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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/17 at 23:12:10

Title: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/17 at 23:12:10

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10312

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bot_phillips
on Dec 28, 2017 at 11:48 AM EDT
Brown University is now allowing prospective students to "self-identify" as people of color on their applications, evoking comparisons to Sen. Elizabeth Warren's claims of Native American ancestry.
Campus Reform visited Brown to see what students think of their school's new "Pocahontas Policy."

This year, Brown University applicants will have the opportunity to "self-identify" as people of color during the application process.
While the school says the policy change is intended to help students better describe their identity and background, some have questioned the ramifications of the move.
"I feel weird talking about this as...um...not a person of color. Um..." Tweet This

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/17 at 12:39:13

I see nobody wants to defend the Indefensible. I wonder how many applaud the direction.
I don't understand why they can't just declare, uhh, Identify, as college graduates and get a job. If we're gonna live in a fantasy world, go big.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by raydawg on 12/30/17 at 16:37:53

6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:

WRONG AGAIN BUCKO......

I am a African American Albino Lesbian.....

You?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/17 at 06:51:05

IDK about my heritage, but I'm comfortable with the lesbian identity.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/02/18 at 07:29:51

What are the ramifications?

I'm not looking for people complaining about Millenials and coming up with a list of middle-school name-calling (snowflakes), I mean actual problems that arise from someone checking a box on an application to one college.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/18 at 12:07:29

The ramifications? Living in an insane society..
Really, people, what is wrong with looking in the mirror, naked, and accepting what the lab report would say?
You ran the DNA?
Yeah, your suspect is a white male.

Ohhh, well, must not be that guy.
Really, why not?
Well, his college papers say he's a black guy,,

A white kid, raised by blacks, might be able to
Identify,,
But it's not possible to Identity as something you aren't and have no experience with .. Why would anyone pretend otherwise?
There's gotta be an age when even the most liberal parent starts pushing the kid to knock it off with the imaginary friend..
Living in delusion isn't okay.
It's deluded to pretend I'm a black guy. It's Frikken nuts.

Instead of
What are the ramifications?
How about
WHY? Where's the benefit?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Trippah on 01/02/18 at 13:22:32

Gee JOG, why don't we eliminate the line on the application? I think we should, it is defining people in ways not reasonable. That would end the pick student x so we meet a quota. Yeah. I like it. ;D

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/18 at 15:13:43

Why not an anonymous application, just a number and your gpa and the classes you want?

But that's not addressing the issue here.
This is about people who are unable to deal with obvious truths. How will they cope with the harsh realities of life if they can't even accept what they are? Are these people able to accept FACT and work with that? Can they assess a situation and devise an appropriate response
Or
Will they Declare things ARE what they really Aren't, and pretend their response will be the best approach?
It's a mental illness that needs to be called a mental illness and people who continue to make it their lifestyle to pretend what IS Not true is true need to experience the natural consequences of it. Anyone expressing such delusion when I was a young man would have been ostracized. Now they are embraced. It's a societal problem, now, thanks to
Tawlerunce.
They, the lefties who promote such idiocy, don't see how damaging this is in the long run.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/18 at 15:21:54

5B7B79716C7B1E0 wrote:

What are the ramifications? I'm not looking for people complaining about Millenials and coming up with a list of middle-school name-calling (snowflakes), I mean actual problems that arise from someone checking a box on an application to one college.

I believe one of them is:
A working person, will pay More in Taxes.
As the person, ‘Identifying with’, Such and Such,
will meet a Quota.
So therefore they will get a benefit, or subsidy, depending on the, ‘Quota’, that is to be met.
And you pay, and all other students pay, as Tuition goes higher.
(Don’t think they will know, how to scam the system?
Well then you want to buy those Ocean Lots In Iowa?)

Next, It is TEACHING, them to LIE !!!!!!!!!
Gee No harm in, Lying !!!!!!!!!
(So it’s OK here, so then it’s OK for the Rest of the thing I do in life)

Next I believe, it, REMOVES,
a Legitimate person, who Actually is a, _ _ _ _ _ _ _
From rightfully getting, the things they should.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/18 at 15:44:50

I guess expecting them to be ostracized is itself deluded, because the society they are in is also deluded and willing to accept others in Their delusion so that they, too, will be accepted.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/18 at 20:56:46

G]ender nonconforming” young people were found to be more than twice as likely to have psychological problems than those comfortable with their biological sex.
Naturally the moonbats conducting the study attribute this to “bullying and bias.” The solution is to “continue to educate”; i.e., to impose the LGBT agenda even more aggressively.

Hmmmm, psychological problems,,
I Wonder what That means..

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Trippah on 01/03/18 at 06:24:06

Ask the Donald what it means to lie constantly, I think it means you can be President of the USA. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/03/18 at 07:49:47

I don't believe that criminal prosecution would be hindered by a college application superseding DNA evidence.

I do see the point of utilizing the information to meet Affirmative Action style quotas. Is the college doing this or are we complaining about something that isn't actually happening?

I can't say for sure that "identifying" with some culture or gender is promoting lying by definition since the college doesn't use the application as a literal definition of the persons choice.

If I select that I identify as German Shepherd nobody will think I'm a dog.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by MnSpring on 01/03/18 at 08:54:14

“… meet Affirmative Action style quotas. Is the college doing this or are we complaining…”

Don’t know if all are. The one mentioned in the OP’ers, Post, is.
(According to the post & link)
If other, collages are doing/accepting, this,
and if the students believe, that their is a advantage to be gained.
I totally believe they, WILL do it.

“…I can't say for sure that "identifying" with some culture or gender is promoting lying by definition since the college doesn't use the application as a literal definition of the persons choice….”

Wait a min. Many years ago, I personally knew of two Males, who lived together. Each had their own bedroom, and each, Liked Girls, not Men. They both worked at the same company, they Both, paid H.I.
Then that company, said, If you were, ‘Partners’,
(Not married, M/F, was the goal, not M/M - F/F.
But they did NOT Specify, M/F, and exclude M/M - F/F. )
You could get cheaper insurance, if you Lived together, as if it was a legal marriage.
Suddenly, they were both, ‘gay’.
Which was a LIE, which by, ‘identifying’, as such, was a advantage.

Which dovetails with the, “…Is the college doing this…”.
If their is a advantage, it will be done.

“…If I select that I identify as German Shepherd nobody will think I’m a dog…”

LOLOL, Love it. You are right.
Even if one went to classes on all fours all the time, And jumped on people, and licked them in the face.
They would just think they are really weird, but Not a Dog.

Unless, their, ‘Identifying’ as a, Color, Race, Gender, Sexual preference, or etc.
would be a Advantage. It will be done. And will harm.
By providing the Lier, with special privileges.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/18 at 09:17:28

Wow,
Who doing it?
Brown university

Who said anything about it screwing up investigations?
It's DELUDED to pretend to be what you aren't.
And what's up with the uproar over
Cultural Appropriation on one hand
And the pretense that you Are some other race than you are? How is that okay?

No, E, nobody will be confused or think you're a dog.
Just an two legged idiot.

And WHY would anyone encourage such behavior?
How does it benefit anyone?
And the downsides I listed weren't addressed.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/03/18 at 10:09:56

"Suddenly, they were both, ‘gay’.
Which was a LIE, which by, ‘identifying’, as such, was a advantage."

Yes its a lie as they misrepresented their relationship to an insurance company that accepted it as truth. If a college lets people "identify" as another race or gender, but does not accept that the identifier is fact, then they aren't lying. They aren't accepting the facts of their life but the check box on the application doesn't infer truth.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/03/18 at 10:24:19

"Really, people, what is wrong with looking in the mirror, naked, and accepting what the lab report would say?
You ran the DNA?
Yeah, your suspect is a white male.

Ohhh, well, must not be that guy.
Really, why not?
Well, his college papers say he's a black guy,, "

The above statement utilized the word "suspect" so I assumed an investigation would be in place for a criminal act. Especially if DNA is being used, but to be fair one could be a suspect in non-criminal activity. However I do not think anyone would choose a college application as evidence to a person's race over their DNA results as was indicated above.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/18 at 11:08:20

You're not easy to talk to.

I was saying that the person looking in the mirror
Choosing to pretend he's NOT what the mirror says he is can pretend whatever he wants,
But,
Should his D.N.A. wind up in an investigation
The TRUTH of who he is will be Right There on the print out.

How did it get so turned around?
I don't remember saying anything about the effects of the lie on other people.
It's the effects of living in a state of delusion, wrecking the idiots who are pretending they are something they aren't. That does spill over into society, but nobody is stupid enough to look at a black man dressed up in a miniskirt and a blonde wig who
Identifies as a white woman and believes that he actually is.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/04/18 at 08:26:39

I misinterpreted what you typed.

I believe we are seeing this from two different angles, I don't think it matters what is checked on an application as long as the physical facts are observable.

I may matter if there's a measurable consequence and not a theorized one. If there's supporting evidence that's not opinion I'd like to look at it.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by MnSpring on 01/04/18 at 12:04:22

“…I don’t think it matters what is checked on an application…”

OK, I’ll check the, ‘YES’, box, on a Job application,
where it asks: “Do know how to do his Job”.
(Even though, I don’t know how)
When the, “…the physical facts…”
are Not,
“… observable…”

Because I have learned,
and been taught.
I can do anything I want,
I can say anything I want,
I can check any box I want.
I have NO, responsibility, for ANYTHING, I do.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/18 at 12:33:09

Explain the benefit to all involved by saying you're what you aren't.

Why do that?
At best it's pointless.
I explained why I call it a bad idea.

Explain why it's a good idea.

Not just shrug and pretend that without empirical evidence to prove it is a bad idea that you should just accept it.

Why so quick to embrace the insane and wait for the damage?
It's NUTS to believe that a person
Identifies
As something that they Are Not. Seriously, it's a mental illness if they do and a mental illness to believe otherwise.

How is it
Possible
To IDENTIFY as something OTHER than what you ARE?

How old were they when they figured it out?

What event precipitated the break with the obvious truth ?

And if it's Bad and
Cultural Appropriation for a white guy to have Taco Tuesday,
How in God's name is it okay to suddenly

BE BLACK?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/18 at 13:57:27

it's Bad and
Cultural Appropriation for a white guy to have Taco Tuesday,
How in God's name is it okay to suddenly

BE BLACK?

Yeah, I'll bet that's a tough one..

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/18 at 16:35:11

Sorry, I didn't intend to cause pain.
But you can't have both sides.
Where are the clever retorts now?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/18 at 18:47:51

YOU pompous Jakkasses.
You get Shown you're wrong headed and Never Admit it.
And you come back yammering about crap, as IF you're always right.

How about you never say
Cultural Appropriation
Again?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 05:35:25

JOG, You made 4 comments in 6 hours 14 minutes. People sleep, not sit on these forums all day and night. What is an acceptable time frame for you to get a response to a question you pose on here?

"How is it
Possible
To IDENTIFY as something OTHER than what you ARE?"

I don't know. I need to know what "identify" is considered by the organization placing it on the application. What are the parameters for accepting that information? When people start checking those boxes why are they doing it? Run a survey, collate date, investigate, analyze and re-run the material.

I don't think this check box at one college is going to make people "BE BLACK"

All I am saying is I don't know enough about how this check box will alter society, or the culture at that one college or if it wont have any influence. However I do not believe it will override DNA evidence or make other people think one is a different gender or race based off the application if the observable data is different.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 05:36:07

What, you haven't replied yet?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/18 at 08:19:08

don't know. I need to know what "identify" is considered by the organization placing it on the application. What are the parameters for accepting that information? When people start checking those boxes why are they doing it? Run a survey, collate date, investigate, analyze and re-run the materia..

I would strongly expect
Identify as
To mean
I AM

And the cultural appropriation issue?
What are the parameters for accepting that information?

Huhh?

When people start checking those boxes why are they doing it?

No kidding.. why is a good question ,,
Why is it there is another question.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by verslagen1 on 01/05/18 at 08:56:57

Those boxes don't mean crap unless you're a future political opponent.

If you're a minority, you have to file another form to get affirmative action. That's where they'll scrutinize the 'boxes' more closely.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 16:29:09

"If you're a minority, you have to file another form to get affirmative action. That's where they'll scrutinize the 'boxes' more closely."

That's pretty much what I am thinking. This is one application at one college and I don't see anything about that application having influence elsewhere.

That application doesn't change anything about how that individual is interpreted by the people around them as far as I can tell, but its new so we don't know what the effects might be. I don't think it will change how people analyze one's gender or race.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 16:36:01

Oh yeah and as far as "cultural appropriation" goes it is in my assessment only applicable if, in this case, the college utilizes the mainstream terms of that definition.

For instance cultural appropriation doesn't exist at my company, so checking a box with identifying terms means nothing and warrants no consequence.

Its only applicable by choice from what I can tell.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by raydawg on 01/05/18 at 16:36:29

6D4D4F475A4D280 wrote:

Look, why can you not see the obvious?

IF.......you can be identified by checking your box, THEN, that makes you a GIRL.

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 16:46:08

I am under the impression that the "girl" box for "identify as" is personal.

Everyone else will see a man, your gender is male biologically, you are a male student, can participate in male sports, can be in male fraternities. You can not be in female dorms, be in sororities, apply for female scholarships or play female sports.

Is the college saying they will categorize applicants based off of chosen identity? You identify as female and can bunk in a female dorm?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by raydawg on 01/05/18 at 16:58:13

032321293423460 wrote:

No, that is NOT what it is saying.....

I don't care how square your peg is, if the box has a lid on it, you ain't never going to get in to it......!

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 22:04:32

What is it saying?

How are they using that information?

Title: Re: True believers in Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/18 at 22:11:44

That's a daggum good question.
How is that useful?