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Title: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/27/17 at 12:14:57 I was hoping for some real information re: the JFK files, bummer. Not sure why Trump caved in to the professional crooks on the matter. Why can't we see all of the information? |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by verslagen1 on 10/27/17 at 12:50:09 maybe they're waiting for someone to die. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by Serowbot on 10/27/17 at 13:08:30 No matter how much is ever released,.. there will always be that one bit missing... That's the bit conspiracy theorists are waiting for that says whoever they think done it,.. did it... CIA, FBI, Castro, Russia, LBJ, Dallas police, Secret Service, Elvis,... or some combination of the above... I remember Roger Ebert's review of the Oliver Stone film,... "It's a whodunnit,. where everybody dunnit."...;D |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by verslagen1 on 10/27/17 at 13:35:20 watched some of the rehash last night. They did a good job of disproving the multiple shooter theory Oswald was an idiot, made it home, could of hid out for several days before they tracked him down. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/17 at 13:45:46 Did they explain why they shipped the car to Ford and sanitized it? Explain why the Secret Service guys were told to get off the back bumper seconds before the shots? I was reading the paper and watching news. The potential witnesses who died was just beyond reasonable. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/27/17 at 13:53:59 Yeah, I am still hungry. I lean toward an inside job, anything else would seem to have no consequences for revealing it.... |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/17 at 19:12:57 Explain the scenario that makes it necessary to hide the truth. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/27/17 at 19:56:13 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
I think Jackie knew who did it. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/17 at 20:43:22 Good explanation |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/27/17 at 21:37:06 Jog, I have absolutely no way to discern the real truth, none. Whatever it is has/had a lot of power. The magnitude of cooperation it takes to keep the findings under wraps exhibits just how darning it must be. What could possibly hold such sway? All the speculation of a foreign government being involved would not rise to that threshold. Nor would a rogue faction in any one department garner that much protection this late in the game. Now in the other hand if it was a concerted effort by multiple departments, orchestrated from say, a LBJ, then it would have the capacity to shake our system of governance to it very foundation. Our world standing, our financial standing, not to mention the attack of competing political system, how they would use this as a example as to why democracies won't work, as they bolster their own grip on their domains. Would it not be hard for us then to preach about the tyrannies and dictators, as evil....yes? I don't know Jog. Far better minds than mine have wrestled with the possibilities, and all we have to show for it is a best guess scenario. You take a stab at it, you might even hit a two-fer..... Who killed JFK and where in the heck did OJ hide the knife ;D |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/17 at 22:09:20 425D5B5C41467747774F5D511A280 wrote:
Read it carefully. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/28/17 at 06:19:51 2E3137302D2A1B2B1B23313D76440 wrote:
I don't believe any of those things occured. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 07:04:51 https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=secret+service+men+told+to+get+off+of+jfk+car&qpvt=secret+service+men+told+to+get+off+of+jfk+car&view=detail&mid=61725A141ECFE42BE19D61725A141ECFE42BE19D&FORM=VRDGAR Watch how he acts. He's asking WTF? |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/28/17 at 08:17:18 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
Read it carefully. [/quote] I just did. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 08:49:55 So, IF the results of the investigation and the Official Story align, why the secrets? |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 08:51:57 647B7D7A6760516151697B773C0E0 wrote:
Why suddenly remove the protection from the car? Clearly there was no meeting and the guys told Once we turn the corner, you guys get off the car. And then Dead. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/28/17 at 09:42:24 495650574A4D7C4C7C44565A11230 wrote:
Now in the other hand if it was a concerted effort by multiple departments, orchestrated from say, a LBJ, then it would have the capacity to shake our system of governance to it very foundation. Our world standing, our financial standing, not to mention the attack of competing political system, how they would use this as a example as to why democracies won't work, as they bolster their own grip on their domains. Would it not be hard for us then to preach about the tyrannies and dictators, as evil....yes? |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 09:57:00 I'm trying to get people to see that the only logical reason for secrecy is The Truth is Not what they said. If someone can make a case otherwise, I'm listening. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 09:58:45 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
Web, I found this for you. An acknowledgement that you have found, viewed, and evaluated it would be nice. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 10:56:50 Knocked teeth off the gears? Did that cause a little bit of cognitive dissonance? Hard having proof that runs Counter to beliefs thrust right in your face, innit? The windshield hole statement has gotten hard to find. Bullshit lies exist, and the hole from the front exists, but in pdf and I can't copy that. Gotta hunt for clues that run counter to the propaganda machine. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 15:59:41 When the Select Committee on Intelligence Activities and Select Committee on Assassinations began investigating Kennedy's death in the 1970s the deaths of potential witnesses increased dramatically. This included several criminals with possible links to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Those who were killed or who died in suspicious circumstances during this period included Malcolm Wallace (1971), Lucien Sarti (1972), Charles Willoughby (1972), Thomas Davis (1973), Richard Cain (1973), Dave Yarras (1974), Sam Giancana (1975), Jimmy Hoffa (1975), Roland Masferrer (1975), Johnny Roselli (1976), George De Mohrenschildt (1977), Charlie Nicoletti (1977) and Carlos Prio (1977). William Sullivan, the main figure in the FBI involved in the Executive Action project, was shot dead near his home in Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, on 9th November, 1977. Sullivan had been scheduled to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Sullivan was one of six top FBI officials who died in a six month period in 1977. Others who were due to appear before the committee who died included Louis Nicholas, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover and his liaison with the Warren Commission; Alan H. Belmont, special assistant to Hoover; James Cadigan, document expert with access to documents that related to death of John F. Kennedy; J. M. English, former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested and Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist who examined prints found at the assassination scene. Several important figures in the Central Intelligence Agency died before they could give evidence to the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigations. Sheffield Edwards, the CIA official who attempted to organize the assassination of Fidel http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKdeaths.htm Like the federal reserve, I've spent time with this. This is nothing compared to the things I know about. No mention of the 18yo woman who Fell out of a car at 70 mph.. No mention of the guy working in the railroad building overlooking the grassy knoll. It's been gone for years. Read Mary's Monkey Just search it.. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 16:19:30 Why not READ and consider the possibilities? If they are Not lying, why the secrets? Gee, when they decided to review the case, interview old witnesses, people DIED... Again.. Craig had been named Officer of the Year by the Dallas Traffic Commission and he was promoted four times. He was to receive no further promotion or commendation after his refusal to withdraw his identification of the Mauser and admit to being wrong about his identification of the man who ran from the Depository to be picked up by the Rambler on Elm Street. For this he suffered the most dire consequences. Craig was forbidden to speak to reporters about these things and when, in 1967, he was caught doing so he was fired. Thereafter he spoke of a consciousness of being followed, and was fired at by an unknown assailant. The bullet came uncomfortably close and, in fact, grazed his head. He began receiving threats and, in 1973, his car was run off a mountain road causing him a back injury, the pain from which was to become a permanent feature of his life. On another occasion his car was bombed. His marriage broke up in 1973 as a consequence of the continuing harassment, which did not abate. In 1975 he was shot at and wounded in the shoulder by another unknown gunman. At the age of 39, Roger Craig, suffering from the stress of the constant back pains he endured and the financial pressures he encountered because of finding it difficult to get work, succumbed, they said, and committed suicide. They said. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 16:28:58 See how fun this is? Dallas Times Herald reporter Jim Koethe was killed by a karate chop to the throat just as he emerged from a shower in his apartment on Sept. 21, 1964. His murderer was not indicted. Dallas paper. Reporter murdered by a chop in the throat. Wide awake, windpipe crushed, clutching his throat, unable to beg for help, Gee, now Who could've got in and done that? Bruce Lee? Some flat nosed thug? Can't Talk with a crushed throat. I wonder if that helped anyone else decide to Not talk. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/17 at 21:44:09 That's right. Don't eeeeven Consider it as possible. That's Scary. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/17 at 06:00:19 I have zero interest in JFK conspiracies. Just can't get interested. To kill a US President would require the involvement and direct knowledge of dozens, maybe a hundred, people. I see that as impossible to pull off. All the "inconsistencies" are simply unconnected events that occur in any major undertaking. Add to that the fact none of the people involved experienced anything like this before. For example, pulling a SS agent off duty immediately before an event could have happened a dozen times before but since nothing happened during that event, no one other than the people oncolved noticed. On a side note, I was in Houston a couple weeks ago and ate in The Rice Hotel which was the hotel JFK stayed in the night before they went to Dallas. Also, how many of you have been to Daly Plaza? I have a couple of times and it always strikes me how small the area is. The grassy knoll is very close, the freeway overpass looks like its a long way off but its not. A shot from the 6th floor doesn't look hard at all |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 06:09:32 Sure, it's possible to make the shot from up there. But that's not how the bullet went through his throat. It's okay. Don't think about it. Dismiss it. Too many people had to know. Manhattan project? The dead witnesses? The dead investigating journalists? Naaah, nothing to see here. Ohhh, and WHY the secrecy now? If they are telling us the truth, explain WHY they are continuing to hide the documents. If you have no interest, fine, don't tell people who have been interested and invested time to see if it's reasonable to doubt the Official Story that there is nothing there. You accepted the story. I didn't. And since you accepted the story, you didn't look to see if it's Bullshit. I did. It is. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/17 at 07:02:46 Pardon the pun, but i've not seen anything that in my opinion is a smoking gun. All the key explanation points in the investigation make logicsl sense. Now, COULD all the stars have aligned perfectly to pull off the what would arguably be the single largest conspiracy ever? Sure, it's possible. But I believe the odds of everything coming together perfectly are virtually insurmountable. I'm not sure what it would take for me to rethink my position. A valid explanation how dozens and dozens could have kept that secret for 50 years to start sith. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 07:22:31 I've been posting smoking guns and links to same for years. I've seen fewer than five accept the challenge of accepting a paradigm change. Why , if the Truth IS what they said, must secrets continue? You're able to accept so many deaths as a return to the investigation is ginning up? There's no One Piece of proof. It's looking at the whole mess. You didn't believe that the Secret Service agents were taken away. I proved it. You shrug it off. Not a question in your heart. No discomfort. You WANT to believe the Official Story. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 08:33:33 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-27/one-paragraph-you-need-read-jfk-assassination-files-may-change-everything Some of this is Old news |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by MnSpring on 10/29/17 at 08:39:27 Two people can keep a secret, If one is Dead. Three people can keep a secret, If one is Dead, the other two know about it. (And the other two don’t Want to be, Dead) Etc. Etc. Etc. OBTY, Information has been released. Wellstone's Plane crashed, because it had two Left Wings. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/29/17 at 09:57:36 40635E7D7F64636A0D0 wrote:
Boo......... that is no more funny than holding a presidents head in a noose, etc. C'mon......allowing differing of politics to excuse us, to stoop this low, is just plain wrong buddy. Funny should never come at the cost of those who grieve..... In a sense, its why I find those who burn our flag, or kneel at the anthem, troubling. I feel its disregarding part of the symbolism, of these two expressions, that many associate with it, who lost loved ones defending the freedoms it stands for. Funny, how we can say a statute has the capacity to be very disrupting to folks, and should be removed from public places, but grant the rights of others to express their beliefs, at the cost of others..... This is a root cause, the thinking behind all this political correctness when it impinges on social behavior and norms. We do not have to go back very far in history to view its ugliness, wasn't long ago you couldn't have interracial marriages. WTF..... That is some screwed up thinking, which led to screwed up policies. To use this same tactic, as just cause, is still SCREWED UP....... |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 10:40:47 You don't know how to keep secrets. Remember the mafia? You will not admit it. But. We did develop the bomb. Lots of people involved. Secret.. Just because you're convinced of a lie that doesn't make it so. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/17 at 10:46:15 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
I didn't say I didn't necessarily not believe they were "taken away". I said was that unusual? How many times did that happen before? Who were those agents and what did they say? How do you know for a fact they were pulled? And i not predisposed one way or the other. Logic tells me to pull that off would be an yuge challenge. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/17 at 10:48:33 Using the Manhatten Project isn't a valid comparison. that wasnt a conspiracy to murder your own country's president. this was an effort to win a war and say your nation. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 13:57:54 Secrets are secrets. People are people. You made an unsupportable statement. It's a cliche. The reason for people maintaining secrets is the penalty for Not. Think the mafia is a high minded patriotic venture? A few buckled, but by and large, they don't. The statistical probability of those witnesses just prior to being asked to testify dying is beyond reason. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by MnSpring on 10/29/17 at 18:14:05 57445C41445242250 wrote:
Boo......... that is no more funny than holding a presidents head in a noose, etc. C'mon......allowing differing of politics to excuse us, to stoop this low, is just plain wrong buddy. Funny should never come at the cost of those who grieve..... ... ... ... [/quote] Very old Joke. But in poor Taste ? After JFK Jr’s Plane went down. The, ‘joke’, was, ‘it had two Right Wings’. (Even though that was not his Political Parties Platform) The, ‘Official’, report on Wellstone’s Plane was: Overloaded, Icing, Pilot error. The, ‘Official’, report on JFK Jr’s Plane was: ‘instrument’, error. Now both, flew, the same route, Several times, and in the same conditions. So why did Wellstone’s go down, just before, it looked like he was going to win again? Why did JFK Jr’s go down, just after he said he was going to run for the same seat, H.R.C., announced she was going to run for ? Wellstone/s (and the rest on that plane), Families, Relatives, Friends. Yes Very Tragic ! Just as the people affected when, JFK Sr, was shot, JFK Jr’s Plane went down, Or Mary Jo Kopechne drowning, and just like a local 16 year old killed in a car, hitting a tree. which only a very small amount of local people cared about. And on and on, and on, … All very Tragic.. Now certainly, did Not at ALL, go for Wellstone’s Politics. (And he was one of the first, Ultra- ULTRA, Liberals in this State) But NO, did not, ‘Wish’, a Tragic accident to happen. But to, Quote , H.R.C. ‘What Does I Matter…” I Don’t wish harm/tragedy, on any person, (Even a, (Self Admitted), ANTIFA Ideals Supporter) Unlike a ‘comedian, holding a effigy of the POTUS’s severed head, or burning a effigy of a POTUS. Was repeating, ’two Left Wings’, in bad taste? Don’t think it was any worse than, ‘What Does It Matter’ Just that one statement/repeat, was heard by Billions, and the other one, ‘perhaps’, 50. And as to taking the, ‘High Road’, Wouldn’t matter, the resident, (Self Admitted), ANTIFA Ideals Supporter, Is still going to call anyone he/she disagrees with, Names. Getting back to, JFK conspiracies, and others. Their are Lots of Possibilities, which the, ‘Facts’, will probably not be known for 100+ years. Yet IN, those, ‘Possibilities’, Their are a LOT, of things to consider, Lots of things, Which are NOT, in the, ‘Main Stream’. Just look at Obama’s birth certificate issue, Still, on going. We will never know. Yet the Catholic Church, survived a, ’said’, Female Pope. Pope Joan, and even today, (some 1,200 Years Later), it is believed by some, and the Church, dismisses her as myth. Who is correct ? News/Information did not travel as fast, or was documented as much, in the Middle Ages, as Today. Even JFK, Then a very, VERY, Few, with a ‘movie camera’, to look at. Today, their would have been 200 Cell Phones, WITH, Audio, recording. So, “conspiracies’, More common today, because, of the means for recording information. As to, ‘Left Wings’. Bad taste, Maybe. (Because it was long After it happened), I think, it is a whole lot LESS, ‘Bad Taste’, than, holding a effigy of a severed head of the current, POTUS. When the POTUS is, alive. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 19:26:44 Kennedy had threatened to expose who killed JFK. Kennedy Jr. radioed the tower at an airport near Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts announcing that he was preparing to land. Seconds after, his plane exploded in mid-air, and this was witnessed by several witnesses including a local newspaper reporter and an attorney. Barometric pressure bomb |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/17 at 19:45:53 oh Jesus H Christ.... |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by MnSpring on 10/29/17 at 19:47:07 534C4A4D50576656665E4C400B390 wrote:
Well I remembering hearing: He, ‘mis-read’, his instruments, or, their was a, ‘Instrument’ error, And he noise dived into the water. What ever it is. Does not matter, he’s Dead. What matters is, ‘WHY”, Seeing the info that, H.R.C., Publicy announced her running for that seat. and JFK Jr, told some friends that he was also going to run. Where JFK Jr. would have WON, that seat in a heartbeat. (Probably wouldn’t even had to Campaign) Suddenly, a trip, he had made 100s of times, in the same conditions, went bad. ? Would that be like a, ‘Suicide’, with hands tied behind the back, and a shot to the head ? |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by raydawg on 10/29/17 at 19:56:21 Mercy.....looks like the turnip truck spilled part of its load. I hope you guys are jesting, if not, make sure you are following the doctor's prescribed orders with your meds :-[ |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/17 at 20:08:37 I think Jr. screwed up. And crashed, it happens. I do have fun with you guys sometimes. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/17 at 20:10:32 I bought it, hook, line and sinker. Good gag though. |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by Serowbot on 10/30/17 at 07:05:43 724047565140576844574E250 wrote:
;D |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/17 at 07:22:01 yea, he tricked me. I feel like I just sent $10,000 to a Nigerian prince who has millions of US dollars he's just trying to get out of the country and needs a good faith payment on my part..... |
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Title: Re: What a bummer...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/17 at 08:38:39 Honest, I'm worth MILLyunz. I just need travel money and enough to get by for four months. The paperwork takes ninety days.. |
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