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Message started by WebsterMark on 11/16/17 at 05:26:24

Title: Brilliant #2
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/17 at 05:26:24

The Climate Alarmists Definitely Don't Believe Their Own Propaganda
November 15, 2017/ Francis Menton
Is man-caused climate change a crisis that requires immediate action to reduce and eliminate carbon emissions to save the planet? Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit has a frequently-repeated phrase that he uses on this subject, which is "I'll believe that it's a crisis when the people who claim it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis."

Plenty of people have pointed to extreme examples of the "do as I say, not as I do" syndrome in the climate wars. Twenty-three thousand people (23,000!!!!) jet off to Bonn to cook up schemes to force others to fly less. Al Gore has a 10,000+ square foot house that uses more than 20 times the amount of energy as the average American home -- and that's just one of his multiple houses! And so forth. But just because these people behave this way does not necessarily mean that they don't believe their own propaganda; it may just mean that they believe that the burden of sacrifice needs to be on you rather than on themselves. But are there some of their actions that go further and prove that they really know that it's all bullshit?

Because it's hard to get people too worked up over the idea that the temperature might rise a couple of degrees -- or even three! -- the big scare story always tends to revert to sea level rise. Antarctica is going to melt and we're all going to drown!! Or something like that. An article from the Guardian a few days ago (November 3) is typical of the genre:

Hundreds of millions of urban dwellers around the world face their cities being inundated by rising seawaters if latest UN warnings that the world is on course for 3C of global warming come true, according to a Guardian data analysis.

The article comes with plenty of photoshopped pictures of your favorite city deep under water. Here's one of the South Beach area of Miami:

OK then, undoubtedly the progressive climate-alarm-believing elite would situate themselves well away from the dangerous coastlines at some respectable higher elevation. Actually, not at all. The progressive and supposedly climate-alarm-believing elite clusters itself just as close along the coastlines as it can get: New York, LA, San Francisco, Seattle. In New York and San Francisco particularly, favored perches of the alarmists line up right along the waterfront. Tenants of my own office building -- no more than about 30 feet above mean high tide in downtown Manhattan -- include Vox Media. Or consider the Goldman Sachs headquarters, just a couple of hundred feet inland, and barely elevated abov the sea:

I guess that tells you what the smart money thinks. Would they really have put a billion dollar building there if they thought there was anything to this sea level rise thing?

Or consider the case of nuclear power. If carbon emissions really were a huge existential crisis, there is exactly one way to replace the energy we currently get from fossil fuels with energy that is sufficiently abundant and reliable, and reasonable enough in cost, to be a real way to power a modern economy for the entire world. That is nuclear. (By the way, I'm not saying that I am a fan of nuclear power. As far as I'm concerned, we should take what the market provides without government meddling and subsidies, and likely that is almost entirely fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. But what I am saying is that if climate alarmists think that it is absolutely essential to de-carbonize the world economy, then there is only one way to do that without destroying it, and that is widespread adoption of nuclear power.)

Undoubtedly then, the people who are really concerned with climate crisis should be advocating loudly for expansion of nuclear power to replace fossil fuels. Funny, but you literally can't find that. Yes, there are a few examples of lonely individuals out there making this point, but literally no example from any major environmental organization. For instance:

Natural Resources Defense Council? "Expanding nuclear power is not a sound strategy for diversifying America’s energy portfolio and reducing global warming pollution."

Sierra Club? "Nuclear Power Is Not the Answer. The Sierra Club remains unequivocally opposed to nuclear energy."

Greenpeace? "Greenpeace got its start protesting nuclear weapons testing back in 1971. We’ve been fighting against nuclear weapons and nuclear power ever since."

Union of Concerned Scientists? "Current security standards are inadequate to defend nuclear plants against terrorist attacks."

You could go on with this as long as you want.

So what's going on here? There is no way to avoid the conclusion that the biggest promoters of the climate scare don't actually believe their own propaganda. But there are several other reasonable hypotheses for why they continue. For the environmental groups, the reasonable hypothesis is that scaremongering and alarmism are the sine qua non of fundraising. The leaders of the environmental groups themselves know, because they have to, that intermittent renewable energy sources like wind and solar cannot meaningfully de-carbonize the world economy. But the halting advance of those non-workable energy sources means no imminent solutions and therefore a never-ending crisis that can keep career-long sinecures going.

And then there are the U.N. and its collection of scores of "developing" nations playing on the guilt and gullibility of first world bureaucratic elites. Consider this article from yesterday's Indian Express, reporting on the ongoing U.N. climate conference in Bonn, title "The COP Ritual: Frustration Shows Up As Bonn Climate Summit Is Deadlocked Again." What's to "deadlock" over, guys? I thought we all agreed that emitting CO2 is a crisis and we just all have to get together and eliminate that? How wrong you are! Excerpt:

Developing countries are demanding money in addition to the $100 billion developed nations have promised to provide every year from 2020. . . . Developing countries . . . have been demanding the setting up of mechanisms through which they can access financial help in the event of destruction caused by extreme weather events. This financial help needs to be in addition to the US$ 100 billion that the developed countries are obligated to provide every year from 2020 to help developing countries deal with climate change. One of the options being discussed is to raise money through taxes on fossil fuel industry.

Or to put it slightly differently, this was always all about graft, which was mostly to be paid by the United States, until it wised up and walked away. No wonder things are now "deadlocked"! Of course, transferring $100 billion a year from the U.S. and a bunch of EU suckers over to some third-world dictators was never going to do anything to "save the planet." But nobody ever really believed that bullshit anyway.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/17 at 06:06:22

And you complain about me cutting and pasting???

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But please, continue to deny that man has nothing to do with the global climate.

I enjoy a good laugh!

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/17 at 06:46:12

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/17 at 08:13:37

150B040508150E13610 wrote:

And you complain about me cutting and pasting???

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But please, continue to deny that man has nothing to do with the global climate.

I enjoy a good laugh!

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/17 at 08:15:24

please, continue to deny that man has nothing to do with the global climate.

That's the same tired game, EVERY FUKKIN TIME.

He doesn't Want to discuss the points
Just squash any real discussion.
It's what TROLLS Do.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/17 at 08:23:38

734146575041566945564F240 wrote:

Actually, I never said man didn't contribute. I've said it's likely minimal, we don't really understand climate science, global warming should be pretty far down the list of global priorities and we will eventually develop different technologies.

Yeah, "likely minimal". Of course, megatons of material into the atmosphere every month have very little effect on the Planet..... ::)

Why not give a reasoned argument against the point of the article?

What's the point web? You'll just prop up some lame a$$ web fodder that "disproves" man made climate change. Meanwhile, a consensus of the entire scientific community has shown the need for man to reign in fossil fuel consumption.

If proof like that is not going to convince you, nothing will.

So you just keep on doing you.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/17 at 09:25:23

3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:

"Proof"? temperature charts are from manipulated data?
"Consensus"? where 97% of climatologist publication about climate are considered to be pro-global warming rather than what the publication is about?
Where most, paid government climatologists are pro-global warming?

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/17 at 09:39:07

697A6D6C737E787A712E1F0 wrote:

[quote author=3D232C2D203D263B490 link=1510838784/0#5 date=1510849418]
What's the point web? You'll just prop up some lame a$$ web fodder that "disproves" man made climate change. Meanwhile, a consensus of the entire scientific community has shown the need for man to reign in fossil fuel consumption.

If proof like that is not going to convince you, nothing will.

So you just keep on doing you.

"Proof"? temperature charts are from manipulated data? (are you asking or...?)
"Consensus"? where 97% of climatologist publication about climate are considered to be pro-global warming rather than what the publication is about? "pro-global warming? What does that mean? Like pro-life? Pro-First Amendment? Pro-freedom?

Where most, paid government climatologists are pro-global warming?
[/quote]

Please read the above vers. Move along and stay ignorant. SMH

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/17 at 10:32:00

climate change is the biggest single scam ever perpetrated on the world in its history. There has been no temperature increase greater than the margin of error for the past 15 to 20 years. every prediction made by the IPCC has been wrong. Every single one has been over estimated. Absolutely nothing has changed due to the minuscule increase in the average temperature since we began measuring it accurately a century ago. no one on this forum can point to a single piece of verifiable evidence that they themselves can observe that proves climate change. nothing.

As detailed in the thread "Brilliant" that I posted, a legitimate scientific study on climate was hijacked, manipulated and confiscated by power & money hungry elites. The charade is beginning to fall apart. For refusing to participate in a global shakedown and pulling us out of the ridiculous Paris Agreement, Trump should go on Mt. Rushmore.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/17 at 10:35:00

Everyone KNOWS that paying a carbon tax will Fix it.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/17 at 10:52:05

5A686F7E79687F406C7F660D0 wrote:

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Too funny! I almost peed my pants!

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/17 at 11:06:19

I wonder... where are there more billionaires - in alternative energy or oil/gas and coal?

Hmmmm.... gee.... I wonder....

Who has put more money into politics than any other group? Was it those in alternative energies, or those in oil/gas and coal....

Gee, I really do wonder...

LOL - yeah, think really hard web. Think about who ACTUALLY runs the country.

It ain't you or me or anyone on this little forum. It's the kochs, the adelsons, the soros' of the world.

"the biggest single scam ever perpetrated on the world in its history" - is what the oil companies have done with our dependence on their product. We are all junkies to the sweet, black crude.

Wake the F up.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/17 at 11:57:37

You're a sheep.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/17 at 12:33:15

637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:

Everyone KNOWS that paying a carbon tax will Fix it.

Ever heard of agenda 21?
Keep bleeting for your bullshit warming.
You'll be without air conditioning.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/17 at 14:01:23

6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 wrote:

You're a sheep.

Wow! Ripping retort there web!

To play along with you - I'm the sheep that can see the wolf.

But like I said, you go along with your corporately owned representatives and have a great time!

There's nothing to see here, right?

Hope you don't have any real estate in Florida. ;D

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by thumperclone on 11/16/17 at 16:38:29

"for the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence"

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/17 at 17:26:40

5448554D504552434C4F4E45200 wrote:

"for the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence"

Excellent quote!
Now, word by word, explain it.
IMO, that's not exactly a defensible statement.
The ORIGIN and Cause of whatever warming you can claim has occurred aren't Known.
Are you ready to address the medieval warm period?
Do you even have a clue about the effects of the sun and volcanic activity?
Keep shilling for the elite.
You'll be without air conditioning when you get what you're after.

Libya

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by MnSpring on 11/16/17 at 18:17:44

You plant something in the soil.
You want it to grow better.

So you check the soil,
and see if it contains the elements,
needed, to make the plant grow better.

You find out, the soil needs a bit of, ‘this and that’,
so you add it.

You DON’T,
ADD, a TON of B.S.
It just KILLS the Plant !

The sun, does not, never has, given more or less energy.
the Earth, does not wobble on it’s orbit.
The Earth does not wobble, in the orbit it takes.
Their have Never been any, ‘Ice Ages’, ever in History.

(Well now, ‘History’, have to remember the,
‘ANTIFA Ideals Supporters’,
are working on, REMOVING, History)

How long does a, ‘Fruit Fly’, live ?
(In a Humans prospective)
Humans, on this ’Spaceship’,
(Called Earth)
Are like the, ‘Fruit Fly’, are to Humans.

But of course, that does Not mean the humans, cannot do things that will help.
(That is the ‘Earth’, NOT, the Pockets of the guy who said he invented the internet, who has done more in the last 15 years to, POLLUTE, this Spaceship, simply to LINE his OWN Pockets)

NOW, (for the ANTIFA Ideals Supporters), read the first, 4 paragraphs, again.

Title: Re: Brilliant #2
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/17 at 18:24:51

3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:

[quote author=5448554D504552434C4F4E45200 link=1510838784/15#16 date=1510879109]"for the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence"