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Title: 1984 Post by Serowbot on 01/26/17 at 14:57:46 George Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984 has topped Amazon’s best seller list just three days after Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” in an interview on Sunday’s Meet the Press. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 15:12:34 Really, 1984 is a book about big government (big brother) controlling language and thought and "truth" to fit its own agenda. It is almost a textbook on a leftist utopia. It is the world SJW's want. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by T And T Garage on 01/26/17 at 15:24:59 Is this really a surprise? The right-wing & neo-cons let trump in thinking they could mold him... lol NOPE! The alt-right LOVES this! Meanwhile, the general public, the republicans and the democrats, the progressives and the conservatives have to listen to the BS that the likes of conway and company spew to the public. America gets the president it deserves. Seriously.... remember that. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by raydawg on 01/26/17 at 15:43:03 YES.......BINGO. B CUZ the left IGNORED the DEPLORABLE FOR TOO DANG LONG!!!! The dems are having to learn how to speak/talk to ordinary people, WTF, HELLLLLL-O It ain't TRUMP, its folks tired of not being represented or listened to. He'll be gone pronto, but the movement, not.... If the left takes the fight to Trump, they will go off the cliff with him.... MARK MY WORDS! |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 15:43:15 2C323D3C312C372A580 wrote:
I think alternative facts is a stupid comment but 1984 is really a book on the left. They are the thought police suggesting things like implicit bias, they are the ones that want to control speech with pc culture. They are the ones of big government. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by pg on 01/26/17 at 15:47:13 372926272A372C31430 wrote:
Can you clarify the difference between the right & alt-right? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by T And T Garage on 01/26/17 at 16:06:11 53767C6B29202C2B190 wrote:
OK... so you're saying Big Brother is a liberal??? LOL Not sure how much bigger government can get than to try and govern a woman's right to choose... but that's a phony "liberal" stance, I know... Well, if we just talk about our new president, let's start with his wall. He's proposing to put tariffs on mexican imports to pay for the $15-20 Billion dollar "need". That's pretty big government. What's worse is that you and I will wind up paying for that tariff anyway... In the meantime, he's endangering our relationship with mexico. Another very Orwellian move - greenlighting the pipelines. For the greater good of the country - screw the protestors and the people it could adversely affect. Take away the power of the people.... Oh, and probably the greatest example of big brother trump is his constant barrage of tweets. He just will not stop. "I know what's best", "only I can fix things", "I'll build the best wall".... And of course, "alternate facts" |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 16:08:58 6176707C7363110 wrote:
Can you clarify the difference between the right & alt-right? Best regards, [/quote] They are totally different then true conservatism: http://www.dailywire.com/news/8638/what-alt-right-ben-shapiro inorder to preempt the Steven Bannon comments I will post this, although I know it will fall on deaf ears: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/19/bannon-alt-right-young-anti-globalist-anti-establishment-nationalist/ |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by T And T Garage on 01/26/17 at 16:15:08 3F282E222D3D4F0 wrote:
As I understand it, alt-right is a term that a "new breed" of right-wingers is using. They are aligned with white supremacists and neo-nazis. They're the ones you've seen saying "hail trump" at their meetings and giving salutes that mimic the nazi salute. Those on the right (again, as I understand it) are more traditional republicans. They hold their convictions tightly and don't waiver on any republican stances. No matter what. However, they're not racists. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 16:23:25 544A454449544F52200 wrote:
As I understand it, alt-right is a term that a "new breed" of right-wingers is using. They are aligned with white supremacists and neo-nazis. They're the ones you've seen saying "hail trump" at their meetings and giving salutes that mimic the nazi salute. Those on the right (again, as I understand it) are more traditional republicans. They hold their convictions tightly and don't waiver on any republican stances. No matter what. However, they're not racists.[/quote] Agreed, although it is important to note that many uninformed people will consider themselves alt right, not understanding this though |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/17 at 16:35:58 Ohh, the alt right,, you mean the people who are not interested in perpetual war to enrich the powerful. The people who want borders to BE borders. How many of you have even Bothered to read Cloward and Piven? Stay in the dark and scream. What caused Trump to Be a viable candidate is what I have been talking about. Both sides have been telling us one thing, doing another. The left have sat quietly while their guy did nothing but invade and kill. What happened? If a bub had been doing what Obama did the left would have been screaming. If a bub hadn't seen 3% growth they would have been going crazy. Watch this Oprah interviews Trump. Pay attention, he doesn't WANT the job. D.C.created a need for a businessman who needs America to be healthy in order for his business, his family, and We the People. So far it looks like he Wants to help America get ahead. Unlike every other president since JFK. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg GET Over yourselves. Trump has done more FOR YOU since the election than any President I can remember getting things done in four years. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING , they did had Unintended Consequences, not unforeseen or unforeseeable consequences, and I saw many of them, but few listened. Well, it's the left and right who still cry because Trump IS the president who created the flood of passion that propelled him into office. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 16:53:34 2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:
While I agree with many of the alt rights positions, the racism stuff is a huge deal breaker |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/17 at 16:56:14 What racism? |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 17:05:35 7B646265787F4E7E4E76646823110 wrote:
I took this from a news article: I despise political correctness with the fiery hatred of a thousand suns, but I believe there’s a difference between political incorrectness and bigotry, or political incorrectness and vulgarity. They’re not the same thing. It is politically incorrect to point out that black Americans commit a wildly disproportionate share of crime, or that Jews comprise an outsized percentage of successful media moguls, doctors, and lawyers. It is also politically incorrect to point out that cultural stereotypes are sometimes rooted in reality. It is racist, however, to tweet the word “n*****” at a black person, and it is anti-Semitic to tweet a meme of a stereotypical hook-nosed Jew controlling the world or greedily collecting shekels. There is a difference between the two. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by raydawg on 01/26/17 at 17:13:15 What I feel is YES, much of the "stuff" Trump is doing was taboo..... It was ridiculed by the dems, media, academia elitist. PC'ness was/is,effectively, censorship, no dialogue allowed, and campuses where shut down, to open exchange of ideas. America should be able to withstand free speech..... However, well, Trump is now the flip side, and the left cries foul, and justifies hate. When you don't ALLOW debate, exchange, input, and lose your pulpit, well, what did you think was going to happen? They would extend to you, what you wouldn't, extend to them? Go figger. I just think Trump needs to use Vaseline, is all.......I mean, friction is friction ;D |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 17:32:03 485B435E5B4D5D3A0 wrote:
Using Vaseline, as you call it, is part of the problem. To suggest that one needs to be coddled is condescending. Facts are facts they should not require "vaseline". If facts offend someone then that is their shortcoming and it shouldn't be the requirement of the one relaying the facts to water it down or tip toe around it. Facts don't care about feelings and if someone is to delicate to listen to facts objectively then I suggest that they have some growing up to do. |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 17:33:30 0A2F253270797572400 wrote:
Using Vaseline, as you call it, is part of the problem. To suggest that one needs to be coddled is condescending. Facts are facts they should not require "vaseline". If facts offend someone then that is their shortcoming and it shouldn't be the requirement of the one relaying the facts to water it down or tip toe around it. Facts don't care about feelings and if someone is to delicate to listen to facts objectively then I suggest that they have some growing up to do and maybe the onus should be on them to except these facts and change their narrative.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by raydawg on 01/26/17 at 17:52:27 I can't disagree with your assessment, however, if we are to sell ice cubes to Eskimos, we should pretend its hot, first ;D |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 18:25:08 3E2D35282D3B2B4C0 wrote:
No a good analogy because selling ice to eskimos by lying to them is the opposite of what I'm saying, because it is contrary to the facts. You will never please everyone, and if you try to by pandering to them you not only subvert the truth and give credence to their falsehood, you embolden then and this will snowball into the pc, thought policing we have today |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by MnSpring on 01/26/17 at 18:27:03 637D72737E637865170 wrote:
Really ???????? Let’s see, you are stating/defining, a, ’New”, PC word. Used to be: “10% L or R” (Those 10%’ers, are un swayed, and are TOTALLY L/R) Then the 20%’ers. (Those are the people that, ‘lean’, to the R/L) Then their is the, ‘Middle”. So we now know the ’New’ PC word, for the 10%’ers to the right. So the 10%’ers to the Left, accept the, (New PC Word, ‘Ultra-Liberal) ? Right ????? So what is the new, ‘PC Correct”, word for the 20%’ers, to the L/R ? What is the new, ‘PC Correct”, word for the 40%’ers, in the Middle ? ( NOTE: % Numbers vary on many things, but you get the idea) So, to be, ‘Politically Correct’, what exactly is the ’new’, PC word for, someone who is 30% +/-, to the Right ???????? |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/17 at 19:12:31 Knowledgeable |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by raydawg on 01/26/17 at 19:18:03 4762687F3D34383F0D0 wrote:
No a good analogy because selling ice to eskimos by lying to them is the opposite of what I'm saying, because it is contrary to the facts. You will never please everyone, and if you try to by pandering to them you not only subvert the truth and give credence to their falsehood, you embolden then and this will snowball into the pc, thought policing we have today[/quote] You understand the nuance of sarcasm? |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/26/17 at 19:39:32 796A726F6A7C6C0B0 wrote:
No a good analogy because selling ice to eskimos by lying to them is the opposite of what I'm saying, because it is contrary to the facts. You will never please everyone, and if you try to by pandering to them you not only subvert the truth and give credence to their falsehood, you embolden then and this will snowball into the pc, thought policing we have today[/quote] You understand the nuance of sarcasm? [/quote] Sometimes sarcasm is difficult to discern when you only have words and not other cues to rely on |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by T And T Garage on 01/27/17 at 09:19:37 597A4764667D7A73140 wrote:
Wow - a little touchy aren't we?? LOL Get over yourself, huh - White nationalist Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 to define a movement centered on white nationalism Yeah, he's a real PC guy, right? |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by MnSpring on 01/27/17 at 19:41:57 140A050409140F12600 wrote:
Na, Just had a few ‘crumbs’ , to Throw over the Bridge. LOLOL |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by thumperclone on 01/28/17 at 01:28:56 tweety thrives on friction |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by piedmontbuckeye on 01/28/17 at 06:36:10 4C525D5C514C574A380 wrote:
As I understand it, alt-right is a term that a "new breed" of right-wingers is using. They are aligned with white supremacists and neo-nazis. They're the ones you've seen saying "hail trump" at their meetings and giving salutes that mimic the nazi salute. Those on the right (again, as I understand it) are more traditional republicans. They hold their convictions tightly and don't waiver on any republican stances. No matter what. However, they're not racists.[/quote] While I don't care to get into the definition of "Alt-right" I am a Constitutional Conservative and an extreme "Right" person - after all, going right - as far as the Founding Fathers can't be too right can it? I have yet to see one "Right" person ever do the Nazi salute or be racists in the systematic sense. It is true that there are racists everywhere, on both sides (Liberal and Conservative) but not encased in the system - that is, at least not the system of the Right, but very much so in the system of the Left and the Democrats. They are full of racists! Building the wall between us and Mexico, doesn't endanger anything except for the millions of ILLEGALS who come over and mooch off us, and suck us dry of money! If that offends the president of Mexico then so be it. It is what straight thinking Americans want. Part of being a "Conservative Constitutionalist" is also being free market (unless there is illegal actions) and that does trouble me about Trump. In enacting tariffs on imports, it just denies American citizens the benefits of products and lower prices! |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by WebsterMark on 01/29/17 at 05:40:16 2731263B23363B20540 wrote:
I think that was from people wanting to read up on what Obama had been doing the previous 8 years.....! Seriously, anyone invoking 1984 is as ridiculous as those idiots with Hitler signs at these protests. Melodramatic much?..... |
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Title: Re: 1984 Post by Joer0952 on 01/29/17 at 11:43:31 360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
I think that was from people wanting to read up on what Obama had been doing the previous 8 years.....! Seriously, anyone invoking 1984 is as ridiculous as those idiots with Hitler signs at these protests. Melodramatic much?.....[/quote] 1984 is the SJW bible |
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