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Message started by T And T Garage on 02/20/17 at 06:47:51

Title: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/17 at 06:47:51

It's not looking like it....

Where is the GOP outrage??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-costs-trips-security-taxpayer-barack-obama-month-year-a7586261.html

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/17 at 08:34:12

That's a lotta dang money. I wonder if the figures are accurate.
One thing to note, the vacations for the Obama girls were just that. The son is conducting business that, prior to his dad entering the political world, wouldn't have required secret service. I don't know what airplane he took, who paid, etc, I don't know what laws exist, etc. I'm not down with paying for transportation costs for someone else to pursue a business venture. I'm not that excited about paying for vacations for people who live like royalty in general.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/17 at 09:30:20

7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:

Taxpayer money is taxpayer money. One "reason" is no better than another. It's OUR money, not theirs... Once again, the hypocrisy of the GOP knows no bounds.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by pg on 02/20/17 at 10:48:51

564847464B564D50220 wrote:

It's not looking like it....

Where is the GOP outrage??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-costs-trips-security-taxpayer-barack-obama-month-year-a7586261.html

Where's the outrage? Where's the documentation? A UK tabloid article.... The left is really frothing at the mouth.....

Best regards,

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/17 at 11:21:10

Are you intentionally failing to get what I'm saying? You understand that a BUSINESS TRIP that Requires security just Does. It's a bit different from hauling spoiled brats to the world's finest vacay spots.
And, I guess you missed it, but I Did point out that I'm not exactly keen on paying for someone else's vacay, when their day to day life is bordering on living like royalty.
A Vacation from WHAT? That day to day Grind gettin you down? I had to save all year to take my family to Frikken Six Flags, but I made sure my daughter had a vacation every year until I got too sick to make it happen.
I don't remember any outrage over Obama and his family's trips and his endless golf game.
You wanna talk about something, talk about the policies. You guys have made being offended your reason for existing.
Look at the money spent on a military that is bloated and a foreign policy that is antagonistic AND Trump promising to
Rebuild the Military.
THERE'S something to be bothered about.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by pg on 02/20/17 at 11:24:05

Next you'll be propagating a story about Trump going to Russia to be pissed on by Russian prostitutes.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/17 at 11:28:59

7E696F636C7C0E0 wrote:

Next you'll be propagating a story about Trump going to Russia to be pissed on by Russian prostitutes.

Best regards,

LOL - no, he just watched - but that will probably come out soon enough.

But if you think the original story is "fake" prove that it is. Prove to us that this president has not spent the first 3 weekends at his resort. Prove that it hasn't cost the taxpayers millions.

I welcome your proof....

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by pg on 02/20/17 at 11:34:49

667877767B667D60120 wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong; although, you would be the one that started this thread. This would really make you obligated site your "fake news".

Best regards,

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/17 at 11:45:43

352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:

LOL - you don't remember any outrage at Obama playing golf????? What, are you living under a rock??? I mean, seriously??? fox "news" covered it 24/7. They could not stand that Obama had the audacity to golf!! Do you remember that dubya WAY outdid Obama on the vacationing?

But what about now? trump has spent his first 3 weekends in office at his resort - no big deal, right? Where's fox "news" now? Are they "fake" now too?

It's called hypocrisy - and today's GOP carries it in buckets!

As to trump's policies - what policies? It's not trump, it's congress. trump is the dog and pony show to distract the US while congress fattens up. At the moment, no one's looking, we're supposed to be distracted.

We all need to wake up and see everything - from the embarrassment of this president, to the congressmen/women that are being bought and paid for to keep us in this quagmire. Their corporate owners love to see the right fight with the left. They love it when guys like you blame libs and guys like me blame GOPers.

The only blame should be to the GOPers and libs in Congress who are bought and paid for. Them, and the MSM who promote "their side" - msnbc, fox and the like.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/17 at 11:53:36

584F49454A5A280 wrote:

[quote author=667877767B667D60120 link=1487602071/0#6 date=1487618939]
LOL - no, he just watched - but that will probably come out soon enough.

But if you think the original story is "fake" prove that it is. Prove to us that this president has not spent the first 3 weekends at his resort. Prove that it hasn't cost the taxpayers millions.

I welcome your proof....

Correct me if I am wrong; although, you would be the one that started this thread. This would really make you obligated site your "fake news".

Best regards,
[/quote]

Oh... sorry, but this is not fake. This is 100% real and coming right out of our pockets - Here you go:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-lifestyle-taxpayers-20170216-story.html

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2017/02/17/much-cost-protect-trump-family/

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/18/trumps-florida-vacations-cost-taxpayers-month-obama-spent-year.html

Want more??? Oh, and please keep in mind, this is ONLY THE FIRST MONTH!!!!

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/17 at 14:29:17

I'm so sorry, let me clarify.
Obama spent more time golfing than anyone not on the pro tour. The Outrage that You want from the right NOW wasn't to be seen from the adoring left.
I am no sycophant. I'm willing and able to criticize Trump. I'm not going to criticize his choosing to go somewhere on the weekend. Remember, he gave up a life of travel and deal making. You expected him to just be in the Whitehouse 24/7? Like Obama?
This is petty crap. Why harp on this when I have laid out Bad looking Policy decisions that could have deep and long lasting implications?
So, he doesn't run to camp david, he likes Florida. Apparently he's working on things there, too. Sorry if you misunderstood the
Sit down and shut up
Thing.
That's what the left told us to do.
They need to try it.
Trump won.
I'd rather be the waterboy on a winning team than captain of a losing team. It's time to suck it up and stop trying to find every fault.
Try looking at the things that are actually meaningful. Like poking a thumb in China's eye.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/17 at 07:03:33

57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:

I'm so sorry, let me clarify.
Obama spent more time golfing than anyone not on the pro tour. The Outrage that You want from the right NOW wasn't to be seen from the adoring left.

In comparison, dubya was in crawford almost more than he was in the WH. If you think Obama wasn't working on the golf course, then you've never been golfing... Eisenhower got a ton of work done on the golf course.

I am no sycophant. I'm willing and able to criticize Trump. I'm not going to criticize his choosing to go somewhere on the weekend. Remember, he gave up a life of travel and deal making. You expected him to just be in the Whitehouse 24/7? Like Obama?

No, but I expect him to not disrespect the office by not ever being there.

This is petty crap. Why harp on this when I have laid out Bad looking Policy decisions that could have deep and long lasting implications?

Tip of the iceberg - yeah, there's the war powers, the terrible appointees and the looming russia connection - but when you talk about long lasting implications, he's denigrating the role of POTUS and how we are viewed by the rest of the world.

So, he doesn't run to camp david, he likes Florida. Apparently he's working on things there, too. Sorry if you misunderstood the
Sit down and shut up
Thing.
That's what the left told us to do.
They need to try it.
Trump won.

Nope - anyone in their right mind can see this man is more than dangerous. He's a man child. He parrots fox "news" like it's his security briefing. He's holding rallies to boost himself up - may HE should take the hint that he won...

I'd rather be the waterboy on a winning team than captain of a losing team. It's time to suck it up and stop trying to find every fault.
Try looking at the things that are actually meaningful. Like poking a thumb in China's eye.

It's been that time for the last eight years. The GOP should have tried that too - we wouldn't be in this position if they had. Even with their hatred of Obama, trump was given a gift of an economy, unemployment and foreign affairs - no worries, he'll find a way to tank them all.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/17 at 07:09:16

Has anyone actually READ the part about War Powers? It's not
Power to go to War
It's about
Because of a declared emergency, the President pretty much becomes a monarch. The Constitution is very limited under a state of emergency. Like everything else, incrementalism is the path to success.
I'm not going to try to teach it. It's available for the curious.

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/17 at 07:41:16

Tell me what Obama did or wanted to do that DIDN'T need to be stopped.
Bamicare? Ohh, that's working.
Destroy the coal industry? Winning!
Libya? Why? Someone explain WHY.
The economy? Obama was The ONLY president to not see 3% growth, EhVurr.
It's been a downhill run since JFK. And the power of the executive has grown.
Go look at Real Disposable Income.
Americans have been running harder on an increasingly steep treadmill and getting fewer food pellets for their efforts. The unemployment rate, whether you like it or not, is not the number THEY tell you.
Look up the Debt Clock. There's a couple of slightly positive indicators, GDP is climbing, but That number NOW includes money spent By the Government in some cases, so, not exactly dependable.
When I criticized Obama's policies, I was called a racist, and now I'm critical of TRUMPS POLICIES and you guys want to Frikken piss and moan about WHO TRUMP IS. I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to get meaningful dialogue out of anyone here.
Has a single soul actually bothered to read anything about anything I've been talking about?

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by Serowbot on 02/21/17 at 09:29:00

Quote:

Donald Trump claims his tax plan is “revenue neutral,” but tax experts say that just isn’t so. Not by a long stretch.

Even assuming the tax cuts would promote economic growth, the pro-business Tax Foundation estimates the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years.

That'll fix it... :-?

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/17 at 11:28:12

2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:

Tell me what Obama did or wanted to do that DIDN'T need to be stopped.
Bamicare? Ohh, that's working.

Yeah, it is. MILLIONS have coverage that couldn't afford it before. Even mike pence joined the bandwagon in Indiana and expanded Medicare (how about that?) - thanks to the ACA. Yep, rates are up - but take a look at the rate increases before ACA went into effect. They were just as high, and in most cases higher, than they were prior to Obamacare. Further, don't forget the pre-existing condition waiver that literally saved lives.

Destroy the coal industry? Winning!

I'd love to see coal die. Sad to see those people lose their jobs, but you don't see a lot of picture tube manufacturers anymore either. There is absolutely no reason that we as a country aren't leading in alternative energy. None.

Libya? Why? Someone explain WHY.

I was not in favor of that either - no reason except a muscle flex.

The economy? Obama was The ONLY president to not see 3% growth, EhVurr.
It's been a downhill run since JFK. And the power of the executive has grown.

Yeah, I find that strange given the fact that corporate profit is at RECORD LEVELS and has been for nearly a decade. What does that tell you???

Go look at Real Disposable Income.
Americans have been running harder on an increasingly steep treadmill and getting fewer food pellets for their efforts.

See above with corporate profits. Inflation is in check, so it's not that. It's the neglect of corporate america that's killing the economy.

The unemployment rate, whether you like it or not, is not the number THEY tell you.

Please - it's the same source, the same number that it has ALWAYS been. Don't start to quote "U6 numbers", etc. Unemployment is down. Period.

Look up the Debt Clock. There's a couple of slightly positive indicators, GDP is climbing, but That number NOW includes money spent By the Government in some cases, so, not exactly dependable.

When I criticized Obama's policies, I was called a racist, and now I'm critical of TRUMPS POLICIES and you guys want to Frikken piss and moan about WHO TRUMP IS. I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to get meaningful dialogue out of anyone here.

Who called you racist? Please show me the example of where I might have done that...

Has a single soul actually bothered to read anything about anything I've been talking about?

When you look at the last 8 years - well, the GOP has been in charge for the last 6 years.... What have THEY done??

They have a majority in state governments too!

Where's the accomplishments? How did brownback do in OK? How'd the crackdown on illegals effect the Georgia economy?

Title: Re: Conservative?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/17 at 13:46:09

I don't think you were here the first few years of Obama's time. You didn't call me a racist. Trust me, I was.

You're not going to hear me champion the bubs. Both sides are working for the same people, and it ain't us.