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Title: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by savagebruh on 01/29/17 at 16:54:04 I had my bike serviced a couple months back and everything seemed to be fine. I go to ride it today after its been sitting for a couple weeks. It starts up pretty much fine but once I start riding at every intersection when I'm slowed down around ten mph or stopped the engine dies. I then have to turn it on again and it struggles to start, I have to crank the throttle a lot to get it on. It happened at about ten lights and stop signs. Not fun at all having to restart in traffic. After about half an hour this problem seemed to go away. But I was also having problems simultaneously with getting it out of neutral and into first gear. Sometimes when I push my foot down it won't shift. A few times I had to stand up and kick really hard to get into first. I assume these problems aren't related entirely but both are causing me a lot of stress at intersections. I was wondering if anyone knows what could be causing either of these issues? |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by verslagen1 on 01/29/17 at 18:04:26 23312631373532222538500 wrote:
idle speed too low? Quote:
That tells me it's flooded, normally you can't touch the throttle when starting or it won't Quote:
And normally when warm it idles a little faster. up the idle speed and if you upped the idle jet, consider going back down, or clean your filter or lean out your idle mixture Quote:
Try letting the clutch out a little and pushing down on the shifter. Quote:
Never do this you'll bend the dogs and it'll only get worse. Quote:
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by Dave on 01/29/17 at 18:06:55 Don't kick your bike into gear.....you will bend the shaft between the shift lever and the connection at the shaft that goes into the transmission. If you have trouble getting the bike into gear - rock the bike forward/back a bit......or let the clutch out and then when you pull the clutch lever back, try putting it into gear right after you pull the lever in (don't wait long). Do you still have the stock vacuum petcock on the bike? They can go bad, and they can cause all kinks of weird running/stalling problems. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by batman on 01/29/17 at 18:21:45 Don't shift into neutral at a light ! Just hold the clutch in ,if it starts to stall you can give it a little throttle to keep it running. If it continues to stall after you increase the idle,you may want to test your petcock ,and /or adjust the air screw,READ about these in the technical section.You can set the idle speed on a level road bike in 1st gear throttle closed,the bike should do 8-10 mph ,if not your idle screw is set to low. If you do a little research on the site you would learn about everything we have stated above,plus you would know that the more info you give us the more pointed and helpful our answers. things like year ,mileage,stock,mods ,etc. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/17 at 19:05:05 When it warmed up,it was okay. Try using your choke After it's started. I adjust the idle speed when I'm taking the first ride of the day. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by savagebruh on 01/29/17 at 19:10:34 Thanks for the great advice, I'm pretty poor at mechanical knowledge. I've tried searching for this problem but hadn't found anything so I just asked directly. It's a 2004 with about 27,000 miles. The exhaust was a Supertrapp but I switched it back to the stock one. I didn't know I could be damaging the bike by kicking it. Good to know. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by savagebruh on 01/29/17 at 19:11:49 So once running, ride with the choke out for a bit? |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/17 at 19:30:54 Try that, if it is still running too low RPM, adjust the idle. Low idle equals a dead cam. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by batman on 01/29/17 at 19:50:42 Do you have a stock petcock? If you do you need to test it! check your oil/air filter for the smell of gas. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by ohiomoto on 01/30/17 at 05:32:46 073C3126373B20263D353827540 wrote:
This! I found out that my shaft was bent after it BROKE when I went to put it into gear at a light. I had to use a wrench from my tool kit to pop it into second gear and ride it all the home in 2nd gear. No fun. My bike was shifting perfectly fine until it broke. Then it got really spongy and broke right away. I guess the previous owner had done something mean to the lever at some point. Since yours has been abused, I would make sure the rod isn't bent. If it is, replace it before it breaks. I got mine for $6-$7 from Partzilla. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by stewmills on 01/30/17 at 07:34:12 While ordering other parts, I went ahead and ordered an extra shifting rod and keep it in my bike's breakdown kit. H ope to never need it, but it's a nice $7 insurance policy if I am ever out in the sticks and that is all I need to get home. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by Kenny G on 01/30/17 at 07:46:28 Somewhere I have seen that someone reinforced the shifting rod with a piece of steel tubing the was slipped over the rod and held in place with epoxy. If I ever have to take the shifting rod off I will probably do this. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by savagebruh on 01/30/17 at 11:51:21 darn well I hope I haven't kicked that thing too hard to break it. I'll check it out. It seems like I should check the petcock for sure and or adjust the idle speed. I have zero tools and know how so we'll see how it goes. [ch128517] |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by norm92de on 01/30/17 at 14:24:11 One thing about the stock petcock is that it has a rubber? diaphragm in it which turns on the fuel when the engine is running. I have had trouble with these diaphragms on all sorts of vehicles, they definitely do NOT like ethanol. When you change over to the raptor petcock you will never look back, except when you fall off the bike. ;D I'm surprised that the enrichment valve doesn't give trouble as well? |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by batman on 01/30/17 at 20:03:03 savagebruh, When you switched back to the stock muffler did you rejet the carb? you could be running very rich. If you didn't you should check jet sizes stock are, 52.5 idle ,145 main . |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by Kruzader on 01/31/17 at 00:12:12 7C6E796E686A6D7D7A670F0 wrote:
Like you, I am not that moto mech savvy, but with the help of other members and around $50 dollars, I fixed my bike from turning off at stops or around first gear. For tools all you need is a philp screw driver, some pliers, a utility knife. Screw driver to detach the petcock, pliers for the clamps, and a utility knife to cut the hose. OH YEA and 2 minor things, a container to drain the gas tank (before you even start anything)...and the rubber cap to close a piece of the carburator. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1315418285 |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by savagebruh on 01/31/17 at 00:32:05 I didn't rejet the carb. I have noticed too since I changed the exhaust it pops a lot more which I figured was from not re jetting. I didn't know it could be contributing too the engine dying too. Glad to know someone else with little experience has been able to fix this same problem. Thanks for the advice, makes me feel less intimidated. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by batman on 01/31/17 at 10:11:45 You might want to revisit your muffler install ,an air leak where the muffler and exhaust pipe meet can cause increased popping. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by HAPPYDAN on 01/31/17 at 10:40:34 I didn't see it, but did anyone mention the clutch may need some adjustment? I had a hard shifting problem awhile back, and it just needed a little clutch adjustment. I guess, like anything else that moves, the plates wear a little over time, cables stretch, etc. And I'll chime in on that petcock. It's been the source of many unhappy Savage riders. Put it on PRI and ride for awhile and see if that helps. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/17 at 14:40:44 I don't understand why anyone would even wait. Unless you are just determined to have a vacuum operated petcock, and some just simply prefer it, knowing what the eventual result will be, but I bought a Raptor petcock about a week after I got the bike. I installed it when it was valve adjust time. It was leaking. Versy, I think the spring inside the petcock would cut down and make a great spring for the Verslavy last mod. It's very flat on the ends. |
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Title: Re: Bike dies at lights or won't shift into 1st. Post by verslagen1 on 01/31/17 at 15:17:45 2E3137302D2A1B2B1B23313D76440 wrote:
I have to check it out, got a couple sitting in a box doing nothing. But I did find 1 that I want to check, found it in the plumbing section. 8-) |
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