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Title: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/06/17 at 06:04:06 Tell me again how immigrants are a threat to our country? Yeah..... Then our "wonderful" president says it's not about guns, it's about mental health. Really? Then how do you blame immigration on a nut-job driving a truck? Wasn't that just a mental health problem? Welcome to republican/corporate America. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/17 at 06:15:29 So, because this one wasn't a crazy immigrant, immigrants are not a problem. Got it. And what do we Know about him? What was the reason? And why was he able to get a gun? You don't care about anything more than your desperate need to keep believing that importing refugees is good. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by WebsterMark on 11/06/17 at 07:05:16 I've read multiple reports the guy was a militant atheist. If true, and that's a big IF given how naturally inaccurate early reporting is, will we see a fraction of the 'news' linking him to leftist groups and the Democratic party along the lines any killer who can be remotely linked to conservatives and Republican party? No, of course not and we all know that. Which brings up a point that we should acknowledge, at least in passing, and that is the ideology of either of our two mainstream political parties should be linked with violence. The Charlottesville car driver had nothing to do with the Republican party anymore than this guy or the Vegas guy or perhaps even going back to the Unibomber had to do with the Democratic party. Not sure if you saw it, but the ad from the Virginia governor's race showing a black truck with a Confederate flag chasing minority kids down is truly awful for example. Somehow we've got to stop this $hit. Which brings me to my next point and that is we should all make up our minds if confronted in violent situations like this; to fight back. Begin planting the seed of doubt in these sick individuals minds that we will not be sitting ducks. Sure, the odds any of us will find ourselves in this spot is a million to one, but I think it helps to make up your mind now what to do. Just a thought.... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by Eegore on 11/06/17 at 07:18:31 I think to dismiss mental health as part of the problem is a bad idea. I think its impossible due to all the variables to consider any one factor to be a reason for violence. Its true if we didn't allow someone into the country then they wouldn't have killed people here. Its also true that if he ran a red light and was killed himself then nothing would have happened. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/17 at 07:23:35 He's not an immigrant. He's dishonorably discharged with domestic violence history. But he got a gun. And body armor. And is an atheist. And died in a ditch like a dog. At least he got something right. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by raydawg on 11/06/17 at 07:40:17 HEADLINES........ TRUMP KILLED KOI Yeah, the news is as guilty as anyone in the rhetoric, which they do for PROFIT gang. Yes, we need a much better mental health system. All this stuff we are seeing, sexual misconduct, bullying, to hate of someone with a different political, or social belief, is vested in a mental illness. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by WebsterMark on 11/06/17 at 07:46:16 I think to dismiss mental health as part of the problem is a bad idea. I agree and I don't think anyone has dismissed it. Detecting it is another matter. The Columbine killers had just completed a diversionary/probation program after getting caught breaking into a van. The officer dismissed them both early even calling the main killer, Harris, a bright kid who would go far in life. There are a lot of what we call weirdos in the world. Someone eavesdropping on some of the comments that pass around in this forum might call us the same. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by MnSpring on 11/06/17 at 08:05:02 “…Tell me again how immigrants are a threat to our country?…” Immigrants & Refugees, are TWO Different things. Legal & Illegal, are TWO Different things. A Mentally Ill person & a Terrorist, are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. A, ’Nut-Case DFI’, (Oh Wait, that is NOT, Politicly Correct, It should be, a accurate description of that, exact, malady that person has) Oh Well A Nut-Case, does a really DFI thing. What if he used a bomb, using a, ‘pressure cooker’ sold at a mart-mart store. Then, Everybody in that Church would be dead. The pressure cooker’s fault? What if he was of one political party, and believed everyone in that church, was of the other political party. Is it, the fault of, a political party? What if, the people in that Church, were his relatives, or people that bulled him, or people that shunned him, (who all of those he greatly dislikes) It is their fault? Or could it be, the fault, of a ‘Mentally Ill, Delusional’, person, who also is was a, DFI NUT CASE? Most probably never know, because would be very hard to get the, FACTS. (Just like the Rand Paul, ‘report’, the written words said: 5,000.00 Bond, and the video said: 7,500.00 bail.) Tiny, tiny, inconsistency, yet, it shows the lack of, FACTS, prevalent, in ‘reporting’, because the, ‘reporters’, just don’t care. So I would suggest, that the FACTS, are examined first. Before, that person is compared to a ; ‘Trojan Horse Hiding, Refugee terrorist’ |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/06/17 at 08:41:36 It's ALL MENTAL HEALTH. Sheesh! This nut-job is no different than any other nut job. He somehow had access to guns. Duh. The "isis terrorist" had a truck.... so..... They are BOTH nuts and therein lies the problem. Knock off the stupid and pointless rhetoric about "it's this party", "it's this religion", "it's this ideology". Enough of the politicizing. This country needs to DO SOMETHING. Hopes and prayers are obviously NOT WORKING. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/06/17 at 08:53:09 If our president thinks it's a mental health issue, then why did he do this? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221 I'll tell you why. He has no idea WTF he's doing. Go ahead tweety lovers. Defend this little bill..... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/17 at 08:59:52 I'm so tired of your ignorance. Convicted for domestic violence NO GUN Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns. He STOLE HIS MOMS GUNS The existing laws are fine. The overreach Obama tried to create is dangerous, too. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by raydawg on 11/06/17 at 09:12:16 Yes, we must do something, if we can, but what? We could substantially expand mental health spending, offering it to communities, etc, but if folks do not access it, then its moot. I know firsthand at trying to help in the mental health issues with drugs and alcohol. You can be there, you can offer, but they have to want help, period. Its not the gun, nor truck, nor booze or drugs, etc, the problem is at a much deeper level of consciousness. All the politicizing, etc, will never solve it, no, but only add another layer of diversion that will have to be peeled back to repair this societal issue. Do not discount for one second, how the media is complicit in the matter. They will use any matter to enrich themselves financially, as "bad" news sells. Yes, folks should be above the influences, for just as buying and holding a gun does not make you want to kill someone with it..... But sadly we are seeing folks with diminished, and compromised mental faculties, clinging to NEWS as a justifying excuse to their insane thoughts. There is a right, and a wrong, and we have gotten away from enforcing it...... Actions always have consequences, period, do not justify them, or you will slip down that very slope. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by Serowbot on 11/06/17 at 09:18:49 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
Yeah, but Sandy Hook was fake... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/17 at 09:27:51 You can't see the obvious, you sure as Hell can't work through the details that would be necessary to discern that as a possibility. You don't have the guts to look honestly at something that you NEED to Be what you were Told it Was. Until you can discuss why we destroyed the irrigation system, you and I don't really need to pretend there is some debate. Look up Debate |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by MnSpring on 11/06/17 at 09:29:54 “ … If our president thinks it’s a mental health issue, then why did he do this? …” WOW, the PERFECT LIE, by Omission of FACTS. (Er’ SPIN) “…The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database…” So, Grama and Gramps, are retired. They bought a moterhome. They are going to drive around the Country, seeing the sights, and visiting their kids and grand kids. They have couple of Credit Cards, and Cell Phones. They use them. They have no, ‘permanent’, resident address to get mail at, so they assigned one of their kids, to take their account, and pay the CC/phone bills. One assigning, their, financial affairs to another, makes them, ‘unfit to handle their own financial affairs’. POOF, They are, ‘Mentally ILL’, Because the ‘wanna be King’, thought of a Back Door way to get more, ‘Gun Control’. LIE, by Omission of, FACTS ! Now before a, ANTIFA Ideals Supporter, gets their panties in a bunch. the part; ‘…people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses…” Is ALREADY, Covered, in the MANDATORY, Background check. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/06/17 at 13:55:34 697F68756D78756E1A0 wrote:
Yeah, but Sandy Hook was fake...[/quote] Bot - I know that was meant tongue-in-cheek, but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me that a couple of folks on this little forum actually believe that. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by thumperclone on 11/06/17 at 16:36:57 the usaf dropped the ball he should not of been able to buy firearms |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/17 at 16:46:11 Your source? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/17 at 08:41:18 And then somehow... fox and friends find a way to make it worse... Hey, instead of filling airtime, why not just STFU, hmm? You look like idiots. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NnPtxlMGv8[/media] |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/17 at 09:58:27 2539243C213423323D3E3F34510 wrote:
Starting to hear that. And the threats that asswipe sent to others that They Did NOTHING about, with his history,,???? Seriously? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by MShipley on 11/07/17 at 10:29:41 5D434C4D405D465B290 wrote:
I am really bad with this posting stuff. What I was saying was: Why do you blame everything on Trump? He did not put all the current laws in place, these things didn't just start in January. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/17 at 10:37:15 The simplest most obvious answer is More people carrying. Yes, I can defend the rationale if someone disagrees. Right now anyone who wants to kill people has every reason to believe that they can. Let a few try and die in a hail of gunfire. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by Trippah on 11/07/17 at 10:44:06 Well, that olde saying "You shall reap what you sow." does spring to mind. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/17 at 10:46:24 That's helpful. Glad you thought about how to add to the discussion. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/17 at 10:50:23 534D76776E727B671E0 wrote:
I am really bad with this posting stuff. What I was saying was: Why do you blame everything on Trump? He did not put all the current laws in place, these things didn't just start in January. [/quote] "Blame everything"? Um, not in the slightest. I "blame him" for being an idiot. Did you not see any of his campaign? I "blame him" for not helping this country to come together at all. Maybe you see that as blaming him for "everything", but that's not the case. He is simply unfit for the the job. If you want to know who I "blame" look at my posts. Establishment democrats and republicans are who I blame. More on the republicans because they have held the majority of the power in this country for the better part of 10 years now. Sorry if you see me "blaming" everything on our president. The fact is, he's such a man-child that he couldn't possibly be to blame. He's just an embarrassment to the country. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/17 at 10:55:08 He won. He doesn't engage in the sophistry the professional politicians do. He doesn't have the Bullshit that the Dumbmasses have learned to appreciate, so you see him as inferior. America elected Trump BECAUSE he isn't what you like. Because what you like Created our problems. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by raydawg on 11/07/17 at 12:15:01 Murder is already against the law...,. Now, on the other hand, if you want tyranny..... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by MnSpring on 11/07/17 at 18:23:57 352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:
“… Let a few try and die …” That is precisely, to the POINT. Now, (Take Chicago for a example), The, ‘Citizens', are greatly hampered, as to owning a firearm. The, ‘Criminals’, have NO Fear, because they KNOW, no one else, (or very darn few), has one, so they can DO what they Want ! They would, ‘LEARN’, their is a, Reaction, to their Action. If the Ultra-Liberals, did not take away, FREEDOMS. Many years ago, just after Florida, enacted the, ‘Right to Carry’. Was listening to a NPR station. A Reporter came on, and interviewed a c-store owner. She asked him: “How has this new law in Florida impacted you”. He said: “I used to get robbed at gun point once a month, now it has been 6 Months, and No Robberies, and it is all do to the sign I put in the window” She said: ‘What does the sign say” He said: “Free Coffee, for any one showing a ‘permit to carry’. Now look, see those 7 people back their by the Coffee Machine, Which ones have a gun” The NPR station, CUT her off, and Immediately went to Music. Just like, Morten Grove IL, (Suburb of Chicago). The First to, BAN, Possession of a Handgun. Yet, at that time, it was said: ‘Put a Sign in your front yard, ’NO Guns In Here’. No One DID !!!!!!!!!!! Really simple, Criminals will, ‘LEARN’, their is a, Reaction, to their Action. But until the, Snowflake, Kum-By-You Singing, Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA Ideals Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling people’, Wake UP, and Learn, ’Taking AWAY Freedom’, does NOT lower Crime. (Or, ’Nut Job’, People) It will just get worse. Perhaps, when ‘Warp’ drive, and, ’Teloportation’, become the norm. But that ain’t, today ! |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/17 at 20:20:01 : “I used to get robbed at gun point once a month, now it has been 6 Months, and No Robberies, and it is all do to the sign I put in the window” She said: ‘What does the sign say” He said: “Free Coffee, for any one showing a ‘permit to carry’. Now look, see those 7 people back their by the Coffee Machine, Which ones have a gun” The NPR station, CUT her off, and Immediately went to Music. I don't mind lefties being stupid, but that mutherfukking I'm the smart one Attitude just pisses me OFF. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 13:21:13 Aaand KRIKKITS |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by Serowbot on 11/08/17 at 14:20:34 4665587B7962656C0B0 wrote:
Why do you bother with this regurgitation every time you post???... It's not even creative,.. just a regurgitation of stolen neo-con insults you've been fed and told to believe are original... "Snowflake" for instance, is from Fight Club,... written by Chuck Palahniuk who is gay, and ironically spoken by Brad Pitt... a liberal, and big Obama supporter.... Your insults are pilfered from Liberals... ;D ;D ;D "You're Not Your Fu@king Khakis" ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 14:22:15 When something fits perfectly, it's right. Snowflakes exist. And deserve the ridicule. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by T And T Garage on 11/08/17 at 14:55:13 4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:
Why do you bother with this regurgitation every time you post???... It's not even creative,.. just a regurgitation of stolen neo-con insults you've been fed and told to believe are original... "Snowflake" for instance, is from Fight Club,... written by Chuck Palahniuk who is gay, and ironically spoken by Brad Pitt... a liberal, and big Obama supporter.... Your insults are pilfered from Liberals... ;D ;D ;D "You're Not Your Fu@king Khakis" ;D ;D ;D [/quote] +1000 (but, that's why I don't waste my time anymore) |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 15:46:17 Aaand the reacharound. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Shooting.... Post by MnSpring on 11/08/17 at 16:49:18 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
Really ? I am NOT the Color, BROWN/TAN, (ish) Would it make a difference if I was ? |
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