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Title: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 08:58:22 There is no conversation here guys. The threads that could actually affect what people believe are destroyed and ignored. Bot, your beliefs are not supported by reason. But you refuse to debate. TT simply won't even reply. WTF? Why even come in here? Ray, your incessant back and forth with TT is accomplishing less than nothing. It's a forum for discussing differences in opinion. We are supposed to use facts to create opinion. Let's discuss the things that we believe are facts. Let's inspect OUR opinions and see If they are based in facts. And, sadly, finding fact is difficult. But, Fact We destroyed the World's largest irrigation system. And did it on the pretext of some high minded humanitarian mission. In what universe is that something you can say with a straight face? But Bot absolutely refuses to discuss it. And TT hasn't got the guts to say a word. So why let people who obviously have Zero interest in the truth control the board? |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by Serowbot on 11/08/17 at 09:27:51 Okay,.. you're in charge... |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/08/17 at 09:39:30 Ray, your incessant back and forth with TT is accomplishing less than nothing. Jog, is your incessant whining about no replies, yielding any better results than my tactics? Maybe its us, thinking others are capable of honest dialogue, that is at fault. You can put lipstick on a pig, however the fact remains, its just a pig. Now, taking in to the dance, and getting upset folks call your date a pig, well who's shoulders does that fall on? Pure entertainment, absolutely no value....... useless, other than laughing. I dance with her, doing the pig trot, then I eat bacon with my hash browns and eggs, the next morning. If you want to think otherwise buddy, go ahead..... But who, is deceiving whom? This place reminds me of the stories that use to accompany travelers going west, way back when White Privilege was vogue. The wisdom of learning the Rockies, and how to pass over them to a new life, was shared with many wanting the same opportunities, back home. You winter over on the east slope, and get an early start. Many were deceived by the spring melt, the Platte River a good example. Many hearts sank out, spirits broken, by what their eyes saw..... A river a mile wide, needing to be forded, they felt defeated, unable to continue, devastated. While some, I'm sure, thought those who told them to come west, had set them up..... However, the river might truly be a mile wide, as they looked upon it, they did not know it was only an inch deep. ;D This board will never provide any depth Jog, never...... Think of it thusly...... You've a 5 hour flight ahead of you. A person has just set next to you, occupying their seat. They strike up a introduction of themselves, and pursuing conversation.... You can tell them to suck off, or, you can be accommodating...... Knowing either way, in 5 hours it will matter not, of which path you decide. Its your choice Jog.....YOURS. Blame me if you like, however, I will be disembarking in 5 hours ;D |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 09:50:30 5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
Yeah, sure.. How about you explain WHY you believe what you believe in the face of facts that make it, IMO, untenable. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by MShipley on 11/08/17 at 10:12:18 3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:
The name should be changed to "Ideological Football" |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by oldNslow on 11/08/17 at 10:28:11 Quote:
Unfortunately, pretty much true. Reason I don't much bother posting here anymore. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 12:29:23 If people don't have the ability to answer questions they can't defend their positions. That's The DEFINITION of an Indefensible Position. Indefensible Positions are unsupportable by logic. That's the definition of WRONG. Man up or shut up. Defend your position or take a knee. I don't CARE. I already know. I'm trying to get others to see the obvious. Or would you rather not have to admit to yourself that you have supported what isn't reasonable? Ready to debate, Bot? |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/17 at 12:34:29 TT destroyed it. I'm sure he enjoys the check he gets. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by ruckus430 on 11/08/17 at 21:58:43 Naw TT is right when debating with trumpists all you get is "Whataboutism" Example when asking about opinions on manafort papdopoulous indictments the response is just parroting trump's play book of "but but hillary" "he was a coffee boy" "he was working as a volunteer" Essentially trumpists have no defense in the face of facts and just regurgitate fox news talking points, all very predictable. Must suck to be on the wrong side of history. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by WebsterMark on 11/09/17 at 05:01:56 History takes a while to unfold and at this point in the process, I'm content with how things are unfolding. I'll debate any Trump topic you like. Whataboutism is just amother way to say what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander which is a valid topic. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by WebsterMark on 11/09/17 at 06:04:18 Ray, your incessant back and forth with TT is accomplishing less than nothing. And Jog's right about this. Like I said on a thread that looks like it's been deleted (and rightly so) somehow you've managed the impossible; you made TT into the good guy. I honestly skip past all your stuff now Ray and I used to read it. If that doesn't matter to you, fine, but I'm sure there are interesting ideas I'm missing. Take that and do with it as you will, but I've committed to staying out of the BS from now on and if that means cutting ties with you, then that's what I'll have to do. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 09:03:06 Thanks Web for sharing..... I think Jog is the most sincere person who post on this board..... I have stated as such. My concern is I hope he doesn't put too much of himself into it, I have shared that with him as well. As to my attempt at ironic humor, well.... It's not the first time it's fallen flat, haha! Does this mean you won't be sending me anymore PM's about other members here too? |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/17 at 09:08:26 323A356F686B5B0 wrote:
I'm aware that trump is not doing everything we need. I've said so. But, I'll talk about anything you want. I'll talk policy, right and wrong, where he's right and wrong. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 09:14:36 Yeah, I think it's way too soon to write off the trumpetts, who I see as a different entity from the deplorable. A trumpettte likes his tweeting, deplorables, not so much. If you think the 8 years of Obama rejection is forgotten because of this one election, I think you error. The guy in Virginia ran against sanctuary cities I understand, that is not progressive. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by ruckus430 on 11/09/17 at 09:25:41 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
I'm aware that trump is not doing everything we need. I've said so. But, I'll talk about anything you want. I'll talk policy, right and wrong, where he's right and wrong. [/quote] I just havent seen any example of any trump supporter, in real life or online, who is willing to talk about his administration without obfuscating or using distractions and refusing to accept blatant facts. So I don't get in to thick of it with a back and forth, but it is kind of fun to watch, but I also feel bad for both sides. Those trying to talk some sense into trump supporters I feel their frustration, and for those covering their ears and looking away it's sad to say but I feel pity that they have been manipulated by those in power using their anger and differences to divide our nation. it's a sad day in America. I have an uncle that I joke with all the time when he comes around (he loooovess trump for whatever reason he has been strangely silent about it as of late wonder why) and I can't debate him but for example I say "Hey uncle I don't pay taxes right now so guess what, I'm not paying for that god darn wall" and he can laugh it off but if we debated I would destroy him but hes family so idk what to do. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/17 at 09:36:45 I'm not able to defend everything he's doing, because I don't agree with it all. But cutting corporate taxes, I'm all for. They shouldn't pay taxes at all except for on what they export, because the Consumer actually pays those taxes. Trump Can't fix America without real Change in policy. And since he's surrounded by the criminals who got us here, he's resisted and sabotaged by them. Things he can do? Reverse every unconstitutional executive order, immediately. Settle, solve or dismiss whatever Emergency the current iteration of the justification for operating under Emergency War Powers, good start. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by ruckus430 on 11/09/17 at 09:55:16 46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
Hmm yea I can't say if removing taxes for corporations would be good or bad, and yes unconstitutional orders should be reversed and they have been(not by trumps choice but by the federal judges) But to say that Trump just happens to be surrounded by criminals and he has been resistant to them is a bit naive, who do you think hand picked these "criminals" to run his campaign and be put in power? Anyway any questions above are rhetorical it's just meant to make you think dont respond to me no offense. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/17 at 10:03:46 heat shield Eegor bought off me. He sent me way more than I asked for.) Really? I'm talking about the anti family, power grabbing executive orders that date back to as far back as we can go. Certainly Bush administration. I'm suspecting you're excited about the courts declaring his attempts to protect us from refugees has you happy. You're wrong |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/17 at 16:19:17 Yeah, conversation about actual things is too much. Here's one to erase. e 2012 NDAA deemed the United States a “battlefield,” as Senator Lindsey Graham put it, and gave the president and his agents the right to seize and arrest any U.S. citizen, detain them indefinitely without charge or trial, and do so only on suspicion, without any judicial oversight or due process. The new Executive Order states that the president and his secretaries have the authority to commandeer all U.S. domestic resources, including food and water, as well as seize all energy and transportation infrastructure inside the borders of the United States. The Government can also forcibly draft U.S. citizens into the military and force U.S. citizens to fulfill “labor requirements” for the purposes of “national defense.” There is not even any Congressional oversight allowed, only briefings. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/17 at 07:12:27 AN egregious example of unconstitutional and Unamerican, and NOBODY cares? Really? |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/17 at 10:00:18 In a group of non idiots I'd expect every single one who saw that to be perfectly mortified, yet, I'm alone. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by MnSpring on 11/11/17 at 10:33:10 “…commandeer all U.S. domestic resources …” Yes, it IS a bad, E.O., and should be eliminated. Yet, no one is in outrage about it, because; it has not affected anybody, that someone knows, that is a friend of a person that said … It’s kinna like the Law, that is STILL on the books in the City of Mpls. Where, Every Business downtown, Must have a ‘Hitching Post’ in front. 150 years ago, yea. today, if someone tried to enforce that, thinking all Hell would break loose. Next question, if the, ‘commandeer all U.S. domestic resources’, happened someplace, would the Constitution override it ? Could it perhaps be, a reason, the 2nd Adm, is so, Fought, by the, ‘Snowflake, Kum-By-You Singing, Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA Ideals Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling people’, (Put that in, Just for Bot) and are working, SO, hard to remove it ? |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/17 at 10:48:02 Never heard of that before and it would be counter to numerous Constitutional provisions so I suspect there's more to this story. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/17 at 10:49:07 Yes, the conscious and well read understand that a law repugnant to the constitution is null and void at the moment it's signed, not requiring a court's decision. But, few know and understand that. And whether the constitution is actually, legally, currently in effect, is the next question. What clues exist that would indicate it's not? When was the last time war was declared instead of being something just decided on? How well do judges listen to a defendant who wants to point to unconstitutional behaviors? Sure, the fifth and fourth get used, because if they made it too obvious, everyone would figure it out. Congress can't even overturn this once it's put into action. Only outright rebellion against it will stop it. This is just One of many. Separating families is in one. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless y Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/17 at 12:57:10 I guess only two of us are willing to look at what's really going on and suggest a solution. Yammer on. Posture, do your Virtue Signaling, puff your self important chest out and add oxygen to the Flames that keep your Butthurtedness at the level that justifies your rage, against the petty things WHILE Real WRONG is right in front of you. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by MnSpring on 11/11/17 at 18:03:56 69616E343330000 wrote:
Thinking about this, came up with a, ‘example’. (My Opinion) Let’s say, Company A, gets a new CEO. The company is going down hill, (thus the B.O.D. hiring of the new CEO) When the old CEO left, several key people left with him. So he needed to hire new. He also went outside the company, and hired some. Now several of these people he hired, were, Thief’s, Steeler’s, Liar’s. These, criminals, LIED, Plain and Simple. (None of the, ‘adjusted the truth’, CRAP) So now, that new CEO, Discovers, they were LIEING, and will NOT, look the other way, like the Past CEO did. He Fires them. (Or they leave, before they can be fired, because they see, the new CEO, can see right through their LIES. And is Not, going to look the other way) Because the new CEO, was LIED to, by Thief’s, Steeler’s, Liar’s, who expected him to, look, the other way. It is the CEO’s Fault, they were, Criminal, Thief’s, Steeler’s, Liar’s. ? If I was a stockholder of that Company. Think I would be rather happy, their was a now a CEO of that company, who did NOT, ‘Look The Other Way’. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/17 at 08:36:17 053730212637201F332039520 wrote:
Yeah, more to the story,, the question Why. It's a stand alone statement. It says what it says. It means what it says. It's tyrannical. And it's not the only one. It's n preparation for a complete state of emergency. Which could range from societal uproar, economic collapse or war here. There are others. They are hard to find. Separating families is in one. Taking food away from people who have stored up. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by Serowbot on 11/12/17 at 09:23:53 3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:
Why should this be so?... When I buy something, I'm not making a profit... When they sell it, they profit.. Why shouldn't they be paying tax on their profit?... When I profit, I have to pay tax... |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/12/17 at 10:33:49 I pay taxes when I earn, and again when I spend. I do this so one day I might have enough to retire and be able to relax, and enjoy life, free from the whip and wagon. If I do not work, and rely on charity, I can avoid both..... Relaxing, not having to pull wagon, or feel the whip. Gee, such a paradox. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/17 at 15:28:26 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
Why should this be so?... When I buy something, I'm not making a profit... When they sell it, they profit.. Why shouldn't they be paying tax on their profit?... When I profit, I have to pay tax...[/quote] You're, as the Consumer, Paying their taxes, and the records keeping and accounting costs. It's all rolled into the cost of the product. Exports, fine, pay taxes on exports. A manufacturer or business of any kind knows what profit margin is required to stay in business. The costs of Doing Business are included in the price. Taxes raise the price. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by MnSpring on 11/13/17 at 09:14:49 "...You’re, as the Consumer, Paying their taxes..." Yep, absolute fact ! A Co, makes a thing, sells it for 1.00, Now they are taxed MORE, (cause they are rich) So they sell the item, (to YOU) for 1.10. (Their increase in Taxes was 0.02) Who Pays ?????? Now, WHO, want’s to, RAISE, the, Taxes on the, ‘RICH’ ? What party Routinely DOES ? Could it be, that the people who want to, RAISE, the Taxes on the, ‘Rich’, KNOW, the, ‘Poor’, will be paying, MORE, than the Increase of the Taxes? Making the, ‘Poor’, Poorer, and the, ‘Rich’, Richer. Or could a person say, ‘Less Taxes for the, ‘Rich’, then make sure, EVERYBODY, knows, so the, ‘Rich’, then sell the, 1.00 product, to you, for 0.95 ? Seem to remember, a POTUS saying, (referring to AF-1’s) ’No, they do NOT cost that much” |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/17 at 09:29:25 People have been conditioned to want everyone punished. Hey!You made money! Pay up.. Not realizing exactly WHO PAYS. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/13/17 at 10:19:36 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
Not sure if it matters..... Look at this site, folks want to be right, about their POV's, etc..... Almost every thread has deflecting, and personalizing, as the topic is shoved aside, opting to promote ones own beliefs, while shutting down any real discovery.... I have said before, this board is entertainment, like pizzing into the wind... Not about the size of the argument, no, but who can shoot a stream further. Pretty much useless...... Between this site and surfing Craigslist, I too have no life ;D |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/17 at 11:08:11 Look up Self fulfilling prophecy Your attitude about it allows you to do what makes it less valuable than it would be If not For that attitude |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/13/17 at 11:31:05 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
I guess you could also call that reasoning... What I personally do, to see if my beliefs "work" Is to scruntnize them to their sustainability. If my beliefs are sustainable only if affirmed by you, or others, then they are not. They should be independent of my self appointed value, or yours, and stand in their own accord if I do, or don't, accept them. Is it self serving, of course, but as the cabin looses pressure into its flight, the oxygen mask drop from the aircrafts overhead, I have to put mine on first, before I can help others. You want to call that selfish, go ahead, I call it sound reasoning. |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/17 at 11:35:44 should be independent of my self appointed value, or yours, and stand in their own accord if I do, or don't, accept them. Very sound |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/17 at 11:36:37 I didn't say Selfish |
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Title: Re: Rendered useless Post by raydawg on 11/13/17 at 11:41:13 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
Ok, I guess I assigned that myself, under the banner of selffulling.... Which, in context clarifies its intent, my bad ;) |
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