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Title: A possibility? Post by raydawg on 01/26/18 at 14:30:08 Would like to hear some input, Jog, Lost, Trippah? The question: Do you think a repair, or needed influence, to our current politico and social/media landscape could/might benefit from a Masonic/Freemason movement? Yes, or no....... why ;) |
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Title: Re: A possibility? Post by Trippah on 01/26/18 at 16:21:39 Naw, they were a Protestant only join by referral club that did , especially through the women's auxillery The Eastern Star, a lot of social good. But, that middle class is gone, their piece of the pie so small they can't even help themselves. ps, my ancestors were active and I have about 20 various Masonic pins they earned through their good works. Not particulary active in media etc, but did hold their members to a code. Can't recruit as, too many people are working two jobs to get bye and can't afford the money or time..... |
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Title: Re: A possibility? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/18 at 16:29:04 57445C41445242250 wrote:
The masons are citizens and you might find a helpful suggestion or maybe not. Any group could offer good ideas or crap ideas. |
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Title: Re: A possibility? Post by raydawg on 01/26/18 at 16:46:49 47617A6363727B130 wrote:
My understanding was when it started to adopt a more Christianity lean was when it started to limit its possibility. I think this was similar to the thinking of the founding fathers as to why religion can not be state based, you think? |
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Title: Re: A possibility? Post by raydawg on 01/26/18 at 16:48:19 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
The masons are citizens and you might find a helpful suggestion or maybe not. Any group could offer good ideas or crap ideas. [/quote] That is so deep buddy, THANKS! ;) |
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Title: Re: A possibility? Post by Trippah on 01/26/18 at 18:23:56 The Founding fathers did not want a state sanctioned religion; the Masonic Order required you to believe in God, without specifying which one. I suppose it would allow Catholic (The Holy Roman Church) but at least in practice in my very limited experience, declined to offer membership to Catholics. It might well have been a response to the Knights of Columbus for all I know.... So to be clear, the Founding Fathers wanted people who believe in God and were religious, a philosophical common ground on which to base their political ideology. The Masons also. They (the founding fathers) simply, based on their experience in Europe, did NOT want to get into a formal state religion. ie England's the Church of England, France and the Holy Roman Church. etc |
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Title: Re: A possibility? Post by raydawg on 01/26/18 at 19:00:05 00263D2424353C540 wrote:
So, it appears they wanted a “god” for a purpose, yes? Would that be for the benefit of anchoring a belief based on a common moral law, from where they can lay a foundation to their laws? As a rummy, and having done the 12 steps, and having sponsored others through the program, it is “almost” a absolute given that without surrendering your “will” to something other than yourself, your chances at sobriety are almost nonexistent. Can some find a life without booze, yes, but they seem to carry a chip on their shoulders. We call them, dry drunks. Oh well, I think I am getting too far off topic, perhaps. Let me ask you then, how do you anchor a society to a common cause? Don’t you think a common thread is needed to keep all its citizens joined? Simple “morality” is subjective, depending on who believes they are moral, yes, and how much power they hold...??? |
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