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Title: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/18 at 00:18:06 Disney announces a one-time cash bonus of $1,000 for over 125,000 employees. The company will also make a $50 million investment into a new employee education program. Both initiatives are a result of the recent tax reform. How many more do you need? |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/24/18 at 09:53:07 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
Why not state the question as such? Who can count to the end of infinity? |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by Trippah on 01/24/18 at 10:43:21 Which is a small bit of the monies not paid in taxes, guess who will have to make up the difference. It wont be mice. ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh wait, for 8 years we have heard all about the deficit, thank heavens that no longer is a problem. ;) |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by Serowbot on 01/24/18 at 10:49:27 A trillion in tax cuts, and they trickle a couple of billion down on the proles... Good PR,.. nothing more... |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/18 at 10:54:03 I don't expect to see everything balance out in just a few years, but without exports, the trade balance will always be imbalanced. By changing the taxes and renegotiating the trade deals that certainly did coincide with the downturn of prosperity for the people, we will begin to turn that around. Like cleaning out and reorganizing a closet, the first step makes it worse. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/24/18 at 10:55:42 6573647961747962160 wrote:
As opposed to? Lets hear your ideas, more, less, what? Do you have any solutions to problems, or just nay say? Everybody in the same boat, period, is that it? |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/18 at 11:15:10 7761766B73666B70040 wrote:
Real wealth stopped growing for the average person in the seventies. Everyone knows that. The government has been jacking with taxes for a long time. And you are better off because of the high taxes? Or does it just piss you off that a company is suddenly unburdened by confiscatory taxes? If you won't read then at Least learn from what you are seeing. Jobs coming back. Obama said it was impossible, remember? HE WAS WRONG. Learn from it. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/24/18 at 13:45:12 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
Real wealth stopped growing for the average person in the seventies. Everyone knows that. The government has been jacking with taxes for a long time. And you are better off because of the high taxes? Or does it just piss you off that a company is suddenly unburdened by confiscatory taxes? If you won't read then at Least learn from what you are seeing. Jobs coming back. Obama said it was impossible, remember? HE WAS WRONG. Learn from it. [/quote] JOG's word of the day = confiscatory and what jobs are coming back? not saying you're wrong, just I haven't heard of any.. oh wait, here's an article from 2016, way before Trump was the official nominee, that says jobs are coming back https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/04/23/24-7-wallst-economy-manufacturers-jobs-outsourcing/83406518/ Here's an article from 2015 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-flips-the-script-on-jobs-reshoring-finally-outpaced-offshoring-in-2014-2015-05-01 ooooo and another one from 2015 https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2015/02/02/why-its-time-to-bring-manufacturing-back-home-to-the-u-s/#69f8c32d14c3 uh oh, 2014 even! https://www.forbes.com/sites/allbusiness/2014/02/27/trickle-of-jobs-returning-to-u-s-shores-could-soon-become-a-torrent/#5ed9a1541a8e thanks Obama! now to be fair, yes businesses do like Trump better, after all, Trump is doing everything they want, deregulation, rewarding them even more via tax cuts (I'm not even opposed to the corporate tax cuts, I'm opposed to how they are being paid for via taking tax deductions from the ordinary citizens and deficit spending, but the idea is good) and it is WAY too early to be giving Trump all the praise for everything positive that's happened business wise, sure, he gets some credit, but he didn't built that ;) |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/24/18 at 14:19:01 You give obama credit? What did he do exactly? I think a president can effect it somewhat, but if it was as simple as saying a president wants jobs and a good economy, then you would have to be a real stupid to do anything otherwise. Timing plays a BIG factor. I think the joke is all the liberal rags and prognosticators said if Tweeter was elected it would tank, a real gloom and doom prediction. That is the story, accept it or not. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/24/18 at 14:25:37 77647C61647262050 wrote:
the other joke is that all the conservative rags and prognosticators say that Trump is causing it all and it's all roses and chocolate. that's the story, accept it or not. companies made record profit under Obama, and they've CONTINUED to do so under Trump. Trump didn't start in a great recession either. Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession. I'm not praising either man, just acknowledging the realities of timing as you said. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/18 at 14:31:02 Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession. AND yet, not even one quarter of 3% growth. Stellar. Say what you will, the tax cuts have affected the economy, positively and it's already seen and felt by John Q. Public. If anyone is unaware of the companies Bringing cash home and building plants it's because they are up CNN's butt so far they know nothing about what is really going on. Look at Apple. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/24/18 at 14:41:26 4A637E61697E607540637F784D7E78657F780C0 wrote:
the other joke is that all the conservative rags and prognosticators say that Trump is causing it all and it's all roses and chocolate. that's the story, accept it or not. companies made record profit under Obama, and they've CONTINUED to do so under Trump. Trump didn't start in a great recession either. Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession. I'm not praising either man, just acknowledging the realities of timing as you said. [/quote] Obama inherentled a real screwed up economy, absolutely, yet no one wanted to look at the possible why? You argue the the conservative rags give Trump credit, then you have to (and I think you did) accept the fact the left bent media plays the same card. It’s up to US to not play their game because only they benifit with their ploy, as in, tune in tomorrow for “ As the World Turns “ |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/24/18 at 15:00:30 63706875706676110 wrote:
the other joke is that all the conservative rags and prognosticators say that Trump is causing it all and it's all roses and chocolate. that's the story, accept it or not. companies made record profit under Obama, and they've CONTINUED to do so under Trump. Trump didn't start in a great recession either. Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession. I'm not praising either man, just acknowledging the realities of timing as you said. [/quote] Obama inherentled a real screwed up economy, absolutely, yet no one wanted to look at the possible why? You argue the the conservative rags give Trump credit, then you have to (and I think you did) accept the fact the left bent media plays the same card. It’s up to US to not play their game because only they benifit with their ploy, as in, tune in tomorrow for “ As the World Turns “ [/quote] you're right, I did admit and accept that there is a left wing media that is trying to make Trump fail and look like a fool (not really that hard with the fool part) I'm quite aware of bias in the media, it happens on BOTH sides, I do find one side (the left) to be more light hearted than the other and less gloom and doom and fear based, that doesn't make them any less biased, but a lot more pleasant to deal with. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/24/18 at 19:15:04 A bit more pleasant, well that is your perception.... I see the ugliness and it roost in both parties/beliefs. Berkeley being a good example, and the news outlets and Hollywood sitting on sexual harassment problems for years, while chiding and accusing the right.... Their judgement just as hateful as a evangelical killing a abortion doctor... Blacklisting folks who believe otherwise, etc. I find them both complicit and just as guilty of the same charge they level against those they hate. I sometimes think I am just wasting my time giving it any attention at all, but that is solely on me, I blame no one for my choices. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/25/18 at 08:23:15 352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:
actually, Obama had many quarters over 3% growth https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/ some as high as 5.2% growth, and that's just from 2011 to 2017 now annually, you are correct, no 3% growth annually from Obama and being part of John Q. Public, I'll admit, I believe, but I'd have to do math to figure it out for sure and that's not going to happen, that I've benefited from the tax cuts, I had my hours cut this year and I think the impact has been reduced due to the tax cuts, I thought I'd loose about $75 per check, but I actually only lose about $45 per check (biweekly) but there are a lot of factors that play into that, I have a lot of pre-tax expenses, healthcare, 401k, other benefits... so I don't know how all that played into my actual take home pay. and you still failed to answer the question. Apple's been playing with the idea of building the iPhone in the USA for at least 5 years now, I've heard Ford might be bringing a plant to the USA that was scheduled for Mexico, not sure why I think that though. notice how when I argue, I provide links to exterior sources that back up what I say, while you just say I'm stupid for not believing you. so step it up a bit will ya, no wonder people here don't trust you or want to talk to you |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/25/18 at 08:28:37 66756D70756373140 wrote:
the extremes on both sides are extreme. being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/25/18 at 10:02:17 1F362B343C2B352015362A2D182B2D302A2D590 wrote:
the extremes on both sides are extreme. being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can. [/quote] Yeah, I can understand that. I was absolutely blown away when I had this very old and dear friend, who happened to be Black, tell me of his experiences while driving from California, down to the South. As a white dude it was really hard to wrap an understanding around it, why folks would do such things to another human being because of the color of their skin. It really is amazing what ignorance and hate can produce in people. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/25/18 at 10:16:11 44574F52574151360 wrote:
the extremes on both sides are extreme. being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can. [/quote] Yeah, I can understand that. I was absolutely blown away when I had this very old and dear friend, who happened to be Black, tell me of his experiences while driving from California, down to the South. As a white dude it was really hard to wrap an understanding around it, why folks would do such things to another human being because of the color of their skin. It really is amazing what ignorance and hate can produce in people. [/quote] have you ever heard of the little green book black people used to use to travel the USA, it was a necessity for them up until the late 70's at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/25/18 at 10:39:32 7F564B545C4B554075564A4D784B4D504A4D390 wrote:
the extremes on both sides are extreme. being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can. [/quote] Yeah, I can understand that. I was absolutely blown away when I had this very old and dear friend, who happened to be Black, tell me of his experiences while driving from California, down to the South. As a white dude it was really hard to wrap an understanding around it, why folks would do such things to another human being because of the color of their skin. It really is amazing what ignorance and hate can produce in people. [/quote] have you ever heard of the little green book black people used to use to travel the USA, it was a necessity for them up until the late 70's at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book[/quote] Not sure I even want to know :-[ I know I have not had it so bad, so my perspective really isn't based on another mans shoes, however, that can be said about anybody. Do I need to be a whipped slave, to have empathy? Do I have to reveal scars and say, "LOOK!" Will man always try to hold other men accountable for mankind's ugliness? Don't we trap ourselves into the very thinking, that we find so abhorrent in others, that often still leads to more ugliness when it festers and finally erupts? Does mankind have the capacity to forgive and move on, therefor freeing themselves of having to harbor memories that destroy the moment? Who shall I hold accountable for my thoughts, you, or me? Can you give to me that of which I don't give myself? Seems the choice is that of slavery, or free will............ Who holds my freedom? |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/18 at 11:38:27 Those evil,greedy people.. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/25/home-depot-awards-1000-bonuses-hourly-workers-due-/ |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/25/18 at 12:02:01 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
they could have done that at any time, but they waited for a deficit spending tax cut to do it, so our taxes are paying for their bonuses. We should all send them a "you're welcome" card to match JOG's snark |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/18 at 16:38:42 I've seen you say things that make me think you're smarter than that. Are you Really unable to see what dropping taxes on people does? It's Right here in front of us. Why is Apple coming back and paying the Minimal tax on BILLIONS, and building new factories? All these companies have been holding out until they have a political statement to make? You don't Know what effect on the deficit the tax law will have. Did those forecasts include the BILLIONS in taxes Apple paid? What about the increased economic activity? What about the increased EXPORTS? I'm calling Bullshit on the negative impact of the tax code change. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/26/18 at 10:30:57 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
unlike you, who is desperate to prove yourself right, I'm willing to wait and see. if these tax cuts were funded by spending cuts, then sure, all gravy, but they aren't or at least weren't proposed to be, the CBO and independent studies have said they add $1.5 TRILLION to the debt. well, that's a handout, that's US taxpayers handing money to big corporations and the rich and to each other. This is more or less just a targeted Stimulus package like Obama passed, but twice as big and aimed towards corporations instead of infrastructure. This might be a better way, but it's still deficit spending until it isn't and there's no way to tell when or if that's going to happen. Also in a $19 TRILLION dollar gdp economy, these bonuses are rather inconsequential, sure they are great for the people getting them and they might boost a little economic activity for a blink of an eye. Compare this to the Bush stimulus where taxpayers directly received at least $600 from the government directly, $168 Billion dollar government expense, guess what, didn't do much, and that was $168 BILLION, all the bonuses combined haven't even come close to that yet. wait and see |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/18 at 10:56:04 to the Bush stimulus where taxpayers directly received at least $600 from the government directly, $168 Billion dollar government expense, guess what, didn't do much, and that w I've considered that and decided it's not even in the same ballpark. His idea was a bad idea. This tax cut has brought billions home, which may contribute to inflation and eventually pain, but corporate interests are promising infrastructure and jobs, so yeah, it's a wait and see thing, but I am seeing reason to expect it to be good for everyone, especially if the trade deals are renegotiated in a sane manner. The trade deals were economic suicide. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by MnSpring on 01/26/18 at 11:30:44 456C716E66716F7A4F6C70774271776A7077030 wrote:
This has been said before by many, and in many ways, yet it bears repeating. In my opinion. Let’s say: Your Grossly Overweight, You Drink to much, You Smoke 3 packs a day, You only eat at Fast Food places. You go to a doctor one day. Which doctor would you prefer. One says: Your Fat, Your Drunk, You smoke way to much, and your diet is atrocious. Those things Must Change, if you want to live a good life. So Here is what we are going to do: (then outlines a plan) Next one says: Well we can give you pills for all those things, they will make you feel better. then come back every month and see me again, and I will give you more pills, that will make you feel better. I’m thinking, the Citizens of this Nation, voted for the 1st described Doctor, cause they had enough of the 2nd described doctor. And maybe they don’t like the brunt way the first doctor talks. Yet they will accept that, ‘bluntness’, because they KNOW, ‘’Take two pills and call me in the morning” Does NOT Work. |
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Title: Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right? Post by raydawg on 01/26/18 at 12:22:59 I like that..... You take the teachers desk, I will move to your old spot in the front row ;D I have shared this before, I bet no one even looked it up. Without me going into my testimony again, as frankly, I'm getting tired of sharing it.... ;D ;D ;D The book: The Four Agreements. Which are 4 agreements you make with YOURSELF.... Here is a link to it with reviews on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/The-Four-Agreements/dp/B0007OB40E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1516997305&sr=8-1&keywords=the+4+agreement Ok, a little bit of testimony..... It was given to me when I was about out of life. All that I was told to believe wasn't providing me with a sustainable life. Think about it.... When you rely on others, to provide and direct you, you really are only an extension of them. That might not be who you ARE! However, to even question that, leaves you prone to doubting yourself, and the guilt associated with it. I had to break that cycle of learned behavior. Doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting different results ( sorta like I do posting on this forum :-/ ) is INSANITY This book can be a great tool, If, you are ready to be honest for change in your life...... I have given away copies and to see others helped by it, helps me, to keep its practice in place. Its not a do it, and done, thing, its a life time of work, change..... Forward, only to fall backwards, but even that is of great value, if you keep its message to heart. Ok, I'm done :-* |
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