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Title: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/04/17 at 07:49:33 He is twittering that Obama tapped the phones in Trump Towers. No proof offered....isn't this libel? 3 Possibilities leap to mind, well crawl to mind if I'm honest about it. 1) There was no electronic intrusion, we just have Tweety trying to deflect attention from the Russky issue. 2) There was an intrusion, by the FBI or one of the 15 intell agencies wondering (er gathering intell) on the Russian pre election dealings, 3) We actually have an illegal intrusion by either the Dems or even the Repubs wanting to know what was on tweety's mind? Should I include the Russians or Chinese trying to figue Tweety out?,Naaah lets not for now. We'll save those for later. We will probably never know but the show must go on. :D |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/17 at 09:23:28 There is no EVIDENCE of Russian Anything. All we have been hearing are Allegations. If EVIDENCE existed, they would have already put together an investigation, working toward indictment. I Finally saw the bigger,probably not the all encompassing, picture. I explained it the other day. The whole thing, from the beginning, was as rigged as pro wrestling. A Never held office, absolute nobody politically, fended off a herd of bubs and was nominated. The left were continually sneering at him. The right united With the left against him, BUT, the proclamation came down from above. Trump Won, BUT, she had the popular vote. Ohhh, not a Majority... so we get controversy. Obama had Already indicated he Wasn't going away. Well, he couldn't very well Justify setting up a camp and going back to his community organization activities AGAINST a Democrat, now could he? So, we get a president who is, according to over half of the people, IF the vote count is to be believed, and I Don't, illegitimate. For a swamp draining to occur, it would Probably be good to Not put Water Moccasins and Alligators back in places where they can continue to feed the M.I.C., but Former Goldman Sachs follows many names in the Swamp Draining administration. Trump has delivered a Moving Speech, and made a martyr of a soldier, with the promise of Rebuilding America's Military Might, so that None DARE disrespect America. Moving Speech alright. Moved me to nausea. Trump is not a bub, like Ron Paul, TRUMP Registered as a bub, in order to be allowed into the debates. No federal law establishes Who can participate. The Two Parties make the rules. They don't want third party faces on the stage. https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/20/excluding-independents-from-2016-presidential-debates-is-undemocratic So, in short, the President never got a Honeymoon and the embattled nature of his administration will continue, Even though the Swamp Draining will be largely ineffective and Status Quo will not be more than superficially challenged. THEY, the unseen, WILL have Their minions in positions that ensure the continued creation of chaos around the globe, While ratcheting up tensions in America, between social groups. The media has been and is being used. It paints pictures of foreign leaders and the countries and their sorely abused,innocent people. And the American People are righteously indignant and support the lying warmongers in D.C.as they Raah Raah Raah AGAIN about some grand humanitarian effort, spending OUR precious people's blood and treasure, all to further an agenda that neither benefits We the People OR the people who we allegedly went to help. Answer this One Glaringly Obvious question. Given that the mission in Libya was to Free the People of that brutal dictator and Improve their Lives, WHY, given our very expensive and accurate weapons, did we Accidentally destroy the WORLD'S LARGEST AND BEST IRRIGATION SYSTEM? Ohhh, Surely it was an accident, because IT was important and a Bigly improvement in the lives of the Very People who The ENTIRE MISSION was supposedly designed to help? We Freed them from the highest standard of living on the continent AND I posted a link days ago of Gadaffi TELLING the U.N. that IF he is removed, there would be no one to stop the people from the South to march North, into Europe. Does anyone even read the stuff I put time into typing? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Serowbot on 03/04/17 at 10:05:27 At what point do we declare insanity?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by thumperclone on 03/04/17 at 10:13:55 7264736E76636E75010 wrote:
November 8, 2016 |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Ed L. on 03/04/17 at 12:25:51 A 25% reduction in funding for the EPA resulting in about 3,000 federal employees loosing their jobs. The long reaching ramifications of cutting back the EPA affects our family, children, environment and the natural resources of our country. Hey let's muddy the waters with another insane claim by the POTUS that Trump's phones were tapped and deflect the news about Trump being Putin's b*tch baby and the destruction of our lands. >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/04/17 at 12:31:22 Trump has accused the Preceding President with breaking the law. The Congress needs to make him provide the proof, if he has it good. If he doesn't it is libel (well within the scope of crimes for which the congress can impeach him). Time to make him responsible to the people for what he says, tweets and writes. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/04/17 at 14:19:38 Ed L the point for the elephants is that those 3000 employees won't be looking for industrial waste mismanagement that could hurt the companies, they will be looking at the Sierra Madres for coyotes. This is the plan, of course. :D |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by MnSpring on 03/04/17 at 15:06:37 63455E4747565F370 wrote:
Time to make him responsible to the people for what he says, tweets and writes. So, Bama,is Not, ‘responsible’ for saying: “ You can keep your doctor … Health Plan …” “ …Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s….” “ How’s it going, Sunshine?” “ I’ve now been in 57 states — I think one left to go." “ …they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion…” "Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions.” “ this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” (12 were killed in a Tornado) “ You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith…" “I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." “The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." and thousands more. But, Bama said something it’s, OK. Someone else says something, (All Heck breaks Loose) |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by MnSpring on 03/04/17 at 15:11:15 193F243D3D2C254D0 wrote:
“ …those 3000 employees won’t be looking for industrial waste mismanagement …” I wonder if any of those, are ones that are responsible, for the KILLING of a River, Than saying, ‘opps’, and doing nothing about it ???? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Ed L. on 03/04/17 at 15:45:15 I wonder if any of those, are ones that are responsible, for the KILLING of a River, Than saying, ‘opps’, and doing nothing about it ???? Boy oh boy MnSpring, that's the typical response of a true right winger, discredit and smear instead of dealing with the fact that Trumpie is doing everything he can to destroy the US economy. 3,000 jobs lost is just the beginning. I wonder how many of those EPA employees have saved a river for the future generations to enjoy?? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by MnSpring on 03/04/17 at 16:01:50 77566D7E1C320 wrote:
I wonder how many of those EPA employees have saved a river for the future generations to enjoy?? Well Just off hand, I would say a BILLION or Two, MORE, People that are LIVING, next to rivers and streams. Which have, and continue to, And Will Keep On, cleaning them up. WITHOUT, getting Paid. Compared to the ones that said, ‘opps’, when KILLING a River ! And the ones that fined a Farmer, 20,000,000.00, for making a stream, BETTER. And making it support MORE, wildlife. And did NOT, (first), bow down and kiss the AZZ, of the ‘Out Of Control’, EPA. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/04/17 at 20:08:24 MN =- you really miss the point don't you. Obama said you will be able to keep your doctor, but as we all should remember, Congress, no the President makes the laws, the Executive branch is supposed to implement the will of the congress which is LOL theoretically the will of the people. It is one thing to make promises, given that system. It is another to libel a previous President saying he broke the law. The present President can and has lied about everything during the campaign but that is not illegal. Calling Ted C Lying Ted is an example. It is a campaign. Now, however, as President he has accused the previous President of breaking the law tapping phones without a warrant. it is a proper time to hold him accountable for what he says and tweets. If he has proof, that is good. It will be interesting. If not, he has broken the law and should answer to that, which, in this case, would be impeachment. ( There is, I believe, an immunity for the sitting president from all legal actions.) Thus the impeachment process exists to move someone from such protected status if he is doing" crimes and misdemeanors". The Russian chatting, like the HRC use of a private server, are probably much more local stink than serious. I have yet to see one example of a breach of classification in her emails. If you remember, the missile crisis, when the President of the time held up photos of a missile site in Cuba. That was a breach of classification, as only the original classifier can declassify. (ps. I held a Top Secret multiple codeword clearance while a reservist at NSA and DIA so I do know the system). |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/05/17 at 07:07:31 Undet Obama, the IRS targeted opposition groups by using their considerable power. Why is it so unbelievable Obama used another government agency? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/05/17 at 07:13:19 Sure they were listening to his calls. They will say it was a probe or investigation, then we had FISA approval, then he will say I didn't order it, then it will be I didn't sign off on it. The phrase plausible deniability comes to mind, but are they guilty as hell, more than likely. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/05/17 at 07:20:17 0322190A68460 wrote:
It's pretty unbelievable to think shedding 3000 government jobs is destroying the US economy. And no one disputes the need for some type of environmental laws. The issue is the over-reach of the EPA. If you want to place blame for a backlash against the EPA, blame those power happy bureaucrats who reached far beyond their mandate. I'm an outdoorsman. I have a Kayak and take regular trips down pristine Missouri Ozark streams fishing for smallmouth and trout all the way. I don't want that destroyed. But the EPA is using the overhyped ClimateChange "impending diaster" to unilaterally enact rules that cripple industry. That's Congress's function. Why does the EPA needs its own armed agents? It's so they can impose their will over local jurisdictions. The distrust and flat out hatred aimed at the EPA by many rural municipalities is well earned. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/05/17 at 07:40:38 There is, believe it or not, a significant difference in having the IRS look into an organization (even if it really is to harass or discombobulate the organization in question)that is politically harass them; and wiretapping or eavesdropping on a US citizen. At the receiving end, it all seems like government harassment but: to the folks who do the listening, it is a big deal. (I mean, career ending, go to jail kinda issue). :) and the EPA has certainly seemed to overstep it bounds, as have the tree huggers. That is why we have management and oversight committees. It is a shame that the two parties rather fight with each other than doing their jobs,, making the place suitable for both industry and habitat. When the two can't coexist, I would rather the business go elsewhere so our children can drink our water etc. We, as the richer nation most of the time, can invest in an industry elsewhere and make some money on it that way. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/05/17 at 10:39:54 prosperity and wealth make for a cleaner environment. I've never been to China or India, but I've been to some poor areas in Taiwan and it was a cesspool. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Serowbot on 03/05/17 at 11:05:05 A cleaner environment makes for prosperity and wealth... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Ed L. on 03/05/17 at 15:18:38 Wealth is made by exploitation of the natural resources without any concern of the future. Look at big oil, big coal, big sugar, they all have a long record of polluting without any concern of the consequences. Even the Bible says humans are the stewards of the earth and boy have we screwed that up just to make a fast buck. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/05/17 at 15:26:26 2234233E26333E25510 wrote:
It's the other way around. The cleanest and most pristine environment in Missouri where the trout streams are, are also among the poorest counties in the state. They stay that way only because of funds from wealthy areas. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/05/17 at 15:29:27 25043F2C4E600 wrote:
No concern? That's more than a little bit of an overstatement don't you think? The earth is a pretty darn nice place. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/17 at 16:35:39 69487360022C0 wrote:
Wealth is created any time raw materials are used, modified to be able to use it in life, and sold. Yes, some people destroy the environment to make money. Usually the people who live in a place utilize the resources in a way that doesn't destroy the livability of the place. Corporations that are owned by people distant from the resources don't have a vested interest in protecting the environment THERE. You get enough corporations harvesting resources in enough distant places and pretty soon, they've crapped everywhere. It's not Necessary to destroy in order to create wealth, but it's apparently the most efficient way. If a man ran his personal finances the same way the government does, he'd go to prison. If anyone else had made that mess in the river, they would be in jail. But, since the goobs did it, it's a palms up, shoulder shrugging Oopsies.. and just Look at them fix it.. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by MnSpring on 03/05/17 at 18:07:02 74524950504148200 wrote:
" ...and the EPA has certainly seemed to overstep it bounds..." "Seemed To" ??????????????? Minn has over, 12,000, fishable ‘lakes’, 6,000 Rivers, (not miles, but, 6,000 RIVERS). and another 10,000 ‘slews’ ‘Wetlands’. And the people that live next to them, Take CARE of them. (Not the EPA) The EPA, could Give a ’sh$#’, unless, they can Pad their Pockets, or play: “I’m tough, you listen to me”. Minn was put on the map in the late 1800’s, with it’s Iron Ore Mines, (North Country, shipped out through Duluth) Then in the 1970’s +, it was found, the, ’taconite’, (form of Iron Ore) was polluting. And with china, and others, cheaper, and the new State, rules and regs to stop the pollution, a once Hugely Profitable business, is now, just a here and now one. Well now comes along, PolyMet, Mining Company. They started with their, proposal, to mine sulfide, in 2010 (extracting copper, nickel and other metals from sulfide ore) Sulfuric acid, a by product, that is produced with sulfide mining. Which can, (most probably will), be dumped in rivers, lakes, and wetlands. (IN FACT, Dumping waste, in a ‘Wetland’ is a nice little loophole, PolyMet found) Mining companies are unable to point to a sulfide mine that has not polluted. They started in 2010, The DNR, The Governor, and 98% of the PEOPLE, responding said No Way ! But, Wait, NOW, the DNR & Gov ‘GOFEY’, say, Go Ahead !!!!!! W.T.F. ???????????? The EPA, is a over bloated, do nothing, except ‘pad their pockets’, (with the Blessing of Bama) Then a New POTUS come in, and cuts, 3,000, Totally Worthless Snowflakes’. All heck breaks out. The EPA, does NOT, ‘Protect”, they just hold out the ‘Left Hand”. (For those that do not know, the, ‘Left Hand’, is a very old, description of, Taking A BRIBE) The only thing that is remotely, redeeming, is that area, it is one of the Highest Concentrations of, ‘Limousine Liberal’, ‘Fairy Dust Sprinkling’, ’Snowflakes’, in the State. Gee, wonder if when, or even if, they will realize, that, Gov, ‘GOFFEY’, (who they put in office), Sold them Out !!!!!!, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/17 at 18:27:45 Each county should have a citizens committee and an Environmental Protection officer. Local policing and local indictments and jails and when the EPA fines someone, where does the money go? Do the injured or damaged get compensation? Is the clean-up done with corporate money or tax money or is it just ignored? I still think British Petroleum should be paying for doctors for the sick and paying the incomes to fishermen they ruined, and I don't mean for a week or a month, but for life. They should be paying for the medical problems and the financial problems they caused. And any roughneck who had any clue about the role of the drilling fluid would have known that you Don't pump off the drilling fluid and replace it with something that isn't heavy enough to create the hydrostatic pressure required to hold the formation pressure in check. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/05/17 at 19:16:52 I think the Dakota pipeline might show us what tweety bird thinks; of course the pipeline is safer for the environment (snicker) until it ruptures. Then who will he blame. Of course, it might not. Just a gamble and he has no dog in the fight, or tower along the river. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/17 at 20:13:42 Pipelines aren't perfect. They get old. Railroad tracks and trains aren't perfect. Accidents Per barrel miles, which is safer? Railroads run through towns all across the country. Pipelines can at least be routed through uninhabited areas, run underground, I expect it's safer. Pipelines Can be fitted with flow and pressure monitors. Valves Can be set up to close automatically if sensors detect a leak. Yes, Martha, it Would be prudent to stop the pumps before the valves shut. Unhappy man Warren Buffett, BNSF owner, pushes for stronger rail cars for oil ... Star Tribune › warren-buffett-bnsf-owne... Mar 4, 2014 - He notes that oil from North Dakota more volatile than expected. ... BNSF transports six out of every 10 barrels of oil produced in North ... Warren Buffett owns the BNSF Railway Now, if for Soome Reezun, the pipeline Duznt happen, then we will all know this big to do about okaying the pipeline was really just to shakedown Buffet. I'll bet he's doing everything he can to figure out How much Munnee needs to go in Whose Pokkit to stop the pipeline from going through. Of course, there Iz the possibility that Trump is not Friends with Buffet and the pipeline Will go through, even If it's a bad idea. I don't know. I just don't Trust anyone anymore. Not One Word about War Powers or the Fed. Much about Rebuilding our bloated, war causing De Fense Duh Partment. As America feigns outrage over a Russian fighter buzzing one of our ships. Yeah, I know, Right of Right of Free Passage, international waters, blahh blahh.. Let a Russian warship waltz down our coast and see how we handled it. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/17 at 20:15:02 Pipelines aren't perfect. They get old. Railroad tracks and trains aren't perfect. Accidents Per barrel miles, which is safer? Railroads run through towns all across the country. Pipelines can at least be routed through uninhabited areas, run underground, I expect it's safer. Pipelines Can be fitted with flow and pressure monitors. Valves Can be set up to close automatically if sensors detect a leak. Yes, Martha, it Would be prudent to stop the pumps before the valves shut. Unhappy man Warren Buffett, BNSF owner, pushes for stronger rail cars for oil ... Star Tribune › warren-buffett-bnsf-owne... Mar 4, 2014 - He notes that oil from North Dakota more volatile than expected. ... BNSF transports six out of every 10 barrels of oil produced in North ... Warren Buffett owns the BNSF Railway Now, if for Soome Reezun, the pipeline Duznt happen, then we will all know this big to do about okaying the pipeline was really just to shakedown Buffet. I'll bet he's doing everything he can to figure out How much Munnee needs to go in Whose Pokkit to stop the pipeline from going through. Of course, there Iz the possibility that Trump is not Friends with Buffet and the pipeline Will go through, even If it's a bad idea. I don't know. I just don't Trust anyone anymore. Not One Word about War Powers or the Fed. Much about Rebuilding our bloated, war causing De Fense Duh Partment. As America feigns outrage over a Russian fighter buzzing one of our ships. Yeah, I know, Right of Right of Free Passage, international waters, blahh blahh.. Let a Russian warship waltz down our coast and see how we handled it. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/06/17 at 06:07:04 03253E2727363F570 wrote:
Says the guy who rides over pipe lines under the road all day long. ... |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/06/17 at 06:47:44 Every month a plane flies down the road. There's a pipeline, gas, goes under the driveway. I'm waiting on the Railroad car Pipeline Option to be addressed. Nobody seems to want to discuss my posts. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/06/17 at 08:07:50 JOG even double posting doesn't get it done! ;D ;D ;D ;D What's a guy gotta do, hunh. While we wait out the libel/slander issue; pipelines to the fore. I am not against the pipeline as the railroads have proven not as safe as one would hope. Apparently, if I remember the false news stations the last time a train hit a car/truck, there is actually a crash a day on our rail system. And you are right that when the rail cars tip over and explode in a town, well it is a bad scene. I think a town in Canada almost disappeared this past year in an accident. It is a shame they had to route it (the pipeline) through a sacred (to the natives)site but hey, in reality, we have moved or simply buried cemetaries in the name of progress all along so no big deal. In Mass we buried 4 towns BUT did move the dead into a new location when creating the Quabbin Resevoir years ago. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/06/17 at 08:13:20 WM - You are right, I know, but pipelines should, where ever possible, avoid major water sources. I would have liked to see the pipeline protestors provide a well thought out alternative route. And the Midwest seems a little more prone to earthquakes (at least around OK) but who knows way up north? I do hope JOG is correct that there are automatic shutoff valves in case of leaks. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/06/17 at 08:57:04 my take is the majority of pipeline protestors were just protesting because they could....... I heard enough interviews with people there unable to articulate what the issues were. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/06/17 at 09:44:25 http://neveryetmelted.com/2017/03/06/envirnonmentalism-versus-dakota-pipeline/ |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by WebsterMark on 03/06/17 at 11:11:06 +1 oldnslow |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/17 at 11:53:22 Getting back to trumgate..... We are seeing the beginning of the end. Before the end of 2018, we will probably see a president penece in office. This man is a buffoon and to tweet about articles from notso-brightbart is appalling. Enjoy the circus while you can - it's coming to an end sooner than you think. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/06/17 at 17:20:18 352B242528352E33410 wrote:
Till 2025 and I imagine his legacy will extend will beyond 2050 with the court appointees. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/03/05/20170306_obama.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/06/17 at 18:13:06 726C63626F726974060 wrote:
You might be right. But the result might not be the one you are hoping for. http://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2017/03/trump-goes-for-jugular.html Sometimes nobody wins a knife fight. The guy who bleeds out second is still dead. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/06/17 at 18:40:17 But as always, we know who will loose. ;) |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/17 at 20:32:53 447A7B77657978160 wrote:
You might be right. But the result might not be the one you are hoping for. http://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2017/03/trump-goes-for-jugular.html Sometimes nobody wins a knife fight. The guy who bleeds out second is still dead.[/quote] No, I realize that pence will probably be worse. But by 2018, and then again in 2020, I hope that America wakes up from its coma and sees how broken the political system is - thanks in large part to citizens united and the like. But let's be honest - tweety trump is off his rocker on the wire taping... either way, he's in a corner now - if he lied, there's that... if he's telling the truth, then that means a court gave permission - and they'd only do that with probable cause... We need to clean house and get back our government. It's going to be painful, but worth it. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/17 at 20:34:07 253234383727550 wrote:
Till 2025 and I imagine his legacy will extend will beyond 2050 with the court appointees. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/03/05/20170306_obama.jpg Best regards,[/quote] What a hilarious piece of fictional art.... is that what the trumpsters see in their heads???? LMAO!!!! |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/07/17 at 04:30:38 594748494459425F2D0 wrote:
http://https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/NY-Times-FP-012017.jpg He has abused his powers on multiple occasions. ::) In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013: In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that 12. the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked. Also in 2013, 13. members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.” Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 05:58:07 T and T Garage wrote: "We need to clean house and get back our government." That's exactly why a lot of us voted for Trump. He was the only candidate that promised to try to do that. All the alternatives represented more of the same old,same old. Trump , in his oddball unorthodox way is trying to do what he promised to do. If he manages to accomplish even a little bit of what he said he'd try to do before he self destructs, or is destroyed by his enemies and the media, that's about as good as it's going to get this time around. I actually think he's likely to survive. The bullsh*t narrative from the left is starting to wear a little thin, and the screeching is beginning to fall on deaf ears. The democrats and the MSM are becoming like the boy who cried wolf too many times. Pretty soon everyone except the hard core true believers is going to quit paying attention. The astonishing thing about most of Donald's tweets that the left gets so worked up about, is that, outrageous as they first sound, once the screaming stops, it's discovered that they generally contain a kernel of truth. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Serowbot on 03/07/17 at 06:50:36 ...an unpopped kernel... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 06:53:44 7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
BAZINGA!!! Nice one!!! |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 07:39:21 3B2D3A273F2A273C480 wrote:
Cute, but it reinforces my point I think. Snark instead of substance is why the left and the MSM are going to keep losing these fights. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 08:48:12 Pop goes the kernel: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ In case you don't feel like reading the whole thing: "As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations. The CIA's Mobile Devices Branch (MDB) developed numerous attacks to remotely hack and control popular smart phones. Infected phones can be instructed to send the CIA the user's geolocation, audio and text communications as well as covertly activate the phone's camera and microphone." Do the names John Brennan and James Clapper ring a bell ? If they were privy to this do you think Obama wasn't ? One good thing though. Now that this is out there, at least Trump doesn't have to worry about the Presidents Limo mysteriously crashing into a bridge abutment. :D |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 08:59:57 447A7B77657978160 wrote:
Cute, but it reinforces my point I think. Snark instead of substance is why the left and the MSM are going to keep losing these fights. [/quote] How is the MSM "losing"? As it is, they are simply reporting as they should be. Trump started the tweet. There has been zero corroboration with the FBI or ANY intelligence agency of his accusations. This latest outburst goes beyond the "left vs. right" mindset. It's starting to wear thin on everyone regardless of party. If you honestly think that he's doing ANY good, then I don't know what to tell you. He's making a mockery of the presidency. How are world leaders going to respond to him? How is possibly helping America from his twitter account? It's only been what, 5 or 6 weeks, right? Yeah, people wanted real change - well, we got it - in spades. No, hillary was not a great choice, but certainly would have been more presidential. Think about it - if trump is somehow right about this wiretap, then somewhere along the line, a court suspects collusion with russia... seriously?? This is a no win situation. Either he lied, or he's been under scrutiny for his ties to vlad.... |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 09:33:21 [quote] How is the MSM "losing"? As it is, they are simply reporting as they should be.]/quote] That simply isn't true. They are doing everything they can to delegitimize Trump's presidency and undermine his agenda. They are losing because it isn't working and because fewer and fewer people are paying any attention to their histrionics the more time passes. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/07/17 at 09:45:51 667877767B667D60120 wrote:
How many front page stories have you read that started "unconfirmed high level sources?" How about Trump going to Russia for the golden showers? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 09:46:42 605E5F53415D5C320 wrote:
So you're saying if Obama had made a claim that was completely unsubstantiated, we should have "waited and seen"? Sorry - not buying it for one second. What this president is doing is unprecedented - and not in a good way. To reference you - who's delegitimizing who? Trump has tweeted - "The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!" Seriously?? How is asking "where did the president get this information" delegitimizing him? How is holding someone accountable for their statements (especially the POTUS) a bad thing? In this process - just like the watergate scandal, it will be the press that pushes the truth through. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/07/17 at 09:59:02 677976777A677C61130 wrote:
I beg to differ, our press is bought and paid for. I like the term presstitutes. If anything comes to light, it will be from Julian Assange. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 10:04:15 6F787E727D6D1F0 wrote:
I beg to differ, our press is bought and paid for. I like the term presstitutes. If anything comes to light, it will be from Julian Assange. Best regards, [/quote] LOL - julian assange??? Tell me again how trump likes leaks??? Please - a question like "where did the president get his intel from" is legitimate. The real problem is trump himself. Coming off a very presidential address to congress, he should have continued that momentum. The problem is - he's just not that smart - neither are his handlers. They let him rant on twitter all he wants. He is in control of his own demise - just watch.... |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 10:53:41 Quote:
Watergate was 45 years ago - almost a half a century. A different world - hell - it seems like a different universe to me. ( Yeah, I'm pretty fu*kin' old - I was an adult that long ago). A very different press. Today's media has practically no interest whatsoever in the "truth". They know who's side they are on, and It shouldn't be hard for anyone to recognise that either, unless they simply don't want to. Obama lied his a*s off for eight years. So did his predecessor. Most of the MSM looked away. Trump won't get the same consideration. You think that's a coincidence ? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/17 at 11:16:04 How are the MSM LOSING? At a hysterical speed, and not a minute too soon. Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low | Gallup Gallup › poll › americans-trust-mass-med... Sep 14, 2016 - -- Americans' trust and confidence in the mass media "to report the news fully, accurately and fairly" has dropped to its lowest level in Gallup polling history, with 32% saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media. ... In 2001, younger Americans (55%) were more ... Why Americans no longer trust the mainstream media – TheBlaze TheBlaze › video › why-americans-no-lo... Dec 8, 2016 - So as you complain about main stream media no longer being able to be trusted, you just show how ... Here's Why Trust in the Media Is At an All-Time Low | Fortune.com Fortune › 2016/09/15 › trust-in-media Sep 15, 2016 - The media landscape has changed, and not always for the better. ... Instead of a handful of newspapers, TV channels, and trusted journalists, we now have what amounts to the biblical ... Americans Don't Trust Their Institutions Anymore | FiveThirtyEight FiveThirtyEight › features › americans-d... Nov 16, 2016 - But it's not just media and finance that have come up short ... and newspapermen /Who've scribbled down the long campaign. ... while 70 percent of liberal Democrats trusted them. Why The Media Can't Be Trusted To Provide The Truth www.vernoncoleman.com › whythemedi... Today, politicians may not own the media and they may no longer need to chop off the arms and heads of troublesome ... BBC Poll: Trust in Media - Countries - GlobeScan GlobeScan › bbcreut_country The most trusted specific news sources mentioned without prompting by Americans include FOX News .... There is no significant gender imbalance in India regarding where people get their news. Americans trust Trump more than media, says poll - One News Now OneNewsNow.com › media › 2017/02/21 Feb 21, 2017 - Americans trust Trump more than media, says poll ... believe – not what the news media says the majority thinks – it ... Where the media will loose is, the minds of the masses no longer ... [PDF] Why Is Everyone Mad at the Mainstream Media? - Princeton ... Princeton University › press › chapters In the mid-twentieth century, the news media were one of America's most trusted institutions. The 1956 American ... Why The Mainstream Media Can't Hold Trump Accountable The Federalist › 2016/12/05 › mainstrea... Dec 5, 2016 - The mainstream media have lost credibility. ... Arguably, the media long ago lost all credibility with its ... Pielke tells how he was singled out and attacked, not just by ..... Why would the media think they should be trusted when ... Mainstream Media's Reputation Currently Broken - Newsmax.com Newsmax.com › 2016/11/20 Nov 20, 2016 - Nevertheless, distrust of legitimate journalism is no joking |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 11:38:27 4A7475796B7776180 wrote:
In comparison with trump - Obama was as pure as an alter boy... It's only been 5 weeks... seriously. I'm not a defender of Obama, but how did he lie his rear end off for 8 years? What lies? (other than "you can keep your doctor"). How do his alleged lies compare to trumps tweets in the wee hours?? Lastly - I agree that the MSM today is not even close to what we had prior to the internet. All the networks are run by huge corporations and only seek ratings/ad revenue. That's precisely why I don't subscribe to any one network or news outlet. I favor the young turks, but listen to many others besides. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 11:40:34 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
Funny - look at the dates of all your references.... you don't see any coincidences do you????? LOL!!! You have to hand it to trump - he knows how to get attention - just like a screaming baby. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 12:16:59 [/quote] I'm not a defender of Obama, but how did he lie his rear end off for 8 years? What lies? [/quote] Here ya go. There's more but these will get you started. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/obamas-biggest-whoppers/?utm_term=.2cc5d5c1acf0 http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/ |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 12:48:24 625C5D51435F5E300 wrote: Here ya go. There's more but these will get you started. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/obamas-biggest-whoppers/?utm_term=.2cc5d5c1acf0 http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/[/quote] Here ya go too: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/category/donald-trump/?utm_term=.358e8f6b1f24 See how easy that is? Trump has 7 pages to Obama's 6... (oh, and trump has only been in office for 5 weeks, but his reputation proceeds him - sad) |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 12:58:55 I never said Trump didn't lie. You made the claim that Obama didn't. My point was that Obama, and to a lesser extant Bush, got a pass from the MSM. Trump will not. And it's not because the MSM cares about the truth. They have another agenda entirely, and part of that agenda is the destruction of Trump. They would be behaving quite differently if Hillary, or even one of the more "acceptable", to them, Republicans had won the election. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 13:11:12 0F31303C2E32335D0 wrote:
I disagree - by virtue of what you just posted - MOST of those stories were covered. Maybe not by msnbc - but certainly fox and somewhat by cnn. As to your claim that they are actively destroying him - I think not. The campaign and subsequent election of trump proves that the MSM is the main reason he got elected!! Trump wouldn't be trump without the media. You can't disagree with that. They NEVER pressed him for his taxes - they NEVER brought up his multiple divorces - they NEVER called into question his russian ties (which he indeed has) and they let him off on things like "p#ssy grabbing"... Let's not forget - this is the same MSM that praised this guy for a speech he gave last Tuesday. Several mentioning how "presidential" he was. Oh yeah? Hold my beer...... C'mon - You honestly think that this guy's even remotely qualified?? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 13:47:57 Quote:
If you mean the MSM was the main reason he won was because half the country hates, and doesn't believe anything the MSM says, and that Trump figured that out, and played them like a fiddle, then yeah, you're right. But I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean. ::) Quote:
I dosen't matter what I think about his qualifications. Or what you think for that matter. He won the election. That makes him qualified. He got the job. Just like Obama, Bush, Clinton etc. ec. The voters decide who's qualified. Me, you, the press, the Russians, or the the man- in the -moon don't have to like it. But there it is. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 14:11:45 300E0F03110D0C620 wrote:
I dosen't matter what I think about his qualifications. Or what you think for that matter. He won the election. That makes him qualified. He got the job. Just like Obama, Bush, Clinton etc. ec. The voters decide who's qualified. Me, you, the press, the Russians, or the the man- in the -moon don't have to like it. But there it is. [/quote] If it "doesn't matter", then why ever bother talking about it or commenting on any posts... You too easily put it aside. Not on my watch and not as long as I can voice my opinion on the people that represent ME - not their own interests. The people actually didn't vote for trump. He lost the popular vote by about 3 million (and look - no proof of all those "fraudulent voters" to be found). If you look at the actual votes that he won the electoral college by - it was literally razor thin - and mostly the fault of clinton as opposed to the triumph of trump. Go ahead and roll over - we'll take it from here.... |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 15:27:55 Quote:
I didn't say his qualifications, or lack of same don't matter. I said that what You, or I or anyone else, THINKS of his qualifications dosen't matter. You can "voice your opinion" all you want and it isn't going to change the fact that Trump is the President. You don't like that fact. A lot of folks don't. Unfortunately for you and them, the gang that won this go-round isn't interested in what you like or don't like. Kinda like Obama and his minions didn't much care about the people that didn't care for them. Quote:
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 15:45:54 7D43424E5C40412F0 wrote:
Be sure to let us know when you've got everything all straightened out. [/quote] Will do! WOLF-PAC!! |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/17 at 16:50:35 'mon - You honestly think that this guy's even remotely qualified?? It was a Choice. Either pull the lever on the trap door and be your own hangman or elect Trump and See what happens. I'm not pleased, but not surprised. Bamicare just got worse. He wants to Rebuild the Military, as we instigate wars of aggression and feed the M.I.C., and Spend more than the next, what,? Ten countries Combined? Crap.. At least he's entertaining and his voice doesn't sound like fingernails on a blackboard. Status Quo lives on. He promised to be the guy who changed the direction. Hold on to your hats, it's gonna get bumpy. Not one of my criticisms make the media less dishonest. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 17:38:55 Quote:
Well, that explains some of the things in some of your posts. I've a much better idea of where you're coming from now. Had not heard of WOLF-PAC till now. 2/3 of state legislatures to call for convention 3/4 of states to ratify. Not very likely I don't think. Reviews are mixed about the organization itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_PAC http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/cenk-uygur-separate-money-and-politics_n_1023053.html http://watchdog.org/142762/soros-in-vermont/ http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/07/pac-run-by-young-turks-host-cenk-uygur-spends-absurd-amount-of-budget-on-operating-costs/ I don't pretend to vouch for the accuracy of any of this. Just did a quick search. Folks can do their own research. Anyway. If you truly are putting your money where your mouth is, I commend you for that. I'm afraid I don't see this getting very far though. Something else just occurred to me. Didn't Trump win without the benefit of the huge corporate, union and super pac donations that wolf-pac wants to do away with? You know, the places where Hill got almost all of her money. Confusing, ain't it ? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/07/17 at 18:49:42 5866676B7965640A0 wrote:
Not very tough to see that trump drank from the corporate font... and got his fill. In return, he gave them cabinet positions. Once he won the primary, it was all downhill from there. Actually, Bernie's average donation was $27 and he had nearly 7 million donors.. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by oldNslow on 03/07/17 at 19:34:09 Quote:
I'm calling "fake new" on that one I'm afraid, unless I see some names and numbers. //www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/ He got some corporate, super pac and union money, everybody did, even Sanders, but it pales in comparison to what Hillary got. And to say he handed out cabinet appointments in exchange for donations is simply absurd. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by buster6315 on 03/07/17 at 19:55:27 From what I've heard, the state PCA'S, (revenue streams), are held in the same low esteem. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/08/17 at 06:06:22 102E2F23312D2C420 wrote:
No denying that hillary took tons of money and outspent trump and still lost... however, there's also no denying that trump rewarded his donors with cabinet positions - just like Obama did, just like dubya did, just like clinton did, etc., etc. "Draining the swamp"? Not even close.... http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-donors-rewards-232974 https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12/09/20516/donald-trump-rewarding-million-dollar-donors-plum-postings |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/17 at 07:32:45 Why do people believe that the president can change the direction of America? I know it needs done and he Said he would, BUT, that is what JFK was doing. He THOUGHT he was The Decider, and his head blew up. We are just pointing at and pounding on the bumps on the belly of the beast, but the Tumors that cause the bumps are out of the sight of most. You're gonna hafta go digging through some ugly crap to see even a piece of the puzzle. And you won't do it. So convinced your grasp of reality IS the Big Picture, and lacking curiosity, you won't spend the time to discover One Thing that would lead to more curiosity and desire to learn more. You're smarter than Henry Ford, so his statement that If the People understood how the monetary system Works, there would be revolution by morning, well, why would he say that If the average person understood it? Just listening to Charlotte Iserbyt will prove that I told you the truth. How hard is it to listen? Skeered? Of COURSE he isn't draining the swamp. The money that swamp creates for some of the world's sorriest people will Not get turned off. Anyone who threatens that dies. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by verslagen1 on 03/08/17 at 07:38:17 697778797469726F1D0 wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/ Quote:
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Serowbot on 03/08/17 at 09:03:53 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Seems like you voted Trump because Hillary was going to be so bad,.. that knowing Trump would be worse was the better option... ???? "Drain the Swamp" is a catchy bumpersticker,.. but that's all... Trump ain't draining it,... he's infusing it with poison and telling us to drink... |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/17 at 09:56:44 Your opinion of Who Hillary is doesn't align with observed reality. I Knew Hillary would be a disaster. Trump was an unknown. Again,recall , heck , look up and Read what Historical figures who said a dark power is running things Is about. Was Eisenhower a paranoid freak? Was Henry Ford an idiot? When we Keep Seeing wars for no apparent gain for the People, who is driving the policy? Why would ANYONE believe the answer is in a bub or dem majority in the administration? Both sides are being used by a power that is not friendly to the goals of a free people. And How CAN we be a Free People living in a Sovereign Nation while THAT NATION Borrows every Dollar spent? You act as if you know that Trump is worse than what Hillary would have been. You can believe that, but you can't Know that. I have a thread about why Trump was allowed to win. And I think he Really did win, and I think he won by a margin that would have been considered a Mandate had a dem won. But, hey, I'm a nutjob , just like when I told people their communications were being captured. Nobody wants to go listen to Charlotte Iserbyt and come to terms with the facts. Rather, they, the very people who have accused me of not being open minded when I said something was stupid, they don't Want the facts, because the Facts will destroy the axis of the Concept of Reality that your entire world is based on. Better to live in a comfortable construct than See what is actually happening. https://needtoknow.news/2017/03/515/ Think people are not being listened to? Yeah, they did the FISA game, so they could use it. But everyone is seen and heard, if you are big enough to be a threat, they don't Have to use the information they illegally obtained. If that needs further explanation, it's kinda long and for the people who don't already get it, convoluted. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/08/17 at 10:17:35 312235342B2620222976470 wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/ Quote:
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/08/17 at 10:47:18 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/17 at 10:59:56 The Dollars that Are Tax Revenue don't pay for our policy decisions. That's just the vig on the debt. Note that the income tax, means for paying the loan sharks, was created Prior To the creation of the Federal Reserve. Every dollar Starts as a debt. The Dollars paid in, in taxes and fees, were Created by the sales of Promissory notes, Tbills, Charlotte Iserbyt was In D.C.and a high ranking person In the department of education. Listen to her, it's painless and, if you're old enough to remember what was done, what she says is supported by what you saw. I saw it and knew something was wrong as a child. She explains it. What Fixes have been implemented by the goobs that actually improved our lives? The only thing they have touched was civil rights and suffrage, and as far as civil rights go, they are screwing that up now. It's time for them to get out of it and see what America does. At some point, moms and dads need to stop looking over the shoulders of the kids and let them have a shot at it. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/10/17 at 03:04:03 312F20212C312A37450 wrote:
Please elaborate, how did Trump benofit from voter Fraud? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/10/17 at 03:05:17 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUbE3-fKggM[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUbE3-fKggM Pretty interesting clip regardless where you stand. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/17 at 06:21:11 Until people step away from the emotional attachment that runs so deep that they lie to themselves in order to be able to keep believing, we can't even address the reality that our government is treating Americans as the enemy. And, I guess that's reasonable enough, considering that If the American People actually understood what they are doing to us and If the American People responded reasonably and appropriately To the things being done to us, we certainly wouldn't be friends. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/10/17 at 06:34:54 293E38343B2B590 wrote:
Please elaborate, how did Trump benofit from voter Fraud? Best regards,[/quote] Pretty simple concept - if "millions" were fraudulent, then that means it's widespread. If it's widespread, then it's only logical that trump would also benefit from it.... Oh, but I forgot, only republicans are honest, right? <<sarcasm LOL |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Trippah on 03/10/17 at 06:54:43 JOG, money is simply the easier way to handle barter. The Seneca Nation, back a few decades got angry at NY State, so they started paying all their bills in squirrel/deer skins. The precurser to National Grid wasn't happy? Money has to be backed by something, be it gold, silver, or the good faith of the government that produces the bills/coins. When a country's money can't be backed up, then it hits the fan. And in reality, it can't be. If a country defaults, are the people who hold those promissory notes going to drive up to you house and take your Samsung TV? No, they are going to withhold barter privlages. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/17 at 06:55:03 In one word, without any dancing, Can you name the party that Opposes voter ID? How to Hack an Election in 7 Minutes - POLITICO Magazine Politico › magazine › story › 2016/08 Aug 5, 2016 - He summoned a graduate student named Alex Halderman, ... There, they relentlessly hacked one voting machine after ...... the help of two graduate students, each barely out of college. Princeton professor easily hacks voting machine in ... - The College Fix The College Fix › post Aug 17, 2016 - Princeton professor easily hacks voting machine in seven ... Voter fraud, anyone? ... Step two: Employee an egghead grad student who can pick the machine's lock quickly and swap ... Want to Know if the Election was Hacked? Look at the Ballots ... Medium › want-to-know-if-the-election-... Nov 23, 2016 - America's voting machines have serious cybersecurity problems. That isn't news. ... (If my Ph.D. students and I were criminals, I'm sure we could pull it off.) If anyone reasonably skilled ... Scientists Find "Persuasive Evidence" Of Vote Hacking, ... Zero Hedge › news › scientists-find-pers... Nov 23, 2016 - Between the so-called 'Hursti Hack', questions over Soros-linked voting machines, some peculiarities ... College Students Hack Voting Machine- Change Votes votingmachinehacked.blogspot.com Aug 12, 2009 - Computer scientists reveal new voting machine hack successfully changed v I seriously doubt she actually won the popular vote. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/10/17 at 07:49:34 5D4244435E5968586850424E05370 wrote:
If you doubt that, then you MUST doubt the election in general. That is not debatable. It MUST be held again. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by Serowbot on 03/10/17 at 08:57:05 We don't know for sure if there was voter fraud or not,... but, we do know that Russia was hacking and attempting to interfere in the election... If they were successful,... who do you imagine it benefited?... Why did they hack the DNC but not the RNC?... Why was support for the Ukraine, the only element of the Republican Party platform that Trump insisted be removed?... Why was Rex Tillerson, Exxon C.E.O., Chosen as Secretary of State?... The only American to receive the Order of Friendship by Putin. Tillerson has no diplomatic experience, but huge ties to Russia. Where are Trump tax records?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/10/17 at 09:20:53 6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:
Game. Set. Match to Sero. |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by verslagen1 on 03/10/17 at 10:25:54 687E69746C79746F1B0 wrote:
There are at least some evidence of voter fraud, the extent would require an extensive audit. Russian hacking, Soros hacking... of voting machines, again, extensive audit. Russian interference, yet no outrage for bama interference in israeli elections. yawn. Hack the DNC but not the RNC? reports were they did but no scandalous leaks. yawn. Diplomatic experience... isn't that being friendly? How long did it take for Obama to publish his birth certificate? Are we about to see the same bengazy kangaroo court only headed by crats? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/10/17 at 17:06:29 786669686578637E0C0 wrote:
That may be the single worst retort I have seen on the TT, your argument is entirely predicated on "if". Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/10/17 at 19:10:01 7A6D6B6768780A0 wrote:
That may be the single worst retort I have seen on the TT, your argument is entirely predicated on "if". Best regards, [/quote] LMAO - So is the entire voter fraud issue!!! Wow... are you that blind?? There IS NO PROOF. What happened to the "big investigation" of these "millions of fraudulent votes"??? SMH |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by pg on 03/11/17 at 05:23:24 maybe trump won because of voter fraud... There IS NO PROOF. What happened to the "big investigation" of these "millions of fraudulent votes"??? You really need to pick a side of the fence and provide a sound consistent argument. Do you really expect us to entertain that mindless drivel? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/17 at 05:38:40 4057515D5242300 wrote:
What happened to the "big investigation"? If the US voting process is truly that corrupt, then ANY national elections this year should be ruled null. How do you not see that??? |
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Title: Re: Trumpgate? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/13/17 at 06:00:27 I totally agree. Wipe it clean and start over. Every voter vetted. Every vote cast on paper ballots and counted in public places where citizens can come and watch the counting. Hillary wouldn't have a chance. Sadly, Trump has already done enough against the people that he is no longer Seen as the candidate he sold. Gee, nobody saw that coming. I'm just bewildered by the constant yammering about meaningless crap by the critics. He talks weird. He farted. His fly was open. Cheese and Rice, look at the criminals he is putting in places that leave Americans with our butts hanging out. Goldman Sachs jerks in some SERIOUS places. Look at Policy issues. Plenty to criticize there. But, it seems like Identity is the Big Issue with so many people today, especially the left. The Tolerant Ones are the least tolerant. Amazing.. |
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