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Message started by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 09:35:26

Title: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 09:35:26

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/09/17 at 09:50:17

13001805001606610 wrote:

Will power shift in 2018?

Still a long way off, doubly so in this environment.
Goodness, most reported too close to even call in Virginia before the outcome revealed it shouldn't have been.

I think this will prod many on the right to hang it up, as they have no idea where they fit anymore.
I think fresh folk is better.

The left will most likely think this is a sign Obama is back...
Embracing their failed policies once again.

I disagree - look at who won in some of these races. One was a Democratic Socialist with ZERO Pac money *gasp*!

You're not going to see the same old democrats - that establishment has gotten just as bad as the republicans.

The extreme left wing holds too much power in that party, Stiflingly any real movement to the center.
It will more than likely back the old horses or the California and New York mentality of progressivism.

Again, I disagree. Look who's running against diane f. in CA. She's got a huge primary challenger in a Justice Democrat (read - progressive).

It will be interesting to see if Trump can finally shut up, but I doubt it....
He has shown no ability to date to keep from harming himself by his lack of discipline......

His endorsements are worth next to nothing. Approval polls don't lie, even though so many conservatives on here think they do.
Virginia was a perfect example.

Either way..... we are in new territory, should be fun to watch!

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 11:58:26

Not sure Virginia is a good example, historically they seem to elect a governor opposite of the president.
The house races, I know nothing of them at all, other than the democrats swept out republican incumbents.....
Is it more local, or a national trend.....???
I lean toward local, as Hillary won his state too.

Did any state flip from Trump to Democrat in this election?
That would be telling, if it happened, and more of a possible indicator.

Re: democrat incumbents......
That could prove very costly, leaving money in short supply for the general elections, look how Hillary blames Bernie for her loss....

I see two things for sure, a good shot for new blood, which was a very important component in Trumps win, those folks are still looking for anybody but the ones responsible for a messed up system.

And two, it will be costly, the most ever, and that windfall will just keep benefiting those who profit off this rigging.
It's one of the things that has hampered our system.....

They will do whatever it is to keep the money flowing their way.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by Serowbot on 11/09/17 at 13:00:24

31223A27223424430 wrote:

I see two things for sure, a good shot for new blood, which was a very important component in Trumps impeachment, those folks are still looking for anybody but the ones responsible for a messed up system.

:-?

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 13:32:48

Impeach him all you want, it still does not change the fact of the energy driving our political process.
If you can't grasp the fact that something greater than a blind allegiance,
to one, of the two parties, is changing the landscape, that is on you and your own ignorance, the earth ain't flat.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/09/17 at 13:57:08

796A726F6A7C6C0B0 wrote:

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/17 at 16:40:10

A look at what Historically happens when one party has so many seats will show you that losing seats HAPPENS almost every time.
And, considering the FACT that so many bubs would have rather LOST to Hillary than see Trump win, ask yourself, if you can without lying,
What are the odds that bubs are willing to give control over to lefties in order to work against Trump?
You guys are so sophisticated.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/09/17 at 17:15:52

445A555459445F42300 wrote:

[quote author=796A726F6A7C6C0B0 link=1510248926/0#4 date=1510263168]Impeach him all you want, it still does not change the fact of the energy driving our political process.
If you can't grasp the fact that something greater than a blind allegiance,
to one, of the two parties, is changing the landscape, that is on you and your own ignorance, the earth ain't flat.

I can't believe that you think our president is anything but a dolt. Look at "his" policies.

They are 100% republican - right down the line. He's not a "disrupter" he's a puppet on a string being controlled by the establishment. As long as they treat him like a king, he'll sign anything they put in front of him.

Yeah, he talks like no other politician and has no check valve, but that just makes him stand out, not outstanding.

[/quote]

I think your dislike for him is tainting your reasoning....
Why would McCain, etc, be at odds with him if he was a puppet, as you say?
The Bush cartel did not want the man in office, why, if his policies are good for the party?
It doesn't add up.

I think you guys are hung up on thinking people voted for Trump on policies, etc.
I say not, he won mostly because he bucked the system.
He is quickly proving his ineptness, as well as other personality shortfalls, and he would never win reelection even if all these walls, healthcare, etc, come to fruition....

If you go and look at Obamas first term, he got much of the same vote that Trump did in the states that made the difference....
Obama was the new face, however, his policies quickly lost all the gains and put repubs into power....

You can't deny that.
You can try, but you will really have to delude yourself in doing so.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/10/17 at 07:36:37

382B332E2B3D2D4A0 wrote:

I think your dislike for him is tainting your reasoning....
Why would McCain, etc, be at odds with him if he was a puppet, as you say?
The Bush cartel did not want the man in office, why, if his policies are good for the party?
It doesn't add up.

Well then ray - you show me where he goes against the establishment republican grain. Where do his policies differ from that of the Bushes or the McCains of the world?

I think you guys are hung up on thinking people voted for Trump on policies, etc.
I say not, he won mostly because he bucked the system.

How? In what way did he buck the system? The only thing he did was make the dummies think "He talks like me".

He is quickly proving his ineptness, as well as other personality shortfalls, and he would never win reelection even if all these walls, healthcare, etc, come to fruition....

If you go and look at Obamas first term, he got much of the same vote that Trump did in the states that made the difference....
Obama was the new face, however, his policies quickly lost all the gains and put repubs into power....

Well, he did pass the ACA and a host of other things. But by and large, after 2010, anything from him was either filibustered or died in committee. Remember all the records set by the republicans for filibustering? Remember how Obama couldn't even get a vote on a Supreme Court nominee with 10 months left in his last term? Remember the "turtle" saying it was his number one job to make Obama a one term president?

Our current president has been impotent in his first year, yet has more party support than Obama ever had. That should tell you a lot right there.

You can't deny that.
You can try, but you will really have to delude yourself in doing so.

The only delusion here is that you somehow think that the orange kid in the white house is some kind of mastermind.

Sorry, that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/10/17 at 10:23:12

Lets try one answer at a time, it might be easier to dialogue this way....

You called Trump a puppet, of the Republicans, yes?

I said if that is true, then why would Bush vote for Hillary, and why McCain is so adversarial toward Trump.....?

Your reply is: Where do his policies differ from that of the Bushes or the McCains of the world?

I will offer McCain's vote on the so called Obamacare repeal, is one.
I will find more.

Now, please answer the question I asked: why would the Bush's vote/endorse Hillary, if Trump was a puppet to the policies of the Republican party, a rubber stamp?

That does not give testimony to your argument.

Then you further offer a conflicting argument:

Our current president has been impotent in his first year, yet has more party support than Obama ever had. That should tell you a lot right there.

If he was a puppet, doing the Republicans business, he would not be impotent, they would pass it with their majority vote.

Where did I ever say he was a mastermind?
Can you show me that?

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/10/17 at 16:40:34

5A49514C495F4F280 wrote:

Lets try one answer at a time, it might be easier to dialogue this way....

You called Trump a puppet, of the Republicans, yes?

Yes.

I said if that is true, then why would Bush vote for Hillary, and why McCain is so adversarial toward Trump.....?

Because they see him as a danger to the republican party. His tweets, his lack of intelligence, etc.

Your reply is: Where do his policies differ from that of the Bushes or the McCains of the world?

I will offer McCain's vote on the so called Obamacare repeal, is one.
I will find more.

Weak sauce ray - tweety's policies are EXACTLY in line with the establishment republicans. All he cares about is being treated like a king.

Now, please answer the question I asked: why would the Bush's vote/endorse Hillary, if Trump was a puppet to the policies of the Republican party, a rubber stamp?

First off, they never endorsed hillary. Second, show me where tweety's policies stray from the establishment republicans.

That does not give testimony to your argument.

Oh, but it does.

Then you further offer a conflicting argument:

Our current president has been impotent in his first year, yet has more party support than Obama ever had. That should tell you a lot right there.

He as a president has done nothing presidential. He has not inspired anyone nor followed through on any of his campaign promises. His only accomplishment has been to sign EOs and run his mouth.

A true leader would ignore the bad press, the entertainment industry, the approval polls and do his/her job. His biggest accomplishment thus far has been creating distraction.

If he was a puppet, doing the Republicans business, he would not be impotent, they would pass it with their majority vote.

Um, that's exactly what he'd be. Not in control himself, but being controlled. Think before you post ray...

As to the majority vote - look at why/how the Obamacare repeal failed. He is so inept, he can't keep the party together. He has no control. His is an ineffective/inept/impotent leader.

Where did I ever say he was a mastermind?
Can you show me that?

I never said you called him a mastermind - I said you "somehow think he's a mastermind". Please learn comprehension - that was an inference.

From your other posts, you seem think he's smarter than he actually is. Pretty simple concept. You think the same of yourself. ;D

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/10/17 at 16:56:02

Sorry, I appreciate you trying to explain yourself, but as I read through it, your answers cancel out each other......

Anybody else this, or am I really missing something?

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/10/17 at 16:59:45

66756D70756373140 wrote:

Sorry, I appreciate you trying to explain yourself, but as I read through it, your answers cancel out each other......

How do they cancel out each other?

Anybody else this, or am I really missing something?

You really are missing something. Further, you can't show me where tweety's policies go against the republican establishment.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/10/17 at 17:18:08

Your own testimony.....

Because they see him as a danger to the republican party. His tweets, his lack of intelligence, etc.

You site a danger, but if they are pulling his string as a puppet????

We are going in circles.
I will wait for others to chime in, sometimes a different perspective can really help.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by ruckus430 on 11/11/17 at 03:11:54

26352D30352333540 wrote:

Sorry, I appreciate you trying to explain yourself, but as I read through it, your answers cancel out each other......

Anybody else this, or am I really missing something?

You missing a brain buddy boi, and some major critical thinking, but seems you have enough cool aid

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/17 at 06:35:33

The current party in power almost always loses. See note below. Also, just as certain as that, the party gaining power will claim it's a mandate on the President and the party losing power will claim it was due to the individuals in each race. The same will happen in 2018 and we'll all make the same claims on here depending on which side of the coin we're on.

"The party of the incumbent president tends to lose ground during midterm elections: over the past 21 midterm elections, the President's party has lost an average 30 seats in the House, and an average 4 seats in the Senate; moreover, in only two of those has the President's party gained seats in both houses."

Bush backed Hilary because Trump ended his brother Jeb's political career and did it bigly! Made him look like a little girl. Blood's thicker than water. Bush's vote was a middle finger to Trump.

The Republican establishment hates Trump perhaps more than the Democratic establishment. I think McCain's ACA vote was as much to harm Trump as anything else. His entire 'holier than thou' speech was aimed at Trump.

There are a few unbreakable rules at play here and one of them is alpha males don't play well together and let's face it, Trump is the Alpha of Alpha males right now. That's one factor. And Trump does not share power.

Another lessor factor is politics is Hollywood for ugly people. They want to have power, be popular, be liked, be thought of as smart. Right now, the power to get that image out lies with the left-leaning media and entertainment culture. Trump is Hitler to these fools so it's easy to get brownie points by joining the bandwagon.

And finally, anyone honestly thinking there is an impeachment or invoking of 25th amendment in Trump's future is delusional. That would require clear evidence of a serious crime that is traitorous with Trump refusing to step down. If there were something that big out there, it would have reared up by now. So face reality, you've got either 3 or 7 years left of Donald J. Trump. I for one, am glad of that.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/11/17 at 08:09:35

5058570D0A09390 wrote:

[quote author=26352D30352333540 link=1510248926/0#11 date=1510361762]Sorry, I appreciate you trying to explain yourself, but as I read through it, your answers cancel out each other......

Anybody else this, or am I really missing something?

You missing a brain buddy boi, and some major critical thinking, but seems you have enough cool aid[/quote]

Outstanding........

That really clears it up for me.
You can't be civil and explain it either, so you blame me.
Goodness, that sure is a fine example of critical reasoning.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/17 at 08:16:23

C'mon Seven!

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by MnSpring on 11/11/17 at 18:58:29

6D656A303734040 wrote:

You missing a brain buddy boi, and some major critical thinking, but seems you have enough cool aid

Wow, WOW !!!!!!!

Thought perhaps, you were, NOT, a Puppet.
and actually, were interested in, ‘Discussion’.

Alias, ‘wishfully thinking’.

It appears, if someone does NOT,
EXACTLY Agree with you.
They are, ‘missing a brain’.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/11/17 at 19:42:44

You know what I find revealing.....

After the election came in, their gloat was bouying them to the high tide level, but alas, it appears the tide has swung out, and their buzz has hit rock bottoms, again.

Their emotional roller coaster, must be hard to hold on......
To sanity [ch128139]

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/17 at 18:18:43

40534B56534555320 wrote:

Your own testimony.....

Because they see him as a danger to the republican party. His tweets, his lack of intelligence, etc.

"They" being the ones you list. The ones that tolerate his antics are the ones controlling the strings...

You site a danger, but if they are pulling his string as a puppet????

We are going in circles.
I will wait for others to chime in, sometimes a different perspective can really help.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/17 at 18:23:34

744641505746516E425148230 wrote:

And finally, anyone honestly thinking there is an impeachment or invoking of 25th amendment in Trump's future is delusional. That would require clear evidence of a serious crime that is traitorous with Trump refusing to step down. If there were something that big out there, it would have reared up by now. So face reality, you've got either 3 or 7 years left of Donald J. Trump. I for one, am glad of that.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Here's one of your hero's twitter posts:

Donald J. Trump [ch10004]@realDonaldTrump
Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!

Now web, I won't bet money as you know, but I highly doubt this idiot will finish out his first term.

I don't stand alone.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/17 at 18:30:40

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah'

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/17 at 05:27:14

Blah, blah, blah, blah....

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/17 at 05:31:51

1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:

Blah, blah, blah, blah....

Wow... can't argue with that.... ::)

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/17 at 09:43:52

You don't argue anything, unless Ray said it.

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by raydawg on 11/13/17 at 10:11:10

6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:

You don't argue anything, unless Ray said it.

Huh?

Maybe I am the slowest sheep...... ;D

Title: Re: Guess your best.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/17 at 11:19:36

He replies to your posts.