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Title: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/09/17 at 08:08:03 Hello all, Sorry to ask this same question YET again! I know I read the thread before, but I can't find it, even when I follow the search instructions... I want to know the recomended engine oil additive to increase my anti wear properties please. What do you all use, is there one that is wet clutch safe? Honest! I tried the forum search 1st

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by youzguyz on 06/09/17 at 08:13:19 Search for Redline ZDDP

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by Dave on 06/09/17 at 08:23:26 Learn to look in the Tech Section, there is an Table of Contents with links to most of the threads. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/10/17 at 03:40:08 Thank you, I will try and familiarize myself with the tech section, and search a bit more before asking questions, I wanted to know what brand the fellow Savage owners in this forum have had good luck with.

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by Papa Bear on 06/10/17 at 05:40:08 How much "anti-wear properties" do you think you need? How much do you think is "missing" in cheap good Rotella T (4)? Some pretty roads in the Olean area   8-)

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/10/17 at 06:38:23 The search for an oil is done. Get Rotella, synth if "Your baby deserves the best ", Dion if it's good enough. We have a mileage club. One guy ran over 150,000 miles, decided to rebuild, and the cylinder only needed honed, reran the piston.. diesel engines survive for half a million or more,

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/10/17 at 07:43:09 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote: The search for an oil is done. Get Rotella, synth if "Your baby deserves the best ", Dion if it's good enough. We have a mileage club. One guy ran over 150,000 miles, decided to rebuild, and the cylinder only needed honed, reran the piston.. diesel engines survive for half a million or more, Thank you, I'm more concerned with tappet and cam wear. I run Rotella, but the non synthetic 15w40. I read here in the forum to add the additive to even that, but I want to be sure the Eastwood type is wet clutch safePapa Bear Full Member *** Offline Posts: 204 Canada ... near the Motor City Gender: male       Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Reply #4 - Today at 08:40:08 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote How much "anti-wear properties" do you think you need? How much do you think is "missing" in cheap good Rotella T (4)? Some pretty roads in the Olean area   Yes it is very beautiful here in the Southern Tier of Western N.Y. state 2011 Fox Orange S40 Check out http://www.hogsforhospice.com/ 2016 Hogs for Hospice raised $50,000 https://vimeo.com/188610823

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by pam on 06/10/17 at 09:46:30 Hello folks, all the non responses are interesting...BUT... no one answered the simple question. I went and read the tech section...and great. It tells me ...sure a 1987 bike needs the additive.. BUT BUT BUT...it hasnt been updated, no one followed through...for example...does a bike after 1987 need it...YES or NO...???    I think he was wanting to simply  hear from people...who have used some product...??? and the many different ones.... and even after all the reading... my question still isnt answered...  I have a 2015 S 40...does it need the additive as well????? wish sometimes things were a bit more simple on here...

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by verslagen1 on 06/10/17 at 10:26:08 Here's one you missed... 6573647961747962160 wrote: What oil should I use?... The Savage is an old fashioned machine... It's valves are actuated by flat tappet rockers, instead of roller type followers... So,... it doesn't do well on modern automotive oils... It likes oils with a good ZDDP additive... These oils are usually motorcycle specific oils There are many "Oil Wars" posted in the RSD if you search for them... ... but,... if you just want a simple, safe, recommendation, the general consensus is... Use Shell Rotella T...or T6... This oil is approved for diesel and motorcycle engines, and comes in a synthetic (T6) or non-synth (T) grade... Either is fine... Synth is better, but more expensive... It's readily available at most US auto stores and WallMart... If you have more money to burn... Amsoil, Klotz, Mobil One Racing, or V-Twin are also good For more reading, details, and info... read here... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565 Use oils that are rated at least 40 on the second number... and 10w or less in winter, if you are in cold country... (5W-40 or 10W-40 for cold winter... 10W-40 or 20W-50 in hot summer)... ...or just 10W-40 year 'round if your climate is mild... Quote: Note... Oil plugs are just that... they plug the oil... They don't hold the engine in the frame.....they only need to be snugged down to keep oil from dripping. Too tight,.. and you can crack the engine case... Jes' snug it down,.. don't crank on it... (one handed, no arm effort, is fine)... ;)...

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by Papa Bear on 06/10/17 at 12:38:10 6E7F737D1E0 wrote: .... and even after all the reading... my question still isnt answered...   I feel your pain (no, really, I feel your pain) The simple truth can get so cluttered ..... I'm using Shell Rotella T (new designation is T4) and I do not plan on nor foresee any oil related issue on the horizon. Rotella T is dirt cheap, darn good and readily available -  that's all I "NEED"  ;)

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/10/17 at 13:30:11 So, Papa Bear you use rotella, no additives? So my rotella T4 triple protection sae 15w40 is fine?

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by Papa Bear on 06/10/17 at 18:08:50 Yes, I use the Rotella T with no additives. So does most of the world. I have a friend in Taiwan who says they sell 15W-40 HDEO diesel oil to most of the DIYer oil changers. Is it the absolute finest  - likely not. Will it be the cheapest and more than fill the needs of our engines - certainly.

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/10/17 at 19:49:16 2D2C23222120272625140 wrote: Yes, I use the Rotella T with no additives. So does most of the world. I have a friend in Taiwan who says they sell 15W-40 HDEO diesel oil to most of the DIYer oil changers. Is it the absolute finest  - likely not. Will it be the cheapest and more than fill the needs of our engines - certainly. Thank you PapaBear, :D I was concerned an engine oil additive that reduces wear, may cause my clutch to have issues. Now i can pursue one of the highly celebrated "versey"cam chain adjusters!

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by FL Savage on 06/10/17 at 21:02:10 Eastwood oil additive is re-bottled ZDDPlus. I've been using it for the last 6 years in my older Mopars. I once used any diesel oil without an additive until the zinc levels were also reduced in them. Now I use 6 qts of dino based Rotella with half of a 4 oz bottle of ZDDPlus. If I used conventional automotive oil that has less ZDDP than Rotella, I would use the whole 4 oz bottle.   I've have only put 110 miles on my 2004 Savage since I bought it. When the next oil change is due, I plan to use Rotella T-6 with about 1 oz of ZDDPlus. So this morning I sent an email to ZDDPlus to see if their product is compatible with jato  oils. https://zddplus.com/ http://https://i2.wp.com/zddplus.dreamhosters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/zddplus-oil-additive-300x300.png?resize=300%2C300

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by Dave on 06/11/17 at 03:13:50 Rotella by itself if most likely fine as long as they keep putting 1,200 ppm of ZDDP in it - we are trying to keep track of that and will let the forum members know once we discovered it has changed. A few of us "overthinkers" bump the ZDDP level up to 1,400 ppm. The ZDDP does not do anything good or bad to the clutch.....the only place it functions is in the high oil shear areas that occur at the cam lobes and the rocker arm faces. The "bad" oils have friction modifiers that make the clutch slip, and low levels (600 - 800 ppm) of ZDDP that allows the cam and rockers to wear out prematurely.

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/11/17 at 04:56:58 So Dave, I Could use some Eastwood ZDDP additive, with no worries, but its not needed? I do use the non synthetic Rotella T4 15w40

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by verslagen1 on 06/11/17 at 08:17:32 It should be noted that at least one of the "overthinkers" is an extended user... he changes his oil once a year. Long duration users (in excess of 2 to 3,000 miles) will need a bump to keep the chemistry up.

Title: Re: Eastwood oil additive??? Post by madmikesmech on 06/12/17 at 09:08:05 495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote: It should be noted that at least one of the "overthinkers" is an extended user... he changes his oil once a year. Long duration users (in excess of 2 to 3,000 miles) will need a bump to keep the chemistry up. Thank you, Verslagen1, I believe in changing my oil right around the 3000 mile mark. Hopefully the next time I dump the oil and filter, I'll be going in a lil deeper with one of your modified cam chain adjusters!!!! Mike

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