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Title: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/28/18 at 10:11:45 And, we are on the eve of destruction....... still. Have you ever noticed how many folks visit Suzuki Savage Forms...... And how many post/visit the tall table room? Does that give you pause? The eastern world, it is explodin', Violence flarin', bullets loadin', You're old enough to kill but not for votin', You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin', And even the Jordan river has bodies floatin', But you tell me over and over and over again my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say? And can't you feel the fears I'm feeling today? If the button is pushed, there's no running away, There'll be no one to save with the world in a grave, Take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy, And you tell me over and over and over again my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin', I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin', I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation, Handful of Senators don't pass legislation, And marches alone can't bring integration, When human respect is disintegratin', This whole crazy world is just too frustratin', And you tell me over and over and over again my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Think of all the hate there is in Red China! Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama! Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space, But when your return, it's the same old place, The poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace, You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace, Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace, And you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend, You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Writer/s: P. F. SLOAN, STEVE BARRI Publisher: Universal Music Publishing Group Lyrics licensed and provided by LyricFind |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by Trippah on 01/28/18 at 19:18:31 Bullseye. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/18 at 20:05:49 Who's gonna toss the first one? Nobody. Being a nuclear weapons armed country is just a deterrent. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 09:07:21 17312A3333222B430 wrote:
I think the question is: What drives fear, and why? What do the purveyors of fear accomplish? 1965 this song was penned in one night. We are told we are on the eve of destruction. We have been through many different administrations since then, both Democrat and Republican. Both parties had majorities and could have addressed these concerns. Its 2018, we are still on the eve of destruction. I remember years ago hearing the story a man had designed a carburetor that would turn engines into machines that could get 100 miles per gallon, or something to that effect. But he was bought out, or killed, because the oil industry made too much money the way it was. Or that a doctor had found a cure for cancer, but they silenced him, killed him, etc, because cancer is big business. Anyone here want to even reflect deeply into why they believe why they do? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 09:14:59 Fear? What's fear? Is looking at a policy and seeing how stupid and injurious it is fear? Or smart? Do we, as a nation, have enough babies to maintain the population? I don't think so, since the Cost of having a child got so high and we abort so many. Does that mean we should allow just anyone who can get across the border to stay? No. Is it Fear to want border and immigration control or just good sense? Do you have a door on your house? Do you control it? Are you living in fear Or just using good sense? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by Serowbot on 01/29/18 at 09:21:55 It would have to be a crazy person... Check that box... :-? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 09:38:19 Let’s try it this way Jog, I “fear” you are standing to close to the tree to see the forest...... It’s teach a man to fish, not tell, and he will be able to enjoy the fruit of his labor.... At that point it’s up to him to pick up his pole, or to stand on the street corner with his homeless Vet sign. Doors have many uses, keep things in, like kids and heat, keeps things out like critters and cold. I haven’t seen one yet listing it’s ability to keep out thugs, like it does with R factor rating, but using fear, maybe they might try that.... I favor dialogue, all of it, even the ugly topics, I believe any censorship based on morality or political correctness is just a tactic deployed under a guise to circumvent real debate. Two examples would be evolution and global warming. Neither appreciate open challenge to its premise, opting to deflect and assign inferiority character to those challenging it. Truth will always stand to its own accord, even if the popular belief runs against it. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/29/18 at 09:45:26 Fear? go find the doomsday clock. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 09:57:34 3F2C3B3A25282E2C2778490 wrote:
Exactly..... This is so me...... A true story. I work building planes, remember. Air crashes get our attention. Every part of that build you actually do on that plane you buy, in other words, you certify it was built by the plans the FAA certificate granted. If a plane crashes because of something I did wrong, it will be known from the reconstruction of it. Anyway, the question is, “ If you are on a plane, it’s going to crash, you got a couple of minutes until it does, what would you do?” I jokingly said throw myself in the prettiest woman.... Heck, that’s better than Tweeter ;D Anyway, the real question is, what would you do differently if you knew the exact time and date of your death? Isn’t that the thrust of the doomsday clock, fear? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 10:59:02 Nothing WRONG with fear. If you're not fearful in some situations, you're nuts. Avoiding the moment when Fear grabs your heart is what keeps us alive. The Word is misused by accusers, people who pretend that decisions that are rationally explained are somehow immoral because they are actually a choice made out of Fear. Why go to work? Are you AFRAID of poverty? Why control the border? Are you AFRAID of people who don't look like you? How about It's Frikken STUPID to not control the border. If it's not, then you take the door off of your house. It's not just about safety, it's about the economics. How many People can You feed? Cities are not more able to provide than you are. If you have twenty bucks to help people with, and every neighbor in the city has twenty bucks for aid, then you can calculate the number of people who CAN BE HELPED. If you're not safer with the door than without, you probably don't need to wear a helmet, either. Helmets don't protect from high enough impacts, and doors won't stop a focussed attack, but I think the history of crime shows doors are a deterrent. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 11:13:26 I will agree context is a very important element in determining proper use of fear. You win that argument, but loose the one about my front door ;D |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/29/18 at 11:59:37 4B58405D584E5E390 wrote:
Is that because you have a moat? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 11:59:59 You just don't understand the analogy. If it's unreasonable to believe that a Household can survive economically if the Property Owner can't control the number of mouths it must feed and bodies it must clothe and care for, then how can a nation? Everything is Finite. Just Wanting to be able to provide for others doesn't make it a reality. Unless the jobs exist to allow people to provide for themselves, they are forced to become burdens on society. It doesn't matter where they are from or what they Would choose, just like in the inner cities where Opportunity is lacking, they are unable to provide for themselves. It's not Hate, or Fear. It's just economic Reality. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 12:15:46 5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 wrote:
Is that because you have a moat?[/quote] You better leave California soon, you is too clever for those heathens, they are sure to tar and feather you once they come to find a wizened person lives within their boarder |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 12:16:12 54475F42475141260 wrote:
it gives me hope. they are smart to not post of visit here, they want to relate to other people through their SHARED hobby, not stab at each other because of differences of thought (I'm guilty of this, just did it matter of fact) |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 12:17:32 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
If it’s that dire, for them, we owe it to mankind to assist them in their homelands |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 12:24:44 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
seeing a policy if flawed and then logically explaining why you believe so is fine. fear is when you start using hyperbole and analogies to explain how terrible the policy is, instead of discussing the issue, you call it names. I have a door and lock on my house because I'm AFRAID my stuff will get stolen, not because I'm afraid someone will be there when I get back. I believe our current immigration laws could be enforced better. I do not believe that we need to change them to keep more people out. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" We are not a great country because we only take the best, we are a great country because we strive to elevate the worst. that is the American Ideal |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 12:31:42 IDEALS are great. Economic reality is what Wise people operate on. Setting national policy based on what some poet wrote Might not be that bright. The Door thing is an ANALOGY. what YOU personally are concerned with isn't part of the Concept. If you Do find people in your house who you Now must care for because you've been careless about how you control the number of people who live in your house, then your family's standard of living goes down It's just economic law. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 12:37:56 Lost, you bring up a verse heralding it’s greatness that is time sensitive in context, as is the 14th amendment, as the 2nd, re: right to bear arms.... Times change, our thinking should as such. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 12:56:39 40534B56534555320 wrote:
should I let you figure out why that's a tad racist???? or do I need to explain it to you? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 13:00:48 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
so wise people don't operate based on their ideals? really? so wise people have no integrity then? so next time I hear people spout off about how smart and wise Trump is, I should just remember that he doesn't have any ideals then. got it. but what YOU personally believe is part of the concept huh? You believe they are bringing crime, drugs and rape and murder here, despite the stats and facts that they aren't doing any of those things anymore than anyone else already here does them. You're afraid of losing "your" country to them? but are okay losing it to "better qualified" immigrants.... idk, I think you have a harder time being consistent with your ideals than I do with mine, and that's a problem, for you |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/29/18 at 13:58:15 0B223F20283F213401223E390C3F39243E394D0 wrote:
should I let you figure out why that's a tad racist???? or do I need to explain it to you? [/quote] Please enlighten me |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 14:44:06 58716C737B6C726752716D6A5F6C6A776D6A1E0 wrote:
so wise people don't operate based on their ideals? really? so wise people have no integrity then? so next time I hear people spout off about how smart and wise Trump is, I should just remember that he doesn't have any ideals then. got it. but what YOU personally believe is part of the concept huh? You believe they are bringing crime, drugs and rape and murder here, despite the stats and facts that they aren't doing any of those things anymore than anyone else already here does them. You're afraid of losing "your" country to them? but are okay losing it to "better qualified" immigrants.... idk, I think you have a harder time being consistent with your ideals than I do with mine, and that's a problem, for you[/quote] I have MY ideals and of course I live accordingly. I DON'T allow some poet to outline, For ME, what I believe to be Workable ideals. Your assertion that the illegal immigrants are no more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned are interesting. Please show me what you based that on. If you want to assemble a team, do you walk down the street and grab the first people you see or do you hunt the most QUALIFIED you can find? How do you expect America to be the place where you want to be If America is made up of people who don't have the desire and ability to be a productive member of that team? Did you miss the part where I SAID I believe immigration is necessary? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by T And T Garage on 01/29/18 at 15:25:28 042D302F27302E3B0E2D31360330362B3136420 wrote:
seeing a policy if flawed and then logically explaining why you believe so is fine. fear is when you start using hyperbole and analogies to explain how terrible the policy is, instead of discussing the issue, you call it names. I have a door and lock on my house because I'm AFRAID my stuff will get stolen, not because I'm afraid someone will be there when I get back. I believe our current immigration laws could be enforced better. I do not believe that we need to change them to keep more people out. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" We are not a great country because we only take the best, we are a great country because we strive to elevate the worst. that is the American Ideal[/quote] Well put! |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 15:38:22 Why not VET the people who want in? If they have the ability to Be brought into the fold and show a willingness, fine. You're moving the goalposts. Did you miss the part where I SAID I believe immigration is necessary? Only addressing the part you want and ignoring the rest is disingenuous. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 16:06:27 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
if I ignore the rest, that means I don't have any response to it or don't see anything wrong with that part... how exactly do you want me to address that? do you want a cookie for those points? :P um,I thought they were vetted, there is red tape to get into this nation, it's not an easy pass. I mean legal immigration not illegal. There are requirements for visas, etc... if you want to talk about what those should be, you'll have to list what the current ones are cause I'm not really all that familiar with them, but they do exist, so some vetting is happening |
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Title: Re: 1965.........y Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 16:24:13 So you Did miss the part about immigration being necessary. This Whole Topic is about NOT controlling the Borders and Not forcing the immigrants Through the Vetting process of Legal Immigration. It's About Illegal Immigrants. Legal immigrants knock on the door, and get the door opened to them. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 16:26:06 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
so wise people don't operate based on their ideals? really? so wise people have no integrity then? so next time I hear people spout off about how smart and wise Trump is, I should just remember that he doesn't have any ideals then. got it. but what YOU personally believe is part of the concept huh? You believe they are bringing crime, drugs and rape and murder here, despite the stats and facts that they aren't doing any of those things anymore than anyone else already here does them. You're afraid of losing "your" country to them? but are okay losing it to "better qualified" immigrants.... idk, I think you have a harder time being consistent with your ideals than I do with mine, and that's a problem, for you[/quote] I have MY ideals and of course I live accordingly. I DON'T allow some poet to outline, For ME, what I believe to be Workable ideals. Your assertion that the illegal immigrants are no more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned are interesting. Please show me what you based that on. If you want to assemble a team, do you walk down the street and grab the first people you see or do you hunt the most QUALIFIED you can find? How do you expect America to be the place where you want to be If America is made up of people who don't have the desire and ability to be a productive member of that team? Did you miss the part where I SAID I believe immigration is necessary? [/quote] one source: http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/ another: https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-illegal-immigration-but-didnt-know-who-to-ask/ another: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sr_022107.pdf another: http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens I could go on, but I could also find a bunch that say the opposite, but they were all from clearly biased sites, Fox, Heritage, Washington Times, etc.... but you might say that the sources I provided are liberal sources, but they do cite some actual peered reviewed studies and articles. and the articles that say illegals commit more crime are much shorter and sometimes refer back to other biased sites, etc.. they feel more agenda driven, to me anyway. what team are you assembling??? Team 'MERICA! F-YEAH! and it depends on what that "team" is doing? picking apples, oranges, peaches etc..... you want them to have a ph.d for that? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 18:11:36 5079647B73647A6F5A7965625764627F6562160 wrote:
so wise people don't operate based on their ideals? really? so wise people have no integrity then? so next time I hear people spout off about how smart and wise Trump is, I should just remember that he doesn't have any ideals then. got it. but what YOU personally believe is part of the concept huh? You believe they are bringing crime, drugs and rape and murder here, despite the stats and facts that they aren't doing any of those things anymore than anyone else already here does them. You're afraid of losing "your" country to them? but are okay losing it to "better qualified" immigrants.... idk, I think you have a harder time being consistent with your ideals than I do with mine, and that's a problem, for you[/quote] I have MY ideals and of course I live accordingly. I DON'T allow some poet to outline, For ME, what I believe to be Workable ideals. Your assertion that the illegal immigrants are no more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned are interesting. Please show me what you based that on. If you want to assemble a team, do you walk down the street and grab the first people you see or do you hunt the most QUALIFIED you can find? How do you expect America to be the place where you want to be If America is made up of people who don't have the desire and ability to be a productive member of that team? Did you miss the part where I SAID I believe immigration is necessary? [/quote] one source: http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/ another: https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-illegal-immigration-but-didnt-know-who-to-ask/ another: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sr_022107.pdf another: http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens I could go on, but I could also find a bunch that say the opposite, but they were all from clearly biased sites, Fox, Heritage, Washington Times, etc.... but you might say that the sources I provided are liberal sources, but they do cite some actual peered reviewed studies and articles. and the articles that say illegals commit more crime are much shorter and sometimes refer back to other biased sites, etc.. they feel more agenda driven, to me anyway. what team are you assembling??? Team 'MERICA! F-YEAH! and it depends on what that "team" is doing? picking apples, oranges, peaches etc..... you want them to have a ph.d for that? [/quote] From one of the links.. ay taxes they may never recover. Most work for large employers that withhold Social Security and Medicare taxes. That money helps keep the system solvent. Q: Does the influx of so many people willing to work for low pay bring down wages and make it tougher for me to find a job? Well, that depends on who you are. If you’re a member of the upper class or the middle class, undocumented immigrants should have little or no effect on your wages. But if you’re a lower-class high school dropout, then, yes, immigrants (legal and illegal) may bring your wages down a bit—by less than 10 percent, most likely. As for whether immigrants throw American citizens out of work, the evidence seems to suggest that though they no doubt displace some people from jobs, their presence here also creates jobs, as immigrants buy clothing, eat out at restaurants, and sign cell phone contracts. And if their cheap labor wasn’t available, some employers would probably invest in automation rather than pay people higher wages. Let's analyze that,, But first what team are you assembling??? Team 'MERICA! F-YEAH! and it depends on what that "team" is doing? picking apples, oranges, peaches etc..... you want them to have a ph.d for that. The team I would assemble is the same kind of team that built America. No, I never suggested that everyone needs a degree. That's ridiculous and a product of another administration. It's not reasonable that even the majority be college educated. LOOK at the things that need done. From truck drivers and mechanics to oil and brakes, food service, cashiers, secretary, look at the people who you meet every day who are not college educated AND we all Need those people. Not everyone WANTS a white collar job. I didn't. So, your snark is not working. Now, about the above part. What do you see there that detracts from the pro immigration policy? I will point it out later. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/29/18 at 18:44:44 the quote thing is making this super long and annoying so, here's the part I'm going to respond to right now. "Now, about the above part. What do you see there that detracts from the pro immigration policy? I will point it out later." what pro immigration policy are you talking about? the one the reduces legal immigration by 50% or the one that doesn't want people from "sh1thole" countries? or the one building a wall for no good reason but to symbolically discriminate against our southern neighbors? |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/18 at 18:54:52 I thought the links you provided and the excerpt I posted were Pro immigration.. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/30/18 at 09:05:24 584B534E4B5D4D2A0 wrote:
should I let you figure out why that's a tad racist???? or do I need to explain it to you? [/quote] Please enlighten me [/quote] what exactly has changed? People who are down trodden want to come here to make a better life for themselves, same then as is now. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/30/18 at 09:49:19 I think Jog did a great job listing the concerns, but I will offer one, two, reasons. I tried to use the gun argument as not the same context existed then as now, when it was drafted. The spirit is the same, or intentions, however do to many factors, like how quickly a gun can kill wantonly by a criminal mind, I believe safeguards, or perhaps a more accurate definition of what they/it ( the constitution ) means by arms. Same with the 14th. We had a great expansion of folks coming into the country, many bypassing any form of registering, often it didn't even exist as the forming of the nation and states were still in flux, so they simplified it with regard to the children they had once here, after the nation started getting more organized, etc. That situations is not true of today. Yes, many, many folks come here for a dream. Some come to kill us now, terrorist. They use our freedom, that they do not grant to others, to kill those of a belief they find in opposition to them, real or not. Because our immigration system has not updated to modern technology or context, its failure is causing hardship on more than just the dreamers, its causing it on legal citizens, as well as those who try and enter the country legally. Tho I have no firsthand knowledge of it, I know many at work who came over here as children from Asia. They often do bring families later, and they share with me the cost and energy it takes, it quite staggering. Also, I know a few guys, white dudes, and a few Black guys, who married some Asian girls, at work. A couple of them had their wives return back to their native country. I am not real sure of the cause, or reason, but they have to pay lots of money, and time, to get them back. That sucks! We need a viable, workable system, it only makes sense, for EVERYONE, or we will just keep doing the same thing over and over again....thats crazy! |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/30/18 at 10:07:31 And yet the San Bardu radical Islamic terrorist can return to his country of origin, marry his arranged wife bring her back and shoot up his work. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/30/18 at 10:25:03 63706766797472707B24150 wrote:
Yeah, I am not up on all the details, but one guy I believe fell for a Asian girl who was visiting here, they dated, she returned at the end of her visa, or legal stay. He went to Vietnam on his vacation to see her, etc, and continue the courtship. I am not really sure/remember, if he married her here, when she came back on another vacation, or if he married her there.... However I do remember the money and hoops he told me about, trying to get her here with him... it was 10's of thousands. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/30/18 at 10:39:17 293A223F3A2C3C5B0 wrote:
try making sense and not using hearsay or anecdotes to make your point, cause that gibberish above ain't gonna cut it. statistically, most of the terrorism we have here is from home grown terrorism, not immigrants, yeah yeah, the boston bombers and 9/11 and maybe San Bernadino. But the Vegas shooter, Columbine, Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, the 1996 Alanta Olympics guy, Charleston church shooter, the baseball congress guy, The texas Church shooting.... all acts of violence, most not immigrants. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by raydawg on 01/30/18 at 11:14:45 try making sense and not using hearsay or anecdotes to make your point, cause that gibberish above ain't gonna cut it. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/18 at 12:09:48 43504855504656310 wrote:
Statistics and facts are not hearsay and anecdotes. How do you not know that? (oh, wait....nevermind) |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/30/18 at 13:04:40 312F20212C312A37450 wrote:
Statistics and facts are not hearsay and anecdotes. How do you not know that? (oh, wait....nevermind)[/quote] Calling out a selected list does not represent stats and facts. Even this list does not cover the stats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/30/18 at 13:13:04 Now this is stats... http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 01/30/18 at 13:29:42 372433322D2026242F70410 wrote:
very good :D |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/18 at 14:25:53 3A293E3F202D2B29227D4C0 wrote:
Statistics and facts are not hearsay and anecdotes. How do you not know that? (oh, wait....nevermind)[/quote] Calling out a selected list does not represent stats and facts. Even this list does not cover the stats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States[/quote] LOL - what? You may want to look up the meaning of the word "statistics" there vers.... Unless, you didn't realize that "stats" is short for "statistics". :) |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/30/18 at 14:49:17 617F70717C617A67150 wrote:
Your speed reading is below par. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by T And T Garage on 01/30/18 at 14:59:02 7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 wrote:
Your speed reading is below par.[/quote] This statement is what I callout: "Calling out a selected list does not represent stats and facts." sta·tis·tics noun the practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample. synonyms: data, facts and figures, numbers, information, details; informalstats "recent statistics show an increase in allergic reactions" If calling out lists isn't...then what is?...... :-/ BTW - this is a factual statement: "statistically, most of the terrorism we have here is from home grown terrorism, not immigrants" |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by verslagen1 on 01/30/18 at 15:16:31 You can made my point for me, thanks. |
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Title: Re: 1965......... Post by thumperclone on 01/30/18 at 15:27:25 stats are adjustable by selected data. |
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