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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> How much does your candidate cost?... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1497888623 Message started by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 09:10:23 |
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Title: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 09:10:23 Sad state of affairs in Georgia. Record setting spending for a Congressional seat - mostly from out of state donors... http://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-special-election-between-handel-145105756.html Who's in your wallet? |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/17 at 09:41:01 Looks like she figured out how to get a handel on a chikkin leg. s have poured money into the campaign, which many are calling a referendum on Trump I wonder Who is calling it that and how quickly they will STFU if the bub wins. I understand your point is that the Big Money is pouring in from out of state. What can I say? It's a corrupted system. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by raydawg on 06/19/17 at 10:14:40 The question begs..... Why invest so much money without expecting it to pay dividends? Beliefs, as in societal preferences, is noble, I guess, but is that alone enough to buy? Power, money, the two feed off of each other, yet together form a force like a tornado that has the capacity to destroy anything in its path. Where does all this money used in campaigning go? To those enitites that report the "news". Gee, if I had a commodity and could convince others that they needed it, and it was in short supply, and getting more scarce.... I could manipulate wealth right to my doorstep. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/17 at 10:40:21 I can think of several INSTANT retirees if someone could mount an effective ad campaign for willful ignorance. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 10:44:46 3B28302D283E2E490 wrote:
Thus, the corporatism we now have in the US. But yeah, corporations are people, right? smh |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/17 at 10:46:01 The question begs..... Why invest so much money without expecting it to pay dividends? That question was answered long ago. When Trump won, the Clinton Foundation's cash dried up..... No one believed those donation were for anything other than influence. There has never been nor will there ever be a more corrupt family that the Clintons. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 11:04:13 7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:
Chicken and egg argument. Who's more corrupt, the buyers or the sellers? Our president actually boasted about how he "bought politicians". Does that make it right? An argument could be made on both sides - you can't have corruption with only one... As to the ROI on legalized bribery? There's no question - it pays off massively. Look at the banks as just one of many huge "dividends". |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/17 at 11:14:25 The sellers are always more corrupt. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 11:24:17 774542535445526D41524B200 wrote:
Why? If you're conspiring to buy a candidate, why are you not as guilty? If a thief robs a bank and has a guy on the inside helping him - who is "more guilty"? |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/17 at 11:30:48 The people who are stalling and blocking permits to build until they are bribed are the problem. Who is more guilty? The mob demanding Protection money or the merchant who will suffer if he doesn't pay? The government official who won't do his job and get you your permits until you grease his palm or you, for paying? |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 11:45:09 2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:
Like I said - it goes both ways. The huge corporations that buy their tax breaks are just as guilty as the ones that propose the tax breaks. They are equally corrupt. They are equally to blame. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/17 at 11:58:15 You dodged my example. You're pissed that trump admitted to buying the access. The only way to Buy anything is It's FOR SALE. The moral burden is on the government to be incorruptible. I can't say what my representatives Cost, but I have a Definite Answer for what they are Worth. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/17 at 12:12:12 Jog is correct. Whose more guilty? The pusher preying on the addicted user or the user? You're motives behind this argument are pretty transparent. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 12:23:14 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
Transparent how? That I hold corporations in contempt? Well duh!! But I'm no friend to most on Capitol Hill... I'm NOT saying that bought off politicians aren't JUST as guilty - I'm saying that the corporations are NOT innocent either. It's two ways of saying the same thing. The SYSTEM is corrupt. And, thanks to citizens united, it's gotten even more so. A congressional race should not cost anyone $50 million. IMHO, we should have state sponsored campaigns. Each candidate gets X amount of money to run a campaign. No one buys, no one sells, no one feels obligation. That, and consecutive term limits. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/17 at 13:03:30 By the way, there's a bit more to this story than on the original link: The Democratic candidate, Jon Ossoff, a 30-year-old documentary-film producer and former congressional aide, has drawn national attention and managed to raise an incredible $23.6 million, largely from donors outside of the district and state. But in money raised, Ossoff has blown Handel out of the water — thanks in part to the Golden State. Between March 29 and May 31, Ossoff reported receiving 7,218 donations from California, dwarfing the 808 donations he received from Georgia. In the nine Bay Area counties alone, he received 3,063 donations in the same time period. (Those are only a fraction of his total donations, as he doesn’t have to report donations from people who give less than $200 in total.) Overall, he reported receiving $456,296.03 from California — and $220,532.10 from the Bay Area — versus just $228,474.44 from Georgia. Not to mention a cool million from a national liberal website with no special ties to Georgia. The last special election that the Dems painted as a second election against Trump, Kansas, didn't turn out too well for them. Way more money spent on this one. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/17 at 13:05:53 073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:
Yep - it's proving the point that the more money you have, the better you do in an election. Sad - I always thought that it was how well you served your constituents... silly me. |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/17 at 16:13:13 You seem to want to limit WHO can support a candidate. The question I have is WHAT can be Do for those donors that would justify their donations? Without immediately looking at corruption, let's explore another potential answer. I can understand how people in California or Anywhere the democrats have been in charge would want to see the dems as powerless as possible. People who have any sense and some money Do Not want more of the insanity. The fewer dems in office, the safer we all are. Doubt that? Look at the states gaining population. Look at the ones Losing population. Sadly, they are not all bubs leaving the places dems have destroyed. They bring their toxic political and economic ideology. Fade to blue... |
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Title: Re: How much does your candidate cost?... Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 05:56:37 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
LOL - toxic... yeah, look at the GOPer budget and the healthcare bill, look at the rauner "success", look at the brownback "success".... It just so happens that six of the top ten best state economies are democratic led... conversely, in the bottom ten, six are republican led... http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-state-economic-rankings-governor-ratings.html Sorry, the dems aren't the only problem. |
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