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Message started by Serowbot on 12/06/17 at 10:47:40

Title: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by Serowbot on 12/06/17 at 10:47:40

Why?...
This ain't draining the swamp,.. it's setting fire to the world... :-?

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/06/17 at 11:07:06

Is this sorta like when Obama decided he would not use the word Muslim Extremist to describe ISIS.......???

You know, these powerful little boys think the world hinges on their collective mind f uck games?

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/17 at 11:09:17

Every recent President, Clinton, Bush and Obama, said they were going to do this while campaigning, but none of them meant it. Trump did.

Look, the Palestinians have accomplished nothing of significance except taking money from other nations and poisoning the United Nations while they fester in their cesspool. They fought a war for Jerusalem and lost. Time to move on. Or we can keep playing this silly game pretending these peace talks are valid like we've been doing for the past 30 or 40 years.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/06/17 at 11:31:20


546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
Every recent President, Clinton, Bush and Obama, said they were going to do this while campaigning, but none of them meant it. Trump did.

Look, the Palestinians have accomplished nothing of significance except taking money from other nations and poisoning the United Nations while they fester in their cesspool. They fought a war for Jerusalem and lost. Time to move on. Or we can keep playing this silly game pretending these peace talks are valid like we've been doing for the past 30 or 40 years.


Perhaps if we baked a cake with a Jew, and a Arab, on top.....maybe?
Ya know, we can ALL have our cake, and EAT it too!

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/06/17 at 11:36:18

You mean this Web?


Some of the top congressional Democrats blasting President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and move the U.S. Embassy there have in fact supported that very position in the past.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., penned a letter to the president last week, urging him not to move the embassy. Feinstein’s letter said the move would “spark violence, further alienate the United States and undermine the prospects of a two-state solution.”

“The future of Jerusalem is an issue that should be decided by Israel and the Palestinians, not unilaterally by the United States,” Feinstein wrote.

Feinstein was among those who voted for a 1995 law passed by Congress that required “the relocation of the United States embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.” The measure also required the U.S. recognize the city as the capital of Israel.

That law, the Jerusalem Embassy Act, passed the Senate by a 93-5 margin. But it has never been implemented due to a loophole that allowed successive presidents – Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama – the option to issue waivers every six months to delay the embassy move.


WOW.... a 93 to 5 vote, I wonder if we could agree that is bipartisan?  

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by eau de sauvage on 12/06/17 at 11:50:28

Trump finally got something right. The Palestinians have not now nor have they ever wanted peace.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/06/17 at 12:05:01


786A7E7D6A6C6E0B0 wrote:
Trump finally got something right. The Palestinians have not now nor have they ever wanted peace.


Did you read what I copied?

Why do you think the sitting administration never enacted this resolution?
I mean honestly, why bring it to vote if you do not intend to ultilize it....???

I get why Bot’s panties are wadded, MSNBC issued it as their official talking point of the day....
But that vote was overwhelming in favor of this.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/17 at 13:00:20

It was overwhelming because everyone knew no President (until Trump) would ever do it.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/06/17 at 13:41:47


625057464150477854475E350 wrote:
It was overwhelming because everyone knew no President (until Trump) would ever do it.



Why web, symbolism.....
A dog that only barks?

I listened to Michael Medved coming to work, very interesting.
Palestine has never had Jerusalem it’s capital per se, historically.
This idea is a recent one.
You loose a war, but fail to sign a peace treaty, WTF, who do these people think they are?

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/17 at 13:53:04

The Palestine Authority is the global version of Black Lives Matter. It's always everyone else's fault and if they just had this one thing......everything would be great and they'd stop killing each other.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/06/17 at 14:59:38


54475F42475141260 wrote:
Is this sorta like when Obama decided he would not use the word Muslim Extremist to describe ISIS.......???

Umm... not at all like that.... lol

You know, these powerful little boys think the world hinges on their collective mind f uck games?



Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/06/17 at 15:12:55

No, then please try your best to explain to me how, shall I say dissing ISIS with no mention of their “beliefs” ( Islam)  is not a brain fuucking only?

Does your refusal to call Tweeter, President Trumpchange anything in the real world?


Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/06/17 at 15:26:44


50435B46435545220 wrote:
No, then please try your best to explain to me how, shall I say dissing ISIS with no mention of their “beliefs” ( Islam)  is not a brain fuucking only?

Does your refusal to call Tweeter, President Trumpchange anything in the real world?


By not calling isis "Islamic terrorism" is the same thing as not calling timothy mcveigh, dyaln roof or any other home-grown terrorist "Christain terrorism".

The morons in isis are not practicing the Muslim faith.  Just like the mcveighs of the world aren't practicing Christianity (I'm fairly certain they believe in Jesus Christ though...)

By tweety making this declaration, he instantly destabilizes an already fragile region of the Middle East.  But honestly, we all know why he did it.  bennie asked him to and he wants to be popular with Israel... the orange in chief has no idea what the ramifications will be.

You keep forgetting - he's just not that smart.

As to my pet name for our "wonderful" president.  He deserves the name I give him, and not any of my respect.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/17 at 16:15:47

By not calling isis "Islamic terrorism" is the same thing as not calling timothy mcveigh, dyaln roof or any other home-grown terrorist "Christain terrorism".

Well, that's especially true since McVeigh was an atheist......kinda hard to call him a Christian terrorist.

And the whole point about Islamic Terrorist is they kill in the name of their religion. It's not a case that they kill and happen to be Muslim. Big difference.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/06/17 at 16:21:18


6A585F4E49584F705C4F563D0 wrote:
By not calling isis "Islamic terrorism" is the same thing as not calling timothy mcveigh, dyaln roof or any other home-grown terrorist "Christain terrorism".

Well, that's especially true since McVeigh was an atheist......kinda hard to call him a Christian terrorist.

And the whole point about Islamic Terrorist is they kill in the name of their religion. It's not a case that they kill and happen to be Muslim. Big difference.


And I see they fooled you.

Islam teaches terrorism as much as the Bible does....

They're not Muslims just because they say they are.

That's the point you miss.

BTW, mcviegh took Last Rites.... hmm.... seems pretty Christian to me...

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/17 at 16:39:22

Any atheist in a foxhole suddenly becomes very interested in the afterlife....  read his final statement, the poem he referred to.

My point stands and you will find it impossible to refute. Christian terrorist are as rare as a 4 leaf clover. I'll give you 20 to 1, you name a Christian terrorist and I'll name 20 Islamic terrorist. Remember, a Christian terrorist is like that guy who killed that abortion doctor. Go ahead.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/07/17 at 06:51:18


695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:
Any atheist in a foxhole suddenly becomes very interested in the afterlife....  read his final statement, the poem he referred to.

My point stands and you will find it impossible to refute. Christian terrorist are as rare as a 4 leaf clover. I'll give you 20 to 1, you name a Christian terrorist and I'll name 20 Islamic terrorist. Remember, a Christian terrorist is like that guy who killed that abortion doctor. Go ahead.



Again web - it's funny that you're so quick to believe that isis - who've killed more Children Of Islam than anyone else - are Islamic.  How does that work exactly?

Just think about that for a second....

But you've got guys like mcveigh - who was brought up Catholic - and roof who considered himself a Christian, and you think nothing of their upbringing and faith.  How does that work exactly?

People like you are the prime targets for terrorism.  You believe whatever message they want you to.  They want you to fear Muslims and look at you.  They want you to put travel bans in place, go to the Middle East and start wars to "prove" their right - and look at where we are right now.

Guys obl have actually won in a sense.  9/11 did more than kill thousands and topple several buildings.  It gave terrorists all over the world what they wanted - power via fear and nothing else.

Look back on your life before that day and tell me your view on Muslims didn't change.  I'll call you a blatant liar.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/17 at 06:58:53

But you've got guys like mcveigh - who was brought up Catholic - and roof who considered himself a Christian, and you think nothing of their upbringing and faith.  How does that work exactly?

I'm beginning to think this is beyond your comprehension level. There's a difference between someone who commits a crime who is a member of a religion and someone who commits a crime in the name of that religion? Do you see the difference?  It's the same difference between a hate crime and a regular assault for example. If you can't grasp that, why are you even commenting on anything? We had a triple murder here in St. Louis not long ago. The suspect attended Church regularly. Does that make him a "Christian Terrorist"?  That seems to be what you are saying. If not, please explain.  

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/17 at 07:07:39

Guys obl have actually won in a sense.  9/11 did more than kill thousands and topple several buildings.  It gave terrorists all over the world what they wanted - power via fear and nothing else.

Look back on your life before that day and tell me your view on Muslims didn't change.  I'll call you a blatant liar.

I think that 'fear' began long before OBL but certainly 9/11 changed everything. However, a little better planning on the first attack on the WTC and 9/11 wouldn't have happened and we'd be referring to that date.

Fear? This coming from a group who regularly shut down speech because they fear words...You can't abide by the fear of someone carrying a gun or owning semi automatic weapons because your media has made you afraid. You can't abide the fear of a Nativity scene in a small town's courthouse or a cross on a grave in a national park.... The very word of TRUMP is like a dagger.... Leftist are one big giant fearful snowflake.


Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by Trippah on 12/07/17 at 07:21:30

before you all run out of type, remember the troubles in Ireland?  It was sold as Catholicism as the true word, while the Church of England was a deviant....and you can go on and on with Christians killing Christians, and Jews and Muslims, or you can go on and on about Muslims killing Muslims, Jews and  Christians. And being a Vietnam vet, one of my fav's is Kill A Commie for Christ.   Really, so long as we can kill somebody  for some fantasy (like God's True Word is Religion X) the arms manufacturers will remain pleased.  

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by Trippah on 12/07/17 at 07:23:52

but no matter how upset people get, a nation should get to choose where to place it capital; if everyone is against it, attack and overrun the nation and set up the capital where you like.  The USA should look at Billings Montana for a relocation of our capital site. :D

They used to call OBL Usama Bin Laden which, given his hatred for the USA, must have irritated the hell out of him.  He is, however, the poster child for a terrorist with lotsa money and friends in the US gvnt/Big Oil.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/07/17 at 11:41:39


1E2C2B3A3D2C3B04283B22490 wrote:
But you've got guys like mcveigh - who was brought up Catholic - and roof who considered himself a Christian, and you think nothing of their upbringing and faith.  How does that work exactly?

I'm beginning to think this is beyond your comprehension level. There's a difference between someone who commits a crime who is a member of a religion and someone who commits a crime in the name of that religion?

Dude, so you actually believe that they (isis) are doing this based solely on their religion??  I guess you really are that stupid...

Do you see the difference?  It's the same difference between a hate crime and a regular assault for example. If you can't grasp that, why are you even commenting on anything? We had a triple murder here in St. Louis not long ago. The suspect attended Church regularly. Does that make him a "Christian Terrorist"? (by your standards, yes) That seems to be what you are saying. If not, please explain.  

My only explanation is this - if the Muslim community at large condemns isis and all other terrorist actions, that makes them terrorists, not Islamic extremists.  dylan roof wasn't a "Christian extremist" - he was a terrorist.  

Why are you so quick to believe a terrorist organization and not the Muslim community?

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/17 at 14:20:57

Dude, so you actually believe that they (isis) are doing this based solely on their religion??

I see no other more reasonable explanation.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by eau de sauvage on 12/07/17 at 15:26:46


37110A1313020B630 wrote:
They used to call OBL Usama Bin Laden...



I thought they called him Osama Bin Liner.

Anyhoo Trump is in this instance is merely following the law.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/07/17 at 16:15:55


53415556414745200 wrote:
[quote author=37110A1313020B630 link=1512586060/15#20 date=1512660232]
They used to call OBL Usama Bin Laden...



I thought they called him Osama Bin Liner.

Anyhoo Trump is in this instance is merely following the law.[/quote]

You are absolutely right.....
However, the Botheads need their Kool-Aid mugs filled daily, sells air time.
You would have thought by now Russia would have made this story moot.


Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/07/17 at 17:28:47


685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 wrote:
Dude, so you actually believe that they (isis) are doing this based solely on their religion??

I see no other more reasonable explanation.


Seriously?

Talk about naive..... It's about power.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/07/17 at 17:35:22


5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 wrote:
Guys obl have actually won in a sense.  9/11 did more than kill thousands and topple several buildings.  It gave terrorists all over the world what they wanted - power via fear and nothing else.

Look back on your life before that day and tell me your view on Muslims didn't change.  I'll call you a blatant liar.

I think that 'fear' began long before OBL but certainly 9/11 changed everything. However, a little better planning on the first attack on the WTC and 9/11 wouldn't have happened and we'd be referring to that date.

Fear? This coming from a group who regularly shut down speech because they fear words...You can't abide by the fear of someone carrying a gun or owning semi automatic weapons because your media has made you afraid. You can't abide the fear of a Nativity scene in a small town's courthouse or a cross on a grave in a national park.... The very word of TRUMP is like a dagger.... Leftist are one big giant fearful snowflake.


Huh?  "Fear" on the left?  WTF are you talking about?  We want reasonable gun laws, but the righties scream "...from our cold, dead hands!"  You guys are afraid of the big bad government... you feel you NEED guns to "protect" yourselves... that's living in fear.

Fear of a nativity scene?  Huh??  You cons are afraid of any other religion being put up next to yours. (War on Christmas ring a bell?)

Yeah, yet another sign of projection from the right.  Our president is so thin-skinned, he MUST respond to every little public criticism via twitter.  You wanna talk about fear - look no farther than tweety!

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/07/17 at 17:36:49


1D3B2039392821490 wrote:
before you all run out of type, remember the troubles in Ireland?  It was sold as Catholicism as the true word, while the Church of England was a deviant....and you can go on and on with Christians killing Christians, and Jews and Muslims, or you can go on and on about Muslims killing Muslims, Jews and  Christians. And being a Vietnam vet, one of my fav's is Kill A Commie for Christ.   Really, so long as we can kill somebody  for some fantasy (like God's True Word is Religion X) the arms manufacturers will remain pleased.  


Well put Trippah!

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/17 at 19:06:31


312F20212C312A37450 wrote:
[quote author=685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 link=1512586060/15#22 date=1512685257]Dude, so you actually believe that they (isis) are doing this based solely on their religion??

I see no other more reasonable explanation.


Seriously?

Talk about naive..... It's about power.[/quote]

No it's not, you're wrong.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/17 at 19:49:56

Obama
Said
He would acknowledge Jerusalem.
But didn't.
Bush, same thing.
The one eyed don't remember.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/07/17 at 22:09:35


223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
Obama
Said
He would acknowledge Jerusalem.
But didn't.
Bush, same thing.
The one eyed don't remember.


So did Slick......

Yeah, that was working, delayed implementation  ::)

But hey, Tweeter actually did it, OMG  :o

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/17 at 22:30:46

It was  good when Obama was gonna.
Comey should have been fired
Until Trump did it.
It's almost like dealing with dishonest people.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/07/17 at 23:11:46


584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
It was  good when Obama was gonna.
Comey should have been fired
Until Trump did it.
It's almost like dealing with dishonest people.


Maybe, but I think it’s more like trying to reason with a 2 year old....

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by eau de sauvage on 12/09/17 at 16:41:44

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/09/17 at 19:00:59


382A3E3D2A2C2E4B0 wrote:
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.


Yeah, but no matter what, that second hump is a real beetch, I dont care what kind of grease you use  :-[

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/09/17 at 21:21:27

the eye of the needle in the Bible?
The "eye of the needle" was a kind of narrow gate, into certain walled cities of Biblical times. To get the camel through the eye, one had to first unload it, walk the camel through, then bring the goods through the gate, to get into the city.

Difficult versus impossible

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by Trippah on 12/10/17 at 08:56:40

Aren't there camels with only one hump, Eau de Savage?

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by raydawg on 12/10/17 at 09:36:30


17312A3333222B430 wrote:
Aren't there camels with only one hump, Eau de Savage?


Yeah, or frustrated  ;)

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by Serowbot on 12/10/17 at 09:58:22


66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
the eye of the needle in the Bible?
The "eye of the needle" was a kind of narrow gate, into certain walled cities of Biblical times. To get the camel through the eye, one had to first unload it, walk the camel through, then bring the goods through the gate, to get into the city.

Difficult versus impossible


..."a needle",.. not "the Needle"... :-?
https://www.gotquestions.org/camel-eye-needle.html

Quote:
Some theorize that the needle Jesus was speaking of was the Needle Gate, supposedly a low and narrow after-hours entrance found in the wall surrounding Jerusalem. It was purposely small for security reasons, and a camel could only go through it by stripping off any saddles or packs and crawling through on its knees. The problem with this theory is there is no evidence such a gate ever existed. Beyond that, what sane camel driver would go through such contortions when larger gates were easily accessible?


Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/10/17 at 10:54:17

The poor of the USA live as the wealthy do on other nations so for this to be a valid teaching, each person must define what constitutes 'rich' and 'eye of the needle' for themselves.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/11/17 at 05:00:07


6375627F67727F64100 wrote:
Why?...
This ain't draining the swamp,.. it's setting fire to the world... :-?


Nothing burned. Why? A few half hearted marches and the usual emasculated liberal leaders crying, but other than that, not much. That's not to say The Religion of Peace isn't currently planning blowing up a bunch of kids or something like that, but the masses have been strangely quiet.

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/17 at 07:27:35

Who are we to tell someone which city is the capital of THEIR country?
- That's not our job, is it?
The whole thing is kinda screwed up.
The Balfour declaration and how Israel suddenly sprung into existence.
Gee, how could that have caused problems?

Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by T And T Garage on 12/11/17 at 14:05:35


0D3F38292E3F28173B28315A0 wrote:
[quote author=312F20212C312A37450 link=1512586060/15#25 date=1512696527][quote author=685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 link=1512586060/15#22 date=1512685257]Dude, so you actually believe that they (isis) are doing this based solely on their religion??

I see no other more reasonable explanation.


Seriously?

Talk about naive..... It's about power.[/quote]

No it's not, you're wrong.
[/quote]

Wow!  What a cogent, well put rebuttal!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Post by WebsterMark on 12/11/17 at 16:42:14

You're right, that was a good rebuttal.

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