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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only click. /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1497233331 Message started by HillSavage on 06/11/17 at 19:08:51 |
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Title: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only click. Post by HillSavage on 06/11/17 at 19:08:51 After climbing the 100,000 steps to the Holy Temple of the Savage, HillSavage throws himself at the entrance to the cumulative stores of knowledge that the human collective consciousness holds. Please Sages of the Savage help this humble shade tree wrench monkey see the light! The Bike: 97 Savage 650, VerSlavy chain adjuster, lancer white spacer mod (haven't rejet the carb yet), some kind of shorty muffler, that's all she wrote. After a valve adjustment, and VerSlavy chain mod I was amped and ready to ride down to pick up m'lady two hours away. Twenty minutes into the ride after fueling up there was a loud pop after I fired up my savage and smoke started emitting from the ruptured signal relay. Pulled it and figured I would have a chance to catch up on my old times hand signals :-/ and continued the ride. About forty minutes later I heard another small pop, and my bike started losing power. At that point, I took the next exit and tinkered on the bike for a minute. Whitish smoke was wafting from under the seat maybe around the starter solenoid. Now my bike is only clicking, lights seem to be working (I'm trying to fire it in neutral). When I get home, I'm going to use jumper cables and check to see if I can get started to turn. When I bypass terminals with screwdriver at starter solenoid I only hear a click or two. Any other suggestions, or ideas towards the plan of action I should pursue? Thank you for listening ye gods of the Savage, may you have mercy on my sophomoric knowledge. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/11/17 at 19:32:24 Sounds like a broken plate in the battery. A simple load test at the local auto parts store would confirm that. Regarding the magic white smoke, if the battery shorted it may have taken sections of your wiring harness with it. When that happens, your harness becomes a fuse and the magic white smoke is released. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/11/17 at 19:35:24 5D575359525B5F56080E0A3A0 wrote:
Does that mean those sections of the harness are burnt toast? :-? |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/17 at 19:38:08 I'd be pulling the seat and everything else I had to to get eyes on where you saw smoke coming from. It Popped and Died and Smoked. Something electrical died. You're gonna hafta find that. Smoke came out of something. Use a light, your nose, check fuses, the schematic diagram isolates part of the harness if one fuse is blown. Observation is the first rule of Science. Fixing stuff requires a scientific approach. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/11/17 at 19:41:50 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
Seat came off immediately, I'm pretty sure the smoke was wafting out of air box, but I think that the starter solenoid sitting there blew and the smoke gathered in the box. Fuses are all good, connector for the starter relay seems a little on the beginning to melt side... |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/17 at 21:29:00 You can take a wire and connect to the battery and go straight to the solenoid. See if it will engage. Be in neutral. If you're alone, block the rear tire so any odd lurching it Might do won't drop it. Your intake snorkel might have some stench.. The Pop, Engine Off That's tough to guess. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/11/17 at 21:36:33 Pulled starter off, it works when powered with jumpers from my car battery. Would a faulty battery cause the electrical shortages and surges? Many thanks! Greg from Jersey, gonna get battery load tested in the a.m., then will be purchasing a new battery perhaps. Any thing else I should check on? |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/17 at 23:26:26 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
And a jumper cable from the battery to starter will prove battery and starter. Ether can help |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/12/17 at 09:10:39 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
And a jumper cable from the battery to starter will prove battery and starter. Ether can help [/quote] Both pops occurred while bike was running, first pop which was the signal relay popped at idle, and an unknown pop occurred while riding that lead to loss of power and ultimately a no start. Just bought a new battery and a voltmeter to start checking numbers. Sorry, don't know the lingo, electrical is new to me. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by Serowbot on 06/12/17 at 09:46:17 The pop, was probably just unspent fuel after the spark plug stopped firing... No concern... I'd focus on the electrics... Since the signal relay went first, look around there for any cooked wiring... |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/12/17 at 15:00:22 2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:
So this just turned into a whole new project, pulled the spark plug as I was going to check decomp adjustment and found this dun dun dunnnnnnnn....(see attached foto) I was like oh no! Piston is shot I suppose, any other thoughts? Perhaps would y'all mind directing me to the best course of action. Thank ye sage monks of the Savage. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by Serowbot on 06/12/17 at 15:17:50 Can I possibly get more wrong?... :-/ ;D ;D ;D... :-X |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/12/17 at 15:31:40 6274637E66737E65110 wrote:
Apparently, you were partially right, the fuel definitely didn't combust! I guess it's time to break down the upper part of motor and see where the damage lies? Any advice? I usually use cardboard and trace out where all the bolts are going so I don't lose anything or get confused. Sorry, this is well beyond the scope of anything mechanical I have had the pleasure of dealing with up at this point, and know nothing. I've read about Lancers wiseco 97mm (I believe) piston and cylinder bore from bore-tech. Should I also go ahead and start locating all the gaskets for the top end? Any one know of a kit? Also, can anyone point the way to a post that discusses pulling the piston? Trust me, I'm trying the search function. All that pops up for me is how to change front brake pads :'( Many thanks! |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/12/17 at 17:40:05 Found a sweet old thread, gonna start the break down tweako Rodrigo style tonight or first thing in the a.m. Any advice on what to look for, and while I'm doing a rebuild, does anyone care to hit me with a list of the obvious things that I should replace while I'm in there? I'm list oriented. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/17 at 18:46:58 If you can pull the Oil fill plug and blow compressed air in the plug hole, it will show you if the piston is busted. The air should go out the intake, or exhaust, or push the piston down. If it's coming out the fill hole, that is a bad sign. But either way, the look of your Plug says Eyeballs inside to me. Why you signal relay gave up is beyond me. The report of white smoke out of the air filter is making more sense though.. Super Bummer deal, man.. As you already pointed out Scientific approach to Dis Assembly makes going together much easier. Especially considering that you have no idea how long you will need to Remember everything.. You better make it easy on yourself. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/12/17 at 18:54:07 You're not gonna know what you need until you get it apart. It can be minor or major. If it's major, now would be a good time to consider a big bore kit. There is the possibility that the chunks got sucked cleanly out the exhaust valve, but I wouldn't count on it. Looking at that plug, things circulated on the way out. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/17 at 21:30:35 Might as well drain the Oil. See what kinda chunks you find. And check the valves. You may have dropped one. |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by HillSavage on 06/13/17 at 13:15:53 Hey all, Thanks for the advice, havent had time to break bike down today. Will hopefully have some time tomorrow. Got to get to the garden to help the plants grow! -Hill |
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Title: Re: Heard a pop, lost power, now bike will only cl Post by batman on 06/14/17 at 16:56:36 1)It may be that you set the valve clearances wrong, if you followed a Clymer book they say to rotate the motor clockwise ,which is incorrect ,you should rotate the motor the same as the wheels turn . 2) I'd also junk that "some kind of shorty muffler" for something more standard that you can tune the carb to.1) may have caused your valves not to seat or to bounce ,this could make the exhaust valves over heat as they hang out in the hot exhaust and need to seat to give up heat to the head ,thus cooling. 2) At the beginning of the intake stroke with the piston moving up toward top dead center ,the intake valve is opening but the exhaust valve has not fully closed. This is valve overlap and could have caused hot exhaust gases to explode the fresh incoming charge before the piston reached top dead center (engine knock) ,causing the damage to the sparkplug ,or valves or even putting a hole in the piston dome ,ring damage ,or whatever you may find. A unknown ,thus non -tuned, exhaust system may have contributed to this factor at certain speeds.I'm hoping you don't find any of of this, and wish you good luck! |
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