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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 11:25:42

Title: Healthcare R&R
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 11:25:42

https://mises.org/blog/repeal-and-replace-neednt-be-complicated

From a free market perspective.
Look at tuition. Look at year over year graphs.
Look at when the Goobs got into the loan business.
Who decided HMOs were a good idea? I hated that crap immediately. Gee, look at where we are now. And INSTEAD OF looking Back and thinking, the Dumbmasses seem ever content with Letting the nbghtchi h hv people who Did this, Fix it.

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by Serowbot on 03/12/17 at 12:45:09

I don't know how people can stare a system in the face, that works, is cheaper, is better liked, and has better outcomes... and then say that it can't work...
It is... it does... in nearly every civilized country in the world...

If we're special... it's short bus special... :-/

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 13:34:31

Well, I think I will stick with
Observed Reality.
I'm in Texas. Pretty fair trip from Canada, wouldn't you say?
When my wife was in Scott and White, Temple Texas, the RV parking lot was heavily populated with big vehicles with Canadian plates. I, being the thoughty type, considered the implication and, I believe, reasonably and rationally inferred from those facts that the Canadian people who could afford quality care would travel to have it.
It's called the Mayo clinic of the South.

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by pg on 03/12/17 at 14:31:22

3F293E233B2E23384C0 wrote:

It is... it does... in nearly every civilized country in the world...

This is not a partisan argument, but how are we civilized? How many people perished in wars during the last century? How many non-combative deaths were there? Have we evolved at all since the Roman empire?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

Best regards,

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 14:44:00

We're so civilized that we spend billions upon billions and kill people around the world while our own people do without. Yeah, the very definition of civilised.

And while we are on the merits of socialized medicine, I knew a guy on another forum who developed a chest cold. Went,did what they said, didn't cut it, went, did what they said, rinse, repeat, dead. He had Juuust Retired, no longer a cash cow for the system. Useless eater, suddenly dead.
I'm sure every Bamicare Believer will laugh, but if people don't know that rationing will be a part of the plan, they are dreaming.

When it's good enough for the politicians, it's good enough for everyone.

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by Trippah on 03/12/17 at 15:50:17

JOG - you have hit the target. The fact is that the wealthy can and will travel and pay large sums of money for the best health care (some of it cosmetic). The issue that everyone is ducking is the bottom quarter of the population. The bottom 10-15% have medicaid, which the Republicans want to role back.They cannot afford to go to hospitals, because if they are above the Medicaid levels they will end up thousands of dollars in debt which they will not be able to get out of. That means the hospitals will have to ask the states to reimburse them and obviously the states can't afford that. Especially in the states with very stringent Medicaid Rules (yes, they do happen to be the former slave states but that may be a historical anomaly, yes?).

Tax credits, they only help those who can afford the payments - the rich (OMG another Republican effort to help the wealthy keep more of their money - what a surprise). :o

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by Trippah on 03/12/17 at 15:54:55

Prior to the HMO debacle, rationing of health care was straight forward, the poor didn't have access. They got sick, fell out of the work force, became indigent dregs of society. Yes, we can spend billions to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people whose governments do not agree with ours. Why do the survivors hate us? I wouldn't hate you if your government bombed my town and killed my family. Gosh no. ;D

Title: Re: Healthcare R&R
Post by MnSpring on 03/12/17 at 21:43:50

WOW, Their is NOT, enough bandwidth on this web site,
to tell you how BAD, ‘Obama Care’ , is. ( aka in MN, called, ‘Mn-Sure’)

Two Hour +++++ Wait, for a Live person to answer the Phone.
RUDE, ARROGANT, SNOTTY, people answering the Phones.
Their STEELING MONEY !!!~!~!!!!!
(Had to get a State Senator and the Very Reluctant State AG involved)
The Gov, giving the top Mn-Sure officials a BONUS.
(when they would not last 5 min, in a private practice)

And ON, and ON, and ON, and ON, Etc., Etc., Etc., +++++++

Cheese and Rice, the Communist/Socialistic,
PO S HC, in other places are SO GOOD,
That MUST Be the Reason, That Rochester MN,
(Home of the Mayo Clinic)
The TOWN, is FULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Of Canadian License Plates.

He L L, JOG sees them in TX,
What the He L L, ?
how may do you think are in MINN ?????????

(*As the term was approved, as per the ‘moderator’, and the new Censorship rules, as per a very recent post)

"How's the sand taste with your head in it"?

Oh Yea, that, Communist/Socialistic,
“”” Other, ‘Civilized’, Nations ”””
One Payer System, works SO WELL !

Now, Is the NEW, System going to be BETTER ?
Don’t KNOW, YET.
DO Know, (without even reading it),
it will be LIGHT Years Ahead of bam a care.
And Better than the HMO’s.

When a Company makes a Aspirin,
And other companies buy it for, (in bulk), for 1/4 cent a pill,
Then re-bottle it, and sell it for, $0.02, to $0.06 apiece,
(depending on the brand name)
It is YOUR, Choice to purchase the 2 or 6 Cent pill.

BUT when you are Forced, that is FORCED,
to pay, $9.00, that is NINE DOLLARS
For something that cost, at the VERY MOST, 6 CENTS.
‘“Gotta A Problem Houston”

Nothing wrong with making a profit.
Nothing.
BIG Problem, with GOUGING, OBSCENE, OUTRAGEOUS.
THIS, is what needs to be fixed in HC.
Not the , Communist/Socialistic, crap, which,
by ‘Observed Reality’, is STILL CRAP.

1. HC in the USA IS, the Best.
2. HC in, a Communist/Socialistic, environment, is Crap.
(No incentive to do better)

So what’s Left?
HC Insurance Companies, OPEN, to EVERYONE.
Across ALL State Lines.
It is up to that Company, to decide on what they want to do.
NOT, a Monopoly, they way it is Now, (Again, Thanks Bam a)

Their is Competition, to lower HC Premiums.
Their is incentive, to make thing better.
(Drugs/Procedures)
Their is a net, to catch all those, who live under bridges.
(And a REAL, Process to determine, those, who, really need,
or those that drive a Lamborghini, to the food shelf)

Do you know, Heart By-Pass surgery in the USA,
costs, 250,000.000 - 350,000,000.00
In Taiwan, SAME THING, SAME THING,
costs 20,000.00 - 30,000.00
(And guess what folks, it's not 'cutting edge' like it was 40 years ago)

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