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Message started by T And T Garage on 02/06/18 at 19:10:15

Title: Seriously???
Post by T And T Garage on 02/06/18 at 19:10:15

Another day, another childish act....

http://www.yahoo.com/news/report-trump-ordered-pentagon-plan-military-parade-washington-003240241.html

This guy is a fu@king joke!

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Serowbot on 02/07/18 at 08:18:28

Kim Jong envy... ::)

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by T And T Garage on 02/07/18 at 08:45:24

6375627F67727F64100 wrote:

Kim Jong envy... ::)

Yep!!

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Trippah on 02/07/18 at 09:15:13

You should go back and study the early days of the Reich. Unkie Adolph discredits the Reichstag (Congress,) the Police (replaced with Brown Shirts, then they are replaced by the Blackshirts). Big Parades because the little Corporal wasn't a big deal in the military (Unkie Donald skipped it - oh wait, his heel made it impossible to skip).

People of my generation always wondered how Germany could allow Hitler to take control; now we can see how.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by T And T Garage on 02/07/18 at 10:49:20

1E38233A3A2B224A0 wrote:

Great post!

I think most people on this forum (with maybe one exception) know how/why hitler came into power.

One thing that's different now is that we live in a small world. I've seen more than one group saying that if the parade happens, they'll stand in the path and boycott.

Just look at the women's march - the country is finally waking up.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 11:21:54

People of my generation always wondered how Germany could allow Hitler to take control; now we can see how.

Folks will gravitate to that of what they WANT to believe....Much like a moth to a flame.
Like a cheating spouse, they find it extremely feasible that their spouse is cheating on them....golly, I wonder why?

A giant difference in today's world, than what was present when Hitler rose to power, or when the Crusaders shared their faith with heathen, is folks ability to get the truth, call it news, if you like, but that too is agenda and profit driven....
But technology and access through many sources, allows even the most remote places, the ability to get input into events....

I get that its fun to script out our fantasies, finding validation via that same technology, however, that alone will not make it true, sorry.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/07/18 at 11:29:38

I think it's dumbernshit to have a demonstration/parade.
I also don't see it as anything more sinister than trying to awaken a more patriotic feeling in America.
I don't agree with that, either.
Patriotism is an emotion.
That's a fulcrum for manipulation.
It's easier to con people into supporting military action that has no rational justification. Iraq, Libya, both Bullshit.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by T And T Garage on 02/07/18 at 12:39:23

50435B46435545220 wrote:

What the hell is the point of your post?

Do you like the idea of a military parade?

Do you think it's stupid?

Do you think that's what America needs?

Do you think it's a good use of taxpayer dollars?

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 13:02:45

Absolutely not.....

The guy is off his F'N rocker.
Its so 1950 mentality of dominance, etc.

We saw Obama try appeasement, to these rogue leaders, etc.
I credit him for trying something different, however if folks can't readily see it now, they really have no interest in surrendering their own factions and quest of their beliefs, etc, to a better, safer, world society.

Then I do not know what it will take to convince you that a threat exist, still, to our pursuits of happiness.

Personally, I am more afraid of a dog that doesn't bark, than one that does.....

Our military has been demagogued as the reason why "ill will" exist in this world, by many.
If you deny that, then no further dialogue will result in understanding.

However, this stunt by Trump, to USE our service folk as a prop, to bolster his own devious scheme, is frightening, and a real reason why folks who can, need to intervene and stop this insanity before its festers anymore.
But to evoke Hitler, is once again cheap, and lazy, argument.....

I won't even go into a disservice, and disrespect, of many victims who suffered way greater than any of us can imagine.

You find his "grandstanding" abhorrent, then don't grandstand other heinous historical events to bolster your own POV.

You understand now?

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Trippah on 02/07/18 at 13:03:48

JOG - I can't believe we almost agree on a second thing and all within one year. I brought up Hitler, exactly because, the nationalism and "Patriotism" which are simply tribalism inn modern cloak are the analogs to Brexit and America First, make America Great Again.

Hitler and the political party he fronted manipulated public opinion in order to consolidate power. If you were to make a check list,
(1) Discredit present police system so you can replace it or place it under control not of police professionals but "party hacks",
(2) Whip up hysteria about "them" invading us and polluting our people,
(Does the Wall suggest anything, torchlight parades in VA>??
(3) Convince people to waste/spend their resources on the most controllable force, the military which is a top down system -obey, obey.
It's what is happening, baby.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 13:20:33

5F79627B7B6A630B0 wrote:

Berkeley...... nuff said.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Trippah on 02/07/18 at 14:38:04

Rawdawg - is your real name Berkley?? ::)

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 14:57:16

4E68736A6A7B721A0 wrote:

Rawdawg - is your real name Berkley?? ::)

I'm not sure, my mommie only wrote down my initials on my clothes.

Has your ability to see one dimensional a effect of reading print that only slants one way?

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 15:50:53

A different take.....,

Sounds feasible, but my goodness, can’t we find resolution without manipulation?

Who is setting the agenda, Hollywood, or DC?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/07/trumps-parade-is-political-genius-216949

Again, my Democratic Party fell into its present condition because of the Hollywood elistist and Nancy Pelosi leadership....
Abandoning the working class, for class warfare, instead of a military parade, you see them promoting Gay Pride, BLM, Resists, etc, parades and marches.....

Turning the tables has always been an option, and if you get up and walk out, people will get a nice view of your azz, as you retreat from the very technique you deploy yourself until, you got out Trumped.

Maybe, just maybe, when the left excepts their responsibility in all of this, admitting they too deployed like tactics, then it will render Tweeter impotent in these BS games and we can start to govern for EVERYBODY...

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Trippah on 02/07/18 at 19:39:04

I tend to agree with your description of the Democratic Party, Rawdawg.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by T And T Garage on 02/07/18 at 20:08:16

687B637E7B6D7D1A0 wrote:

No, you border on incoherent.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 20:21:00

44627960607178100 wrote:

I tend to agree with your description of the Democratic Party, Rawdawg.

I think we are both old enough to remember a working class party.
If anything, the republicans were the elitist with their wealth.
They were the business owners, etc, who pushed policies that favored them.

They did create jobs, and the opportunities for realizing the "er," American Dream, but it had discriminatory limitations, that's fact.

Its easier to convince someone they are a victim, and thus entitled, than it is to get them to believe that they can achieve their dreams, if they are willing to work towards them....

The democrat party WAS the party of common folk, who shared a common goal of acceptance based on solid principals of achievement.
This mindset was what drove the competitive spirit of sports, of always doing your best, regardless of outcome.
Even in losing, you won self respect.

Oh well.......

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/07/18 at 20:23:47

776966676A776C71030 wrote:

[quote author=687B637E7B6D7D1A0 link=1517973016/0#8 date=1518037365]Absolutely not.....

The guy is off his F'N rocker.
Its so 1950 mentality of dominance, etc.

We saw Obama try appeasement, to these rogue leaders, etc.
I credit him for trying something different, however if folks can't readily see it now, they really have no interest in surrendering their own factions and quest of their beliefs, etc, to a better, safer, world society.

Then I do not know what it will take to convince you that a threat exist, still, to our pursuits of happiness.

Personally, I am more afraid of a dog that doesn't bark, than one that does.....

Our military has been demagogued as the reason why "ill will" exist in this world, by many.
If you deny that, then no further dialogue will result in understanding.

However, this stunt by Trump, to USE our service folk as a prop, to bolster his own devious scheme, is frightening, and a real reason why folks who can, need to intervene and stop this insanity before its festers anymore.
But to evoke Hitler, is once again cheap, and lazy, argument.....

I won't even go into a disservice, and disrespect, of many victims who suffered way greater than any of us can imagine.

You find his "grandstanding" abhorrent, then don't grandstand other heinous historical events to bolster your own POV.

Where did I do that? You're once again confused.

You understand now?

No, you border on incoherent.[/quote]

::)

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by MnSpring on 02/08/18 at 10:41:30

25362E33362030570 wrote:

" ... The democrat party WAS the party of common folk, who shared a common goal of acceptance based on solid principals of achievement.
This mindset was what drove the competitive spirit of sports, of always doing your best, regardless of outcome. ... "

Totally Agree,
USED to be.
Not now.

I believe, the leaders of the DFL, Saw the Pocket Stuffing,
Learned how it is done, and said:
“Gotta Get me soma dat !!!”

In 1974, Voiced a opinion on supporting, and voting for a person on the Township Board.
My Dad & Mom, Very Stanch Democrats.
The Twp Board positions, were Not, ‘Party’, orientated,
(Still are not, as well as County Commissioners)
Yet, Everyone, Knew, the ‘Party’, the candidate aligned with.
(Again still so today)

The person I was going to Vote for, was Republican affiliated,
my Dad asked me ‘why’,
I told him I believed the, other candidate, was taking Bribes.
And outlined the reasons why.
He said nothing, but I could clearly see he was disappointed.
Didn’t know if it was in me, or what I said.

The Democrat won. 2 years later,
he was Caught, asking for and taking Bribes.
He, ‘quietly’, resigned, and promptly left the State,
(Think he went to Tuscan AZ)

So the Democrats, have NOT been the,
‘ Party of the Average Joe’, for a long time.
Most possibly before JFK.
They are most Certainly not, today.

So the, ’Swamp’ contains, Both Rep/Dem, critters.
Who, take, what ever they can, however they can,
regardless, of Party.

Yet, the Fairy Dust Sprinklers, have to much Dust in their eyes,
They Only Support people, without, regard to Ideas.
And Condemn other people, without, regard to Ideas.

And the, Kum-By-You singing, stand in the street criers.
Just Flock, to a ’New’ thing,
which the, ‘Owner’ of that, new thing, (party),
sees a Huge Money Gain.
Gathering ALL the, ‘Donations’, from the Sheep.
Putting item in his Pocket.
Because they ‘learned’ Well, on who/what/how, to do.

Possible Solution?
Elect a person,
Regardless how that person appears,
as to what we are used to in the Past.
Who wants to Drain a Swamp.
Get the Democrats, to KICK OUT,
The Snowflake, Fairy Dust Sprinklers.
And Take Over the Party,
Get the Republicans, to KICK OUT,
The, ’supremacy’, type people.
And Take Over The Party.

Then, ‘Keep they Heat on the Feet'.
And Support the work,
which the ‘Goal’ it is to, make thing better.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by thumperclone on 02/08/18 at 15:17:39

this vet says if tweety wants a parade let him foot the bill
put the 20 mil or so towards veteran programs
im not fooled by him saying the parade is for us
its not
its for his ego period

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Trippah on 02/08/18 at 19:42:45

and this vet says, lets parade the two US ships we almost sank to show the world how good we are. Of course, I was Army :D

OK, lets have the Vietnam Vets (I am one) march in our 2nd place tee shirts.
The Liberation of Kuwait vets can wear their 1st place team shirts.
The Iraqi and Afghanistan vets can wear their (10 years and still trying) shirts.

That should make the Orange one proud (after all, he loved the Bastille Day parade and the French haven't done any better than us (but they do have sharper uniforms)> ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/09/18 at 08:45:30

OK, lets have the Vietnam Vets (I am one) march in our 2nd place tee shirts.
The Liberation of Kuwait vets can wear their 1st place team shirts.
The Iraqi and Afghanistan vets can wear their (10 years and still trying) shirts.

The cold facts..

And if not for the losses in blood and treasure, that would be funny.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/09/18 at 09:22:07

Sorry if this diverts a little too much away from the "parade" post....

However, I think it reveals one of the BIGGEST factors, that is driving this "Trump Mentality"

Selective application of freedom of speech.

As vets, which I am not, I signed up, did the lotto, etc, did my part, at 18, only to get a very high number, like 300, and the draft was slowing down then as well. Also, my hearing would have kept me home, as I can't pass hearing test.....

Anyway, you guys who serve mention to do the parade, in jest, I'm not sure, but to express yourselves while wearing certain messages on you T-shirts....

I think that is cool, but that is the problem too.
Berkeley spent millions of dollars in security, etc, when a conservative desires to speak.

At any Hollywood award show, you better NOT speak conservatism, while celebrating the diversity of intolerance visited on any deplorable(s).
Ditto late night TV, Classrooms around our nation, etc....

Look at Nancy Pelosi the other day....
In her floor marathon she said her grandson wished he had brown eyes and brown hair, while she pandered to the DACA issue....

WTF, that is like saying my son told me he wished he was Black, so he wouldn't dance like a white cracker ;D

Its STUPIDITY on display at the lowest common denominator!

We will never fix a GAWD DANG THING........

UNLESS, we allow ALL dialogue to be spoken, good, bad, and just really ignorant, prejudice, sexist, and RACIST!

The libs have no problem drawing a conclusion that fighting differences militarily, only leads to more hate and division, of others nations countries, etc....
But fail to extend that same reasoning to domestic "fights", why?

BTW, the extreme right, is guilty of it as well, they just don't hold the media power/association, that the left enjoys, but use the "church" and other associated domains, NASCAR (?) as a bully pulpit to preach intolerance.

Look at the name calling, deflection, and minimizing employed by differing factions on this little message board.
You don't see it exampled by others, on the different areas like the Cafe, or Rubber Side down, why?

You will however, see the same characters practice their disdain, for one another, on those other areas mentioned above, why?

Why is civility the first asset we surrender when it comes to political/social dialogue, and a willingness to abridge the freedom of speech, expression, of others, in the hopes it promotes OUR BELIEFS over others?

What are we afraid of, being wrong?

What is driving this primitive emotion in us?

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by MnSpring on 02/09/18 at 10:10:25

"... not fooled by him saying the parade is for us
its not
its for his ego period ..."

Here is, Condemnation, of a Person.
Not the Idea !

I Believe the idea of a, expensive Parade,
Is from, a/the, person who has the ear of the POTUS.

I think 25% of the people of this Nation, think it is a great Idea.
25% of the people, strongly object to the idea.
25% don’t give a, $hit one way or the other.
and 25%, Could, ‘sway’ a decision.
( +/- %)

Here is a opportunity, for people to explain their thoughts,
in a calm rational way.
NOT invoke name calling, and personal slams on the POTUS.
(Like we see on this forum buy a few posters)
In a letter, addressed to the White House.
Most certainly, the POTUS will never see/read them,
it will be a, Intern, (Not Monica),
and the letters will go into these piles:
1. Nut Case.
2. Concerned Citizen.
A. Support of the parade.
B. No support.

Then the ‘rank’, of the comments are communicated..
(A Letter, with a stamp, through the mail
is the Highest ‘Rank’, Much Much Higher than,
a Phone call or a E-mail)

So it is a Choice.
Some will choose to stand in the Street, and CRY.
Yell derogatory remarks, while, standing in the street Crying.
And Cry, about no one listens to them.
OR
Exercise, your FREEDOM,
Communicate with the elected person.
In a sane and reasonable way.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 10:53:13

quote
Vietnam Vets (I am one)

no you are not
according to your own posts you never left the USA

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 11:05:55

2E322F372A3F28393635343F5A0 wrote:

quote
Vietnam Vets (I am one)

no you are not
according to your own posts you never left the USA

ThumperCee.....

What do you mean by your reply?

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 11:10:30

if you didn't go to nam you are NOT a Vietnam vet
your are a Vietnam era vet BIG difference its called combat
if you have any questions visit your local VFW and they'll set you straight

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by Serowbot on 02/11/18 at 12:01:19

Trump served in prep school... then the sudden bone spur attacks... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 12:12:59

4559445C415443525D5E5F54310 wrote:

if you didn't go to nam you are NOT a Vietnam vet
your are a Vietnam era vet BIG difference its called combat
if you have any questions visit your local VFW and they'll set you straight

No, I understand that, I have many friends who went there.
Not many like to talk about it.
Seems the deeper into the war you were, the deeper their desire to forget it.

I was just wondering if you were alluding to the point since you served, you have more voice in our countries direction, etc.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 12:46:11

I have no more voice than any other citizen, just one vote..

I don't like posers who make false claims about their service
it degrades the sacrifices combat vets have made

I am NOT a Vietnam vet (no combat), I served 1973 > 1977 during the Vietnam era
in an army tactical nukes unit

I was a draft dodger(no bone spurs)
I enlisted to avoid the draft

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 14:01:25

504C514954415647484B4A41240 wrote:

Yeah, that's what I thought you meant, thanks for qualifying.....

Lots of poser, that's for sure, kinda like a pimp talking about how he is concerned, with sexual harassment ;)

Title: Re: Seriously???
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 16:26:55

I was a draft dodger(no bone spurs)
I enlisted to avoid the draft.

Nobody can Ever say you aren't a democrat. If you actually believe that
Joining the military is in any way
Dodging the Draft, you're absolutely qualified to be a democrat.
You chose what branch, in order to avoid the possibility of being a foot soldier.
I joined in 73, and we were considered
Vietnam Era , wore the ribbon on dress blues, and nobody I knew went to Vietnam. Army and Marines MIGHT have still been shipping guys over there, but the air force wasn't. They did tell us it was possible, but unlikely for our career field to be sent.