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Message started by WebsterMark on 11/26/17 at 06:27:42

Title: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by WebsterMark on 11/26/17 at 06:27:42

Great article, see one line which stood out but check the who article.
The ideas behind this article make sense to me. This is why most motorcyclist regardless of brand, gender, race etc will give the nod or the down low wave when riding by.

It would be nice if this group could have a civil, intelligent discussion about this.

"At issue is the oldest debate in the social sciences. Can communities be created by politics and markets, or do they presuppose a prior sense of belonging?"

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/immigration-inconvenient-truths-by-robert-skidelsky-2017-11?a_la=english&a_d=5a1574c578b6c72a0400e6e5&a_m=&a_a=click&a_s=&a_p=homepage&a_li=immigration-inconvenient-truths-by-robert-skidelsky-2017-11&a_pa=

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/26/17 at 07:37:56

It's interesting and thought provoking,but I see things that I am forced to question. I'm not disagreeing with it, but one thing really sticks out.
If you have to increase the retirement age, isn't that saying something?

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by WebsterMark on 11/26/17 at 08:12:21

Yes it is, a lot of things. One thing is people are healthier in later life for one thing. It could also be said the tax burden is way too high which forces ways to create funds that aren’t healthy in the long run.

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/26/17 at 09:29:56

Healthier later in life WAS true.
Watch our life expectancy as it falls.
And if you can remember what your grandparents were doing at sixty, look around and compare. I'm seeing sicker,younger.

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by raydawg on 11/26/17 at 10:09:42

I read a story yesterday regarding how this has pretty much assured Merkel her last gig.
How it is forcing strange bedfellows, once in opposition to each other, to embrace and work with each other, in Germany.

The question I would like to see addressed, maybe I missed it, but what drives immigration?

What is the circumstances that make people leave onto conditions they were born into?

Lets use Mexico as an example.
Why does the country not address the issues that make folks leave to work/live, in a foreign land?

Does the goverment not care about its citizens?

Here in the states we at least try, maybe to the point of enabling even.

I work with a large amount of immigrants from Asia.
Lots of first, and second generations.
They keep their culture, yet assimilate very well into ours, with what I see as a minimum burden upon its new host country.

Anybody care to address why that is?

Are they just smarter, realizing the path to independence is not demanding, but of utilizing the opportunity to wealth by hard work and sacrifice?

Are their scars from the forces that drove them away, just more fresh, so their focus more attuned?

One thing I have noticed is most still have extended families from where they came, and they still maintain that relationship.....
However, I believe its unanimous that none would return their.

Its a complex issue, for sure, but the biggest reason I see for immigration is tyranny.

Is the fix, a one world order?

That is fertile ground I see in the bible, that will further its prophecy......

How do you argue against a system that says it will protect, and distribute the needs, of everyone, where they presently reside?

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by MnSpring on 11/26/17 at 13:48:02

“…This is why most motorcyclist regardless of brand, gender, race etc will give the nod or the down low wave when riding…”

I believe a, ‘group’, of people, that have just one thing in common.
Acknowledge, the other, for that one thing.
(Driving a MC, Jeep, Vet, etc, etc, etc)

And the fact that,’something’, in common, is a ’need’, in many people.
Thus the, ’need’, to, ’Tear Down Statues’, when their is nothing else to do.

The biggest example of this is.

Grew up, in a small town, (didn’t know/understand it then,
just accepted, that’s how all people interacted,
thought it was the, Norm’.)
The majority of people their, knew the other people, and in a way, ‘watched out’ for each other.

Years ago, I lived in a apartment in the Cities.
If something would have happened, no one would care.
If I was dead, no one would check, until the smell got to bad.

Moved back to a small town.
It was back to, ‘community', It felt, normal.
Years later, getting Mail, going to the Bank, having Coffee in the Cafe.
Took Much longer, than ‘just’ the reason, because you talked to those you encountered.

(Even in the 80’s, had a shop in a small town, P.O. was 2 blocks away, and most days I walked.
It took, at Least 1/2 Hour, many times more.
Today, I live 3 miles from their. I drive, and it takes, Most of the time, 15 Minuets !)

Now, ‘Communities’, are NOT, just Country/Small towns.
They was a place, it was a very tight nit, large, ‘community’, in the City.
(In the MIDDLE of the City)
Yet a, new road, (I-94), was to go through.
That, and others, were completely DESTROYED,
3-4, blocks, wide, and 20 Miles Long.
Those people were dispersed, and never were a ‘community’ again.

Today, people are, born, live a young life, (0 - 16 years old or so),
And, NEVER KNOW, their Neighbor, or the person down the block,
or the Janitor/Baker/Candle Stick maker, in the area they live.
(More in a big City, yet also happening in small towns)
That is what they know as, ’normal’.

That type of, ‘divide’, has been around for 250+ Years in this Nation.
Look at the very old reference to: (City Slicker/Country Mouse)
It has slowly been getting, ‘wider’, and in the last year it seems,
it has, ‘gotten wider’, at a phenomenal rate.

Change that. Get the people, ’together’.
Help them realize, that Just because, they are a,
‘City Slicker or a Country Mouse’
(Or Dem/Rep/Ind/etc)
They ALL, have at least One thing in common.
They all, eat/sleep, and are Homo Sapiens.

And, bet ya, their will be a LOT MORE things.

However, their is, ’someone’, a ‘group’, a ‘entity’,
that does, NOT, want that to happen.

What ya gonna do about it ?

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/26/17 at 21:58:12

The idea that immigration is immigration is as silly as pretending the NFL draft could be done by coin toss.

Pay attention to the immigration requirements of other nations.
Why are lefties so quick to demand America do that next socialist thing the
Other First World nations are doing, but They don't want to look at the immigration requirements of other countries?

THAT'S going nowhere.

Title: Re: Can communities be created by policies?
Post by WebsterMark on 11/27/17 at 07:04:44

an up and coming policy position that might take hold everywhere, hopefully here in US

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/norway-is-hard-on-migrants-but-tough-love-works/