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Title: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 09:53:08 Bernie's got a great point - what are these 13 men hiding? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92iUGx4K-10[/media] |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/17 at 10:50:41 You'll hafta pass it to see what's in it. So, your selective outrage falls on deaf ears. You had nothing to say about the absolute TYRANNICAL way they shoved the Incredibly Ironically named Affordable Care Act down our throats. I'm not gonna approve of what is happening, but it's just the end of the game. Obama started it. Both sides will have stabbed Americans in the back, so, it won't be THE REASON someone votes for whichever lying sack they hope isn't lying. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 11:07:04 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
I think you're wrong - in that there are only 2 sides. Case in point - Bernie Sanders. Yes, the ACA needs amending - but not gutted. Healthcare in the US should be a right, not a privilege. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/17 at 11:48:02 LMAO - compared to what's happening now, the ACA debate looks like the the 9/11 Commission Hearings! 1) you've been somewhat tolerable as of late TT, don't be a thingy and start the whole lmao every freaking comment.... 2) Nothing remotely true about your statement. The author of Obamacare has said they hid the fact they were scamming the public. It was a huge bill, as large as a book, was introduced and passed within a week. As we known, hardly any congressmen actually read much less studied it and the implications carefully. So you can try to rewrite history, but that's all it is, rewriting history. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/17 at 11:53:41 at least you've brought up the single question that needs answering. Is healthcare for all citizens a right? As a nation, we've decided a certain level of health care/insurance for seniors (medicare) and extreme poor (medicade or various other names) is a right. We've further said emergency care is available for anyone one at anytime: hospitals and doctors are legally obligated to offer a certain level of care regardless of ability to pay. The question becomes for the rest of us; the workers; is a minimum standard of heathcare a right that can be demanded of US citizens? That's the question. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 11:58:28 675552434455427D51425B300 wrote:
BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!! You're funny web... How much debate has AHCA had? How much did ACA have? Those two simple little questions are enough... but I'll add some more.. Why is the AHCA writing process being kept behind closed doors? How can throwing 23 million people off health insurance be good? Why give massive tax credits to the richest in the US? ($7 million on average) Why does every major medical association in the US reject the AHCA? And still, I have more, but I won't bore you with them - you should find out for yourself. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 11:59:39 487A7D6C6B7A6D527E6D741F0 wrote:
I think the only answer is - Yes, healthcare should be a right to every American citizen. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/17 at 12:42:09 726C63626F726974060 wrote:
BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!! You're funny web... How much debate has AHCA had? How much did ACA have? Those two simple little questions are enough... but I'll add some more.. Why is the AHCA writing process being kept behind closed doors? How can throwing 23 million people off health insurance be good? Why give massive tax credits to the richest in the US? ($7 million on average) Why does every major medical association in the US reject the AHCA? And still, I have more, but I won't bore you with them - you should find out for yourself. [/quote] Fine. Be a d!ck then. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 12:47:59 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
Awwwww.. you don't wanna answer any of my questions? How come? Are you going to admit that your statement "It was a huge bill, as large as a book, was introduced and passed within a week." is totally false? Now c'mon web..... who's really being the d!ck here, hmm?? LOL (threw that one in for good measure...) |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by pg on 06/20/17 at 13:30:04 5B454A4B465B405D2F0 wrote:
Why? Really, how come?? A society can only utilize the resources it produces, we have $20 T reasons to support that argument. I'll play the devils advocate, why not everyone on the planet? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/17 at 13:59:41 Should... According to WHOM? |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 14:09:38 2334323E3121530 wrote:
Why? Really, how come?? A society can only utilize the resources it produces, we have $20 T reasons to support that argument. Why punish the innocent? Where did the debt come from? It's pretty well known that we could EASILY afford healthcare for all. I'll play the devils advocate, why not everyone on the planet? Sorry, but the US is NOT the caretaker of the world - but in that vein - ALL developed nations except the US have universal healthcare. Best regards,[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 14:12:45 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
I dunno - let's say common decency. The question you might want to ask is - why is the US the only developed country to NOT provide universal healthcare? "Sorry Jimmy, your surgery is going to bankrupt us - you'll have to suffer and hope that you heal yourself..." |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/17 at 15:12:03 I'm sure everyone is unhappy that because our foreign policies have been driven by a warmongering elite and our nation is in debt and our industrial capabilities are nothing like preNafta, and now, every household is allotted a piece of the debt, which COULD HAVE BEEN , instead of a debt, America Could have prosperity. We will never know. Our constitution is subverted and our money a perverse joke, a yoke of bondage, and our abilities to pay for said health care is nonexistent Without Everyone being taxed more. What, soak the rich? YOU'RE Rich in the eyes of the homeless. Start down that road Instead of walk BACK to what was working. GENIUSES |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by pg on 06/20/17 at 15:38:47 2C323D3C312C372A580 wrote:
Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 15:41:00 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
It's people like you that have allowed the rich to take more and more of my paycheck (if it's republican - it's good!). It's not the poor's fault - it's the corporations and the top 5%'s fault. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/17 at 15:45:52 243335393626540 wrote:
LOL - once again, you only read HALF the sentence - but in that vein - ALL developed nations except the US have universal healthcare. Typical GOPer mentality.... Best regards,[/quote] Wow - you honestly still have faith in tweety??? Silly me for thinking you might be more intelligent than that....lol |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by pg on 06/20/17 at 16:07:30 796768696479627F0D0 wrote:
Spoken like a true Democrat - Marxist, "I'm entitled to that because someone has it." Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/17 at 16:15:12 Is our capacity to PAY infinite? Can you have EVERYTHING you want? We're spread all over the world UNLIKE ANY OTHER COUNTRY, We COULD have been the World's Leading Economy, and we WERE, We were the Lenders.. Ohhh but not now. And it sure asHellwasnt People like me. I was pointing out that once everyone is able to Destroy the World, more bombs is no greater deterrent. You think threatening to Kill me TWICE is scarier than the First time? GENIUSES.. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by MnSpring on 06/20/17 at 18:59:24 healthcare should be a right to every American citizen Well, if the USA, did not have a Military, which is LARGER, the the 5 next nations, COMBINED. If the USA, did NOT, give Gobs of money, to every, dictator, and every bwana republic, with their hand out. If the USA, did not give, gobs of Money, to EVERY, IL - Legal, in this Country. If the USA, did Not pay to Import, and give gobs of money to ALL, Refuges. If the USA, did Not PAY/Host the U.N.. Well then, Gee, maybe a, ’Socialist’ H.C. System would work? Hey, here’s a idea, Collect Money, from ALL, the Countries, WE, "PAY To Protect" (Yea That'll work) |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by mpescatori on 06/20/17 at 23:56:48 Permission to pitch in my own two cents' Worth. The USA are not my Country and I do not pay my taxes to the USA BUT every time I turn on the TV I hear the same news... How much do you pay privately to send your children to school? Or are schools k-12 part of a Federal/State/County program ? How much do you pay privately anytime you call 911 and ask for the Police / Fire Dept.? Or are Police and Fire Depts. a combined Federal / State / County program ? How much do you pay every time you drive your car/bike out of the garage and into the streets ? Or is Vehicle Licensing and Road Maintenance part of a Federal / State / County program ? Having said that... given that the Nation has ascertained that one needs to live in a safe and secure environment in order to work and earn one's money and pay due taxes... ...shouldn't that same Nation do all that is possible in order to make sure said Citizen is also in a fit state of health in order to work and earn his money and pay due taxes ? ::) ::) ::) Please explain why health care is like a restaurant, bread and water are free but anything else you must pay for... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by raydawg on 06/21/17 at 04:53:40 Mister P, it's perception, or better yet, how it's presented. Look at your example. Those thinking they are entitled to bread and water, never intendeding to buy a meal with their own money. Just taking up space, resources, and time of others. While workers on their lunch have to return back to work, hungry, because these freeloaders wouldn't surrender the booth. One politician promises them more bread to choose from, free. The other points out these folks only take away and burden the worker bees, and will stop it..... While both politicians take from the rich, with a wink and a nod. Who wins? The one who has orchestrated this whole affair..... The fake media. They need products, stories, to get folks hooked to the soap opera so they can sell advertising, etc. Everyone lines up according to which slot they believe they will hit their own jackpot. Screw everyone else. Our highest court has ruled money is free speech. We can not argue that money isn't then, power. Together they are a force without peer. So who do you think wins the argument of interrupting what freedom means? |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/21/17 at 06:03:23 2235333F3020520 wrote:
Spoken like a true Democrat - Marxist, "I'm entitled to that because someone has it." Best regards, [/quote] Well pg - if the AHCA passes, you won't have to worry. Your healthcare will be affected too. You might lose it, be taxed on it, see your premiums go up for the same care, maybe your relatives will lose theirs, etc. But yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be ok... you go ahead support tweety and his band of morons. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/21/17 at 06:11:13 716E686F72754474447C6E62291B0 wrote:
Eye on the ball there jog. I'm talking about healthcare - don't hijack. How much would medicare for all cost? Look it up. How much are we going to spend on tweety's tax breaks? Look it up. Are the rich and corporations paying less or more than they were in the 70's? Look it up. How much corporate welfare was given out last year alone? Look it up. It's not about wanting everything, it's about doing what's right. If America is so god-darned great, why do we have people dying due to lack of medical care? |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by Trippah on 06/21/17 at 06:43:57 Thankfully our Navy is working hard to increase our need to increase our defense spending, which is why we can't afford health care. I see hundreds of grossly overweight people every time I go to the mall, due in large part to horrible eating habits due in large part to the cost of good healthy foods and due in large part to horrible lifestyle. And the NRA part of our health care system is working just fine. Half the deaths by gunshot are blacks, and 2/3 of the suicides by gun are native americans (AKA Indians). Now if only the AIDS epidemic among the gays hadn't been "controlled" so quickly. AH well, maybe next epidemic (which obviously will come via wetback from Mexico) so we will hafta build the Wall, unless it can be designed to zap the browns, in which case The Donald will switch to a super bridge. Did I miss anyone? Now I'll get my tongue out of my cheek and let it go back to my missing tooth filling until I can save up the money for a crown! $950 Arrg. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by raydawg on 06/21/17 at 07:11:40 What you worried about...... Trump wants to defund planned parenthood..... And will reach across the isle for a bipartisan new program..... Planned Personhood, where anybody who can't stand the threats of Muslims, ISIS, global warming, gun control, taxes, education, fake news, healthcare, and even politicians themselves, will get a free life abortion, at no cost..... |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/21/17 at 07:34:51 193F243D3D2C254D0 wrote:
AWE-SOME!!!! |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by verslagen1 on 06/21/17 at 10:05:19 776966676A776C71030 wrote:
It's people like you that have allowed the rich to take more and more of my paycheck (if it's republican - it's good!). It's not the poor's fault - it's the corporations and the top 5%'s fault. [/quote] It's generally accepted that bub's reduce the size of government and lower taxes. whereas dem's increase and increase. So if the rich are taking more and more of your paycheck, isn't that because you're not earning it? |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by verslagen1 on 06/21/17 at 10:19:19 726F7A6C7C7E6B706D761F0 wrote:
Taxes for schools, police, are in the property taxes. Roads are paid for in vehicle and fuel taxes. And it's my understanding that in EU, bread and water are a menu item. IMO, UHC is desirable, just not at this moment of extreme debt. And shoulda been phased in... free emergency care with true triage of non-emergency. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by T And T Garage on 06/21/17 at 10:47:01 7C6F7879666B6D6F643B0A0 wrote:
LOL - so, I pay more in taxes than the rich - um, how is that MY fault?? It ain't. The burden is currently on my shoulders (since I'm part of the middle class). I feel that's wrong. Why is my burden so high and someone making over a million has virtually no impact on them? Argue all you want about "trickle down" - it just doesn't (and won't) work. *note - I use the word "burden" for a reason. |
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Title: Re: Why the secrecy? Post by mpescatori on 06/21/17 at 12:50:47 352631302F2224262D72430 wrote:
Taxes for schools, police, are in the property taxes. Roads are paid for in vehicle and fuel taxes. And it's my understanding that in EU, bread and water are a menu item. IMO, UHC is desirable, just not at this moment of extreme debt. And shoulda been phased in... free emergency care with true triage of non-emergency.[/quote] Hi Verslagen :) For starters, the EU is a banker's dream and the citizens' nightmare. Having said that, water and bread are generally free of charge in the Mediterranean basin, but once you go inland (i.e. Austria, Germany, Hungary tc.) they are to be paid for, each and every bun. Unfortunately, I feel Raydawg has misunderstood my description or my example. It doesn't matter how rich or poor you are, K-12 schools will give you the same educaiton and once you pay your money you will get exactly the same lunch. I find that extremely educational... only in school and in the Army will kids realize there's more to life than the label on your jeans... On the other hand, if I am a Citizen and work and pay taxes I am (in Europe) entitld to all the health care I need, on a case by case basis. Trippah, you need a crown? H3LL, you need it to chew and feed yourself, go to a hospital and have it fixed free! OK, you may be on a long'ish waiting list but hey! the budget can only afford so many patients/day. Anyone need a ultrasound for your pregnant wife? Go to Gyno/Obstetrician in Hospital and book it! Free ! (Oh look, there's a slot in April 2018... take it or pass?) OK so I made fun of my own system BUT it's a fair system. Rich teenage girls wanting a boob job at 17 will certainly NOT go to National Health Care, but no later than 7 o'clock tonight I was in a Pediatric Hospital chatting to a Hungarian couple who had come to Rome for life-saving treatment for their 7 month old twins. Poor as dirt, in Hungar the babies would have died (somekind of nervous atrophy) but here there's a (slim) chance they may make it to at least age 5. European Health care will NEVER catch on in the USA for ONE simple reason: how many County/State hospitalòs are there, and how many private hospitals? How many "Mount Lebanon / Carmel / Methodist" hospitals ? All private - they make money outof your being ill. In Europe, on the other hand, hospitals were joined to temples since... 3000 BC ? So it was priests specialized in medicine who looked afetr patients... Fast forward 5000 years to 2017, little has changed: many civil (goerment) hospitals, many run by religious orders. But NOONE will send you away because you haven't got $1000 for a crown... |
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