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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Re: Ken Burns Vietnam /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1506392256 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/17 at 22:08:26 |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/17 at 22:08:26 I don't want to watch lies, and I'm Pretty Sure they won't say how we justified going in. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by thumperclone on 09/26/17 at 03:36:18 have been catching most of it jog: they did say and show the so called "justification" and they are showing other lies, series is up to 1969 I thought you are a VN era vet? making judgments without research? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/26/17 at 09:25:36 716D706875607766696A6B60050 wrote:
I wore the ribbon, never left the states. After biting ten crap sandwiches, you think I should take a bite of a sandwich in the same wrapper with the same smell before I say no? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by thumperclone on 09/27/17 at 15:33:10 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
I wore the ribbon, never left the states. After biting ten crap sandwiches, you think I should take a bite of a sandwich in the same wrapper with the same smell before I say no? [/quote] open your mind any? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/27/17 at 17:42:39 I don't think I need to get educated on it any more. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by thumperclone on 09/28/17 at 16:11:17 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
they say ignorance is bliss you must be one happy ... ;D |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/28/17 at 19:08:04 I don't spend time studying basic math. I'm educated, already. I KNOW about the Vietnam war. So, STFU asshat |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by thumperclone on 09/29/17 at 03:36:40 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
wow you really are in a ostentatious state of bliss! |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/17 at 08:26:53 Like our boys ordered to not fire until fired upon? Take the hill,retreat, take it again tomorrow? Here, boys, have this m16, And how many men were found dead with their weapon torn down,in their lap? I KNOW we had no business being there. I KNOW we were lied to in order to create support for it. I KNOW we didn't really try to win. It was just an opportunity for some sick bastards to get richer and deplete America . And THAT was lasttime America was allowed to see what U looks like. Thanks for the concern, but I don't have time to invest in it, not interested,don't trust the facts presented to Actually BE facts I'll read what details you find interesting. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by old.indian on 09/29/17 at 10:42:15 Wife is watching. NOT me.. I asked her, but evdently Burns isn't talking about the telephone calls to the mothers' "YOUR SON WAS A BABYKILLER WHO GOT WHAT HE DISERVED!" Or the fact that a returning vetern couldn't get a job. Nor the guys in wheelchairs being spit on at the airport. How about the laddies who told veterns "While you were putting your buddies in body bags, I was getting laid for burning my draft card at peace rallies." Yeah, I've seen Ken Burns version of "History" with his WW2 "documentry" that ignored the minorities like the Hispanics etc. I don't need more B.S.... |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/17 at 11:00:11 Time will stop when the truths about how we have been lied to in order to manufacture consent for more war. It wont be televised to tthe dumbmasses. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/17 at 12:17:50 283429312C392E3F303332395C0 wrote:
they say ignorance is bliss you must be one happy ... ;D [/quote] Name one thing I have suggested reading that youve read or an interview youve listened to. For someone like you ttocall me ignorant is just funny. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by thumperclone on 09/29/17 at 17:28:56 "I wore the ribbon, never left the states." one word that describes you to the core: POSEUR crawl back in your hole MAGOT |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/17 at 17:42:10 What makes me a poseur? You were in the military? WTF do you know about anything? I was Ordered to buy it and wear it. I SERVED during the war. You can apologise, profusely, now. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by thumperclone on 09/29/17 at 17:51:25 if you were not in Nam for 90 days you are a POSEUR for wearing the ribbon I don't care what the USAF told you you want an apology come up to the mountains and I'll get you one or two or more MOGGOT |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/17 at 18:42:57 I could have been sent, possible, unlikely, we were coming out in 73. Interesting that YOUR ignorantass is able to tell me what the military said was wrong. That's pretty seriously arrogant. I FIGURED they knew THEIR RULES. I shoulda asked You. You are so ignorant.. Learn to spell. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/30/17 at 14:13:49 5B475A425F4A5D4C4340414A2F0 wrote:
Now don't you feel like a man? And WTF is a moggot? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/01/17 at 09:44:45 DeClone, DeJoke, |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by snels516 on 10/02/17 at 09:37:51 You were ordered to purchase and wear the Vietnam Service Medal having never been deployed to Vietnam or any qualifying locations? It sounds more like it should have been the National Defense Service Medal since you served during a eligible period but did not deploy. I wore the NDSM Bc I joined in a time of war. I didn't wear the Iraq Campaign Medal until it was awarded after I actually deployed there. Is the VSM on your 214 or did they just tell you to wear it? And to be clear I'm in no way trying to diminish your service. My questions are simply out of curiosity. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/17 at 10:58:03 Everyone who Served while we had men in Nam wore it. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by snels516 on 10/02/17 at 16:00:32 "It" being the VSM? Was it reflected on everyone's 214? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/17 at 16:27:17 After 42years I should know? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by snels516 on 10/02/17 at 17:39:57 I would think most folks would know if they were ever actually awarded a medal but forget it. I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to take anything away from another vet. As I said it was just my own curiosity that had me asking. I don't know why the other guy felt the need to attack you. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/17 at 18:19:28 It wasn't some Award ceremony. We enlisted WHILE our guys were in Nam. Everyone in basic training was told to buy the medal and wear it on the dress blues. We did. Anyone who questions that just doesn't know how it works. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by snels516 on 10/03/17 at 04:50:57 That answers my question, thank you. And you're correct that I don't know how it WORKED. I do know how it WORKS now though. And again I wasn't questioning your service or integrity. I enlisted while our guys were already in Iraq and Afghanistan and we wore the National defense right off the bat. Things just worked a little different 40 years ago I get it. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/03/17 at 08:41:01 My Service was inspired by being an 18 yo kid who had no means to make enough money to live on and Not be single. The paycheck is what most of the people who enlist are after. Education, experience in a field that they can use to make a living once they get out. A career and pension is something a minority are after. Protecting our Freedoms? Get real. You're looking at a tremendously narrow part of the people who enlist. Pat Tillman thought that was some part of the mission. Once he realized that farce and started telling people he was gonna tell America what was really going on when he got home, well, he got triple tapped.. If the military is protecting our Freedoms I wanna know who is the THREAT. And why does it look like they are losing? |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by WebsterMark on 10/03/17 at 10:49:54 Last nights episode I watched took us up through 1973, right after the Watergate break-in was reported on. One of the most interesting things last night was the tape recordings between Nixon and Kissinger. I have certainly heard about those recordings but never actually listened to them. Nixon demanding his "plumbers" break into the Brookings institute, cracked the safe to steal any compromising reports was incredible to listen to. I was thinking while watching it, how often we justify the phrase "the end justifies the means". answering that is not as easy as it first seems. Put yourself in the oval office back then. Those decisions aren't easy to make. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/03/17 at 12:25:25 After seeing other Documentaries, I expected Bullshit. I was right. http://www.rense.com/general96/KBreinvents.html We destroyed them and injured ourselves immeasurably, and still lost All based on a LIE. And the game works on the Dumbmasses over and over and over again. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by WebsterMark on 10/03/17 at 12:47:42 Burns’ Vietnam War episodes tried making America’s ugly past look respectable - ignorant individuals alone buying it. I don't know how anyone who watched it could say Burns was trying to make the US government seem respectable. I didn't see that. It begins quoting unindicted war criminal Henry Kissinger, deplorably saying America needs to “heal the wounds and put Vietnam behind us.” It ends with Beatles’ anti-war activist John Lennon’s “Let It Be” over the credits. And in between, it puts Kissinger's comments in context and I don't think anyone watching it would have thought those comments were valid. To the contrary. Have no idea who this Stephen Lendman guy is, but I think he started out with an axe to grind and found it. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/03/17 at 16:27:30 I find Lendman often, different places. I don't agree with everything he says at all. But, if the series didn't straight up state that we went in based on lies, then it's a LIE. Kissinger is certainly a bad guy. Should be in prison or coffin, either one suits me. He may have croaked, I don't remember. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by WebsterMark on 10/04/17 at 05:25:39 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/10/04/in_pbs_vietnam_war_not_all_voices_get_equal_play_135164.html |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 14:18:01 My question is Did they actually SAY that the Aggression that we Responded to Never Happened And The reason we went in was A Lie? No. It's just a thinly veiled attempt to revitalize the chest thumping patriotism that supports illegal, immoral, unjustified military aggression. Nobody wants to explain exactly How these wars use our military to Protect our Freedoms. Come on, explain How our Freedoms have been threatened and by whom. I won't be holding my breath. Whoever wasted their time drinking Burns' Eighteen Hours of Kool-Aid got propagandized. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 17:31:58 C'mon, surely there's Someone who gets pissed off at the Kneelers who can explain WHY they are supposed to make the Affirmative political statement by standing and doing as they are TOLD, show proper Respect for the military who have fought and died to protect his Freedoms. What about the freedom to Not stand and honor military aggression and the unreasonable, unjustified, illegal, destruction that we were conned into supporting. What wars have we been in that we would have lost Freedoms had we not engaged in, aside from the War of Independence? If you can't reasonably make an argument there, and you're offended by people taking a knee, you need to figure that out. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by MnSpring on 10/07/17 at 17:38:46 “…How these wars use our military to Protect our Freedoms. …” Here is my, ’Shot’, at it. 1775 = Most Defiantly 1776 = Most Defiantly 1785 = Most probably 1786 = ? (Maybe) 1791 = Maybe 1798 / 1801 / 1811, = NO 1812 = Yea Defiantly Next 8 = Mostly, ‘Indian Wars’ 1838 = Yea 1846 = Yea Defiantly Next 14 = Mostly Indian wars 1861 = (You decide, if you tear down Statues, of that event) Next 29 = Mostly Indian 1910 = Yea Next 6 to the, ‘Great War’, No The Great War = Most Defiantly Next 2 = No 1941 = Most Defiantly Next 25, to the present. = NO (Just the opportunity, for the $2,000.00 Hammer) So the 25 after WWll, If this Nation held a, ‘Isolation’ view, Totality Not Necessary. If they did Not, hold a, ‘Isolationist’, view. Then they may have some Merit. All Except V.N. That, was a Total Joke. In 2-3 years, ‘COULD’, have Completely done it. (But was, NOT, Allowed to) |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 19:40:44 Don't confuse nonintervention with isolationist. We have no business nation building. And what have we built? It's a load uvshit. The media is used to tell us that someone is mistreating the people. It's a humanitarian mission. So, we wreck the country and kill a buncha people,,, We better Hope no busybody asshats decide to save us from ourselves. |
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Title: Re: Ken Burns Vietnam Post by WebsterMark on 10/08/17 at 05:19:22 Finally finished last episode. Overall, I'd say this was a fair look back at Vietnam. It's always hard looking back on major events because hindsight vision can't transport you back in time when the events were real. It's easy to say we should have never gotten involved. If North Vietnam overran South Vietnam in a matter of weeks or months in the early 60's, then who's to say what would have happened afterwards? That's an interesting argument, but I don't have the background for it. Vietnam was closer to my age but I know far more about WWII than Vietnam. No one came out looking particularly well except the kids who were forced to fight. There was even arguments explaining how war crimes occur in all wars, but in this one, the situation made it inevitable that now only would they happen, but they would be more visible to the public. Jane Fonda was rightfully torched. As was John Kerry. Nixon was rightfully crucified as well. don't remember who it was but someone presented a case that of the 3 Presidents involved in this mess. JFK, LBJ and Nixon, it was Nixon who got the most "value" for the lives lost. |
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