (+/-) ??????? And someone else, doing the accounting. ?????? Again, take away zeroes. You and me, it is like, 400 dollars, vs 10 Dollars. (It has been reported if Bill Gates, dropped a 500.00 bill on the sidewalk, it would cost him 1,500.00 to stop and pick it up) In MOST, of the places, a Very, ‘Posh’, dinner for two, could cost upwards of 200.00 In the Places the POTUS is Social, The same, dinner, (which would be classed as ‘average’) Would cost upwards of, 1,000.00. So could he, ‘forget’ a 10.00, (In OUR SPEAK), payment. ? Yep, I think so. Let’s see, “Reality”, (which is not really, ‘real’, as I have been told) In getting the paperwork together for this years Taxes, I discovered, a ‘UN REPORTED PAYMENT”, on last years Taxes, of a $1.37. I ‘Forgot about it’. Gee, Call CNN, Report It !!!!!!!!! |
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