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Title: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/17 at 15:34:25 I know Bannon has often spoken in the tones of an anarchist hell bent on destroying the status quo, and that it always seemed like he has his hand up Trump's ass like the sock puppet that Donald is, however today after Trump has had a year of seeing what a "see you next tuesday" kind of a guy he is, we now see it in action. While not as high profile as some of his other stunts, like praising the Charlottesville nazis, he has now decided to use the considerable power of his office to promote an extreme right wing violent Party in another country. A woman who got the grand total of 56 votes in the last election and lost her deposit is retweeted by your Donald thus giving her a worldwide stage. The person who murdered Jo Cox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox shouted out the name of her party as he plunged the knife in. I realise that there are people here who delight in the antics of the donald but I would hope that even those people would see this as an extreme abuse of the office of the President and the people of the United States. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/trump-account-retweets-anti-muslim-videos-of-british-far-right-leader |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/17 at 15:53:30 Our sycophantic PM in Australia sucked up to donald when he was here and like everyone who panders to donald it was downhill all the way. He has lost his majority and has just announced an humiliating Royal Commission into banks, which he has been fighting against for two years. Turnbull is an ex banker. http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4395ffb03a75f09f3c85fd18f7a588e9 |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/17 at 16:15:45 like praising the Charlottesville nazis, Never happened. You're delusional. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by ruckus430 on 11/29/17 at 16:26:10 Good point eau de savage, Trump supports nazis and violent right wing extremists worldwide, it's too bad america is being held hostage by an old and dying ideology I don't think we can get rid of them, just have to wait for them to literally die off so we can finally make some progress as a society. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by MnSpring on 11/29/17 at 16:27:21 WM ya Beat me to it. What a Reckless Remark, " praising the Charlottesville nazis " from someone. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/17 at 16:38:05 Spring, i think we've found Keith Oberman and his twin..... |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/17 at 16:43:31 447671606776615E726178130 wrote:
Wow fantastic argument you've come up with there. You can read the transcript. https://www.vox.com/2017/8/15/16154028/trump-press-conference-transcript-charlottesville By the way after admitting that it was him who made the infamous grab 'em by the poosey" comment and apologising, he now is promoting the narrative that it wasn't his voice. Roffle. Anyway let's take a look at your troll president, he's tweeting as your President random troll video on muslims. Specifically on muslims. What if if Theresa may posts a video of your all American and normal kinda guy Mr Paddock who machine guns 500 people at a festival. Without comment of course. Anyway the POINT, in case you've forgotten it is that he is using the office of the US president to promote a complete no body. And as was pointed out in the article, the video he retweeted from her twitter feed, were not in order, meaning he is looking through twitter feeds of the worst of the worst right wing violent outsiders looking for material. This is taking his stuff to another level, he is the more dangerous than Kim Jong Un. I find it amazing that those supporting trump don't care what he does, as donald himself said, " “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters I think the worst thing though about him is his obvious desire to wear the very worst attitude that men have towards women as a badge of honour. Forget about politics it's the job of men to protect women not abuse them. that's why the world is f.ucked up because men are not protecting the women. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/17 at 17:00:09 This is the group who is led by the person Trump knowingly promoted with his tweets. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-30/donald-trumps-far-right-britain-first-retweets-shocks-uk/9209648 |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/17 at 17:15:08 praise [pr[ch257]z] VERB express warm approval or admiration of: "we can't praise Chris enough—he did a brilliant job" synonyms: commend · express admiration for · applaud · [more] NOUN the expression of approval or admiration for someone or something: "the audience was full of praise for the whole production" synonyms: approval · acclaim · admiration · approbation · [more] Nothing remotely resembling even 1/100th of the definition praise in the link you provided. However, here's a word ypu should familiarize yourself with: hy·per·bo·le [h[ch299][ch712]p[ch601]rb[ch601]l[ch275] NOUN exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. synonyms: exaggeration · overstatement · magnification · embroidery · embellishment · excess · overkill · rhetoric · purple prose · puffery |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/17 at 17:21:29 Now your unhinged president has posted another tweet attacking May.. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/936037588372283392 @Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine! Here he is stirring up another country's politics by promoting one of their right wing nut jobs and has the audacity to tell her to basically mind her own business when her spokesman says it was wrong of trump. 'We're doing just fine' right, you just had 500 people machine gunned. Don't you think that he's better off focussing on the real domestic threats that his inflammatory rhetoric is stirring up. @WebsterMark, quotes from the dictionary, what are you a 12 year old troll. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/17 at 17:32:21 First off, based on what you think constitutes "praise", not only are you expressing yourself as a 12 year old, you also clearly need educating on the definition of words. Secondly, do you honestly think Donald Trump has praise for white supremacists? Think before you answer that and answer honestly. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/17 at 18:49:08 1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:
Yes I do, but not because he cares about their cause, it's because he knows he needs the votes of stupid people in key states. In reality he couldn't give a rats arse about them, other than as a useful tool for his weirdo purposes. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by ruckus430 on 11/29/17 at 21:55:21 382A3E3D2A2C2E4B0 wrote:
Yes I do, but not because he cares about their cause, it's because he knows he needs the votes of stupid people in key states. In reality he couldn't give a rats arse about them, other than as a useful tool for his weirdo purposes.[/quote] eau savage let me do you a favor don't get into a back and forth with them, they absolutely cannot come up with any logical response besides whataboutism, conspiracy theories or personal attacks. Its ok history will prove them wrong and they have to look themselves in the mirror when the time comes |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 11/30/17 at 05:22:53 Tell you what I'm going to do, ignore you both. I encourage others at this table to do the same. You are the equivalent of drive by shootings. It was foolish of me to respond in the first place. We do not need this at the table, we need less. Others can engage with you if they want but I hope they don't. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Trippah on 11/30/17 at 08:02:51 Rukus and eau, nice to see some sensible comments. Tweety, the LSS, will do as much damage as he can aided by the other millionaires/billionaires who populate the Senate. He doesn't care about anything but eliminating death taxes for the veddy rich. He lives in an alternate universe in his mind, says pithy one liners about us vs them crap, and paddles on. We had WWI, then WWII, then the bloody Yugo breakup and ethnic cleansing. Plenty of people with his headset around, unfortunately. :'( |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Serowbot on 11/30/17 at 08:33:36 Trump’s Day: Praised by David Duke, Condemned by Theresa May 'Thank God for Trump': Former KKK leader David Duke praises the president for sharing anti-Muslim videos Quote:
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 11/30/17 at 08:52:07 Tripp; what has Trump DONE; not said but done, that would make any rational person use the name of Trump with WWI, WWII, ethnic cleansing... etc. Is calling for what many would say is a completely rational immigration policy; deport illegal immigrants who've committed felonies; something you feel is 'Hitler-esk'? Are you saying that's a form of ethnic cleansing? Is demanding cities follow federal law and not actively work against federal law enforcement by establishing sanctuary cities a type of 'brownshirt' action? Do you really think Trump went through all of this just so he could get his fellow wealthy a tax cut? 'Thank God for Trump': Former KKK leader David Duke praises the president for sharing anti-Muslim videos and so what? I could find a million quotes from enemies of the USa who thanked Obama. David Duke means nothing to anyone except Democrats who pull out a quote of his now and then to beat someone with it. I have no defense to offer on Trump's tweets other than the ones that correct media lies. I wouldn't attack basketball player's fathers or Senators on the other side. That's his method and it's been successful so far. But none of that changes the fact there are more jobs, the economy is up, the stock market is up, consumer confidence is up since Trump's been in office. The business world has confidence he'll not be an enemy to the economy. Illegal immigrating is down, wall or no wall. The very talk of a wall brought the topic to the forefront and we are reaping the benefit. You guys are the equivalent of those who thought Obama was a Muslim -socialist - communist plant whose only focus was destroying the USA. You are a caricature of Trump from 2 years ago. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Serowbot on 11/30/17 at 09:11:36 The world thinks Trump is a vile, racist, and a foolish joke,.. but that's okay 'cause the economy is doing good... ..for the moment... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Trippah on 11/30/17 at 09:16:32 The upswing in business is based, I suspect, on the presence of a Republican President and Senate and the promise of lower corporate and individual taxes on the largest collections of wealth. It is nothing that the Donald has done, rather the promise. ;) Yes, I think the LSS plays up the skin head neo-Nazi crap as a smokescreen for the real agenda, saving himself billions. Since he lives in his own world, he hasn't "Gone through all of this" because he doesn't care -so long as his cronies keep telling him he is wonderful, and his end game, increasing and then keeping his brand wealth. So why is the skin head act bad? Cause a lot of dumb people then think it is reasonable. ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by raydawg on 11/30/17 at 09:37:41 gobble, gobble, gobble......... |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by raydawg on 11/30/17 at 09:42:21 I agree whole heartily.... It is nothing that the Donald has done, rather the promise. Which should tell us something about how our economy works best. Is it possible a healthy economy can produce a healthy populace too? Money is a GIANT worry for many. Makes some folks, er, crazy ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by T And T Garage on 11/30/17 at 09:57:35 Uh oh... the progressives are on attack! Look out cons! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/30/17 at 13:39:00 It looks like Tillerson will be gone soon, and it is illuminating that while it wouldn't help him, calling donald a f.ucking moron is not the reason he's going, the reason that donald has given is that Tillerson is 'too establishment'. This is the clearest clue yet that Trump really does want to troll the world. Hence his retweeting of troll videos from an extremist British right wing group, and then his trolling Theresa May who foolishly sucked up to donald when she was last in the States. Donald doesn't even have a plan, it is my belief that he only ran for the presidency to boost his empire and didn't plan on winning which is why he won't run for a second term. As the joker said in The Dark Knight, 'do I look like I have a plan?' https://youtu.be/DgzssDOTMXs . |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by MnSpring on 11/30/17 at 18:11:34 3D353A606764540 wrote:
Very Typical response, when someone KNOWS, they have lost. (They ALWAYS will say) Just, ‘Back Away’, ‘I am correct” Quote: ’Nonsense, and ‘Deflect’. And say: “History will Prove”. Do wonder though, if, ‘History is, ‘Erased’, like the: ‘Blind in one Eye, hard to see out of the other, ‘ SNOWFLAKE', Kum-By-You Singing, Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA Ideals Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling people, Stand in the Street and CRY, and say: Gimme, Gimme, Gimme, people’. WANT, and have Done. How would one Know, if something in the past, was right or wrong? How could one, ‘Learn’, from, History ? How could one, move forward, noting the mistakes of the past, when their is NO, "History”. (Or it has been revised, to be, P.C. Correct) But, just Keep, ‘Re-inventing’, the, ‘WHEEL”. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/30/17 at 18:45:00 when someone KNOWS, they have lost. You're so dopey it's amusing. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by raydawg on 12/01/17 at 00:28:52 7167706D75606D76020 wrote:
Gee, who was it that said, “It’s the economy stupid” Oh yeah, that great pain feeler President, LMAO.... I bet you paint yourself into corners a lot ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Serowbot on 12/01/17 at 07:04:36 2C3F273A3F29395E0 wrote:
Carville,... at a time when the economy was down, then Clinton brought it back up... then Bush brought down,... then Obama brought it back up... See a pattern here?.... ::) Try getting out of that corner... :P |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by raydawg on 12/01/17 at 08:15:48 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
Carville,... at a time when the economy was down, then Clinton brought it back up... then Bush brought down,... then Obama brought it back up... See a pattern here?.... ::) Try getting out of that corner... :P [/quote] Gawd you are funny, I bet you write for Franken.... Hey Al, see chick, grab her tits while sleeping, smile like the fn devil.....HAHAHAHAHA.. You are so cute, you botheads :-* |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by MnSpring on 12/01/17 at 16:52:29 3523342931242932460 wrote:
“… The World …” Is that, All, the people on this Planet? Is that, All, the Nations on this Planet? Is that, ’some’, of the People/Nations? Is that, ‘Only’, the, Nations/People, that the, Media Say? Or is the phase, “…The World Thinks…” Like the 1,600 ? Please enlighten me, on the, Facts. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/03/17 at 16:49:28 One year on and Trump is beginning to completely lose it... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/03/donald-trump-michael-flynn-russia-investigation-abc-news-ross First Manafort then Flynn. Now Trump via his lawyer inadvertently admitted he knew Flynn lied to FBI before he sacked Comey. However he seems blissfully unable to comprehend the magnitude of his predicament. I'll get the popcorn. Flynn has some heavy duty conspiracy to kidnap hanging over him and he won't be protecting donald any longer. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Serowbot on 12/04/17 at 06:57:42 Does anybody really believe his lawyer wrote that tweet?... Jeeeeeeeeez.... ::) |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Trippah on 12/04/17 at 09:01:02 Hey, for a few million more, to fall on the sword for the great one...porque no? |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by ruckus430 on 12/04/17 at 09:43:37 Donny boy using the ole twitter excuse "but my account was hacked" lol doesnt excuse obstruction of justice and the presidents tweets are official statements of the president by law, so that lawyer is admitting to impersonation of a president lollll. no matter how you slice it, this was a bigly mistake, also no one with half a brain is buying that horsecrap maybe except Trump's brain dead followers |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by T And T Garage on 12/04/17 at 11:44:38 Everyone - just go back and look at tweety's interview with Lester Holt! He admitted to obstruction. Plain and simple. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 12/04/17 at 14:02:19 Presidents “can’t “ obstruct justice. Because they can pardon anyone at anytime and as head of the Justice Department, he can direct prosecutors to pursue or stop any investigation. Of all citizens, the President is unique in this regard. However, he can be impeached if Congress is inclined to do so. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by T And T Garage on 12/04/17 at 14:24:01 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
Yeah, just like Clinton was. This will become a mere formality (after the corporate tax cut passes). Tricky dicky resigned for less.... |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/04/17 at 15:20:54 013334252233241B37243D560 wrote:
That's not true, while it is true that he can direct investigators to stop any investigation, it nevertheless remains illegal if the purpose of that direction was specifically to 'obstruct' justice. Also don't forget impeachment doesn't in itself remove the president. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/04/17 at 15:26:46 Lawfareblog is a great place to get a more legal take on various shenanigans... https://www.lawfareblog.com/flynns-plea-and-significance-lying-russia-investigation |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/04/17 at 15:41:34 [color=#666666] 2234233E26333E25510 wrote:
[/color] Ha, yes it is entirely plausible that his lawyers who have been begging him to not say anything on Twitter about any legal matters would write a tweet for him that implicates him obstruction. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by ruckus430 on 12/04/17 at 19:28:34 7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:
Hey webster mark let me just stop you right there "In 1999, Sessions – then an Alabama senator – laid out an impassioned case for President Bill Clinton to be removed from office based on the argument that Clinton obstructed justice amid the investigation into his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky." “The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice,” he said, according to remarks in the congressional record. "In all, 17 sitting senators supported the obstruction of justice charge against Clinton in 1998 and 1999." https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obstruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517 The current attorney general and 17 sitting senators are on the record saying a president can and has obstructed justice. Soooo what were you saying again?? No one is above the law sit down please. http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/68/68716183bbbd59631f4246205160c41dd89c120ba8a0330a81d5dfceb57eb5e0.jpg http://https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ixLh7FdHOhM/WSApBLALJEI/AAAAAAAACDY/3lAHdE6YpSwc7Yw_aknetzFwNd1-28S4ACLcB/s1600/anigif_enhanced-buzz-24584-1377206314-12.gif |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 12/04/17 at 19:34:37 7C626D6C617C677A080 wrote:
Yeah, just like Clinton was. This will become a mere formality (after the corporate tax cut passes). Tricky dicky resigned for less....[/quote] As you have often done before, your ignorance is proving my point. Nixon resigned rather than face an impeachment vote by the House. He likely would have been impeached but he left before the vote was taken. He was not indicted nor could he have been indicted for obstruction of justice because he could have / would have fired all the prosecutors involved. With the full and uncontested Powers of Pardon available to the Presidency, it is impossible to convict the president of obstruction which is why we have impeachment clauses. The president is the chief law-enforcement officer. He can direct the actions of anyone subordinate to him which, by definition, is everyone in the Justice Department. But you can't have a President running around breaking laws and doing whatever he wishes. The founding fathers gave the Presidency King-like powers but only up to a certain point. This was a major dividing line between what had been done in the past and what this Republic was supposed to stand for. It's one of the reasons why George Washington is one of the greatest Presidents because he refused the Kingship powers some offered him after his terms. Honestly, am I the only one whose heard of The Federalist Papers, had a constitutional law class or read history? Are all you leftist educated on MTV, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert? |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/05/17 at 03:14:39 @WM As you have often done before, your ignorance is proving my point. Hang on did you seriously mean to say that the president 'cannot' be charged with obstruction of justice as it's technically not possible? Or are you saying something else. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/17 at 03:57:39 Yes, from a both a practical and legal point view, everything I've read recently and in the past says a President cannot obstruct justice. The only things I've read that argue against that fact, foolishly (like ruckus did above) confuse the political proceedings of impeachment with a law enforcement action. They are not the same. Trump can direct that Mueller be fired (I read somewhere that for some legal reason, Trump can't fire Mueller himself, but other officials could so it doesn't really matter from a practical point of view) and Trump could pardon Flynn today if he wanted and end this witch-hunt. If Trump or any President did obstruct, which I don't believe he did, but even if he did, he cannot be criminally charged with obstruction. 1-its never been tested and 2- he could go down the line and fire every prosecutor who attempted to indict him 3- he could pardon any witness and it's arguable he could even pardon himself. He won't (probably won't anyway, who knows with Trump) because that would almost certainly bring impeachment proceedings which is the only remedy against a sitting President for obstruction of justice. That is a political remedy, not a law enforcement remedy. He'll face no threat of incarceration or civil actions against him for obstruction. So yes, ,the President of the United States is in fact, above some of the laws you and I are bound to. If you think it through, it makes sense. But don't get hung up on it, it's really a non-issue. There are safeguards against actions that would seriously and/or permanently damage the nation. Impeachment is the remedy after the fact, the Electoral College after the election and before inauguration and the campaign cycle before that. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/05/17 at 04:20:09 @WB, https://www.justsecurity.org/47662/trumps-lawyer-wrong-obstruction-justice/ I guess we'll all just have to wait and see how this pans out. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/17 at 04:31:28 Again, another partisan article that purposely blurs the line between law enforcement actions and impeachment. This is not a 'we'll just have to agree to disagree' issues. There is no grey area here unless you do what you've and others have done which is to lump impeachment in with the same legal jeopardy you and I face. A sitting President cannot be legally indicted and charged with obstruction of justice. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by T And T Garage on 12/05/17 at 06:19:03 5E6C6B7A7D6C7B44687B62090 wrote:
Ha! Funny you should mention that! It's quite apparent that our president got most of his education from those very same sources! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/17 at 08:21:24 Step away from the keyboard. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by eau de sauvage on 12/05/17 at 12:07:37 576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
Obviously he can, so just as obviously this is going to be something we will have to 'agree to disagree on'. |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by Serowbot on 12/05/17 at 12:12:53 Trump’s lawyer: the president can’t obstruct justice. 13 legal experts: yes, he can. https://www.vox.com/2017/12/4/16733422/fbi-deal-trump-flynn-russia-comey "The president as commander-in-chief has the power to order military strikes, but if his intent was to kill his wife's lover in a strike, that would be murder. And if the president interferes or impedes an FBI investigation with "corrupt intent," that's obstruction of justice" |
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Title: Re: Trump: A dangerous creep... Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/17 at 13:14:41 Yes, that would be but he can’t be indicted or criminally charged for obstruction. |
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