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Title: Is critical thinking dead? Post by JLC on 02/10/18 at 15:16:55 I have not been active on the TT as I view it as an exercise in futility. The posters on the right of the political spectrum will never be convinced by those on the left, and vice versa. Remains all the insults and the deepening divisions between the two clans. That being said, I need to vent! What I object to are the fake news in many emails and Facebook postings I keep seeing from friends and acquaintances, usually aimed at personalities on the left. Not surprising as most of my friends are from a gun club (I am a match director there), and a vintage car club with few, if any, liberals as members. Today on a distant relative Facebook page, I saw a posting, claiming Adam Schiff’s sister was married to the son of George Soros. The site claiming so is a well know proponent of conspiracies. One tiny problem: Adam Schiff does not have a sister. I was also recently sent the photo of a young man in his twenties, sporting a Nazi uniform. The caption claimed that was George Soros, and that he worked for Himmler during the second world war. A quick search on the net will show that Soros was born in a Jewish family, and that he was only 9 years old when the war started, 14 when it ended. He is not the man in the uniform. My point is what happened to critical thinking? Are people now so ready to accept whatever news fit their world view that they will not fact check? |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by Serowbot on 02/10/18 at 15:22:08 Short answer,... yes... ;D Fact checking?.... Facts a "fake news"... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/10/18 at 15:45:32 people now have alternative facts..... I think it's very astute of you to see that most of the facebook "fake news" slanders left wing personalities I do try to be reasonable, I don't think I can be unbiased as we all have our own point of views, but if the argument is reasonable, then I'll return it with reason. if it's obviously directed to stirring up more BS through fear and character assassination then that's what it returns very glad to hear from you, I hope you'll participate more, but of course that's up to you |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by raydawg on 02/10/18 at 16:54:23 You can lead a horse to water, however....... Excuse me now, I need to move over to the other side of the island now, we are going to make it tip over ::) |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/18 at 17:13:27 Critical thinking isn't dead, but it's certainly not real common. It's not taught in public school. It's laughed at and mocked. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by raydawg on 02/10/18 at 17:35:38 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
Lets just call it Political Correctness, that puts a tidy bow on it, and we can move on to other things we want to direct your attention to ;D Case in point. This little boy use to always cry wolf. Folks came to help. No wolf. He cried wolf one day. No one came, except the wolf. Folks cried sexual harassment of Willie. The little boy just laughed, called it a vast conspiracy. Now the little boy calls sexual harassment.... But Willie showed them it really doesn't matter, As long as the greater belief, er....trumps ;D Yeah, amazing, ain't it, how so much flipping and a flopping, goes on, but its all justified. Thank goodness the ones who decide the real outcome of the elections don'y give a ratz arse about this fake news, talking points, and media bias spin! |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by Trippah on 02/11/18 at 07:44:11 I vaguely remember when, in my childhood, watching a debate. I don't mean the one line mudslinging crap we get at the Presidential Debates..I mean a debate when a proposition was made and then two sides of the proposition were put forward, discussed and each side tried to refute the other's position. They seldom settle anything per see but did give a deeper view into why the topic had two sides, allowing us often to at least understand why the idiot on the other side took his position. :D |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by MnSpring on 02/11/18 at 09:33:23 "...the fake news in many emails and Facebook postings..." It goes the other way , JUST AS MUCH (Ask Bot) And it always has, and always will. Until lately, when certain people had to have, “Safe Places” Ya bought that new fancy Gun, You take it to a Gun Club, then like minded people will admire it craftsmanship. Ya don’t take it to a ‘Rainbow’ parade. Just as someone from a Rainbow Parade, does not, come to a Gun club, to show off his new Thong. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 09:44:31 does not, come to a Gun club, to show off his new Thong. Are you daring me? :-* |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by MnSpring on 02/11/18 at 09:46:04 6A4C574E4E5F563E0 wrote:
YES, The first part, is what all of us need to get back to. It once was, can be again. Two people, (one way over their, one way over here). They talk, they Liston. They See/Understand, what each other is talking about. They come to a decision, which Both can agree on. Then they Both decide, that idea will be revisited to refine, as the, what does/what doen't work is reviled. Unfortunately, today: "...the idiot on the other side..." Gets in the way, and one can't, 'See'. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 09:46:42 1F39223B3B2A234B0 wrote:
Interesting response...... Prompts the question, why do you come here, why do any of us? Who comes to "learn"? Who comes to spew, call names? |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by MnSpring on 02/11/18 at 09:55:14 51425A47425444230 wrote:
Wear a 'Wire', so we all can hear the responses. (Oh Wait, they will see it) LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 10:01:16 Critical thinking is the defense against the things you guys are talking about. Here's one We are taught to thank the Heroes Who are in other countries Protecting our Freedoms. Where are the threats to our Freedoms? |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by MnSpring on 02/11/18 at 10:22:47 584B534E4B5D4D2A0 wrote:
For me, it is mostly entertainment. Also, to keep in line, the NO facts, spewing posters. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 10:28:24 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
Anybody? It's Supposed to be about Critical thinking.. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 10:34:25 don't tell me the answer is: Libya :D |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 10:39:44 No, Libya is just another example of where you don't want to use critical thinking. Unless you are ready to make a rational case for destroying a nation and making refugees of the people and call it a Humanitarian Mission. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 10:40:23 657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
Anybody? It's Supposed to be about Critical thinking.. [/quote] C'mon guys, everyone here has stood on the soapbox and proclaimed superior thinking,,, Here's your chance to demonstrate it. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 10:48:36 C'mon guys, everyone here has stood on the soapbox and proclaimed superior thinking,,, Here's your chance to demonstrate it. [/quote] like you do? |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 16:12:09 Yeah, Nuthin will shut a Critical Thinking thread down Any faster than actually Challenging people to Engage in Critical Thinking. I'm so not surprised. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by MnSpring on 02/11/18 at 17:06:16 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
What, their was a Country, Where, Socialism WORKED ? And did it work, because that Country, had so much Money, that they could, Fund the, Thief’s, in the Government, AND, Pay for, Everything, the Citizens Needed ? A Country, which the people in, had No Need, or Desire, to Leave their, ’$hit Hole’, to Glean the Money, from a Prospered Country. (Like the USA, and those in central Europe) But wait, the, ‘Ultra Liberal’ people, (who LOVED the wanna be, ‘KING’.) What Happened in 2011 ? LOL Guess, nothing to say about that ! BUT, LOTS, to say, about someone with a new AXE, is a MORON. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 18:54:56 What, their was a Country, Where, Socialism WORKED ? Yes. Only one that I know of. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 18:58:31 http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-884508 |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 19:43:35 Not verified by CNN..... What’s that mean? |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 20:36:04 I'll go out on a limb, and, in using the context of the article, I'm gonna say they used an outside source and printed the article without Verifying it. If it's insufficient, by all means, drag up another source. It looked enough like things I found that I brought in here back when we were destroying Libya to satisfy me. And Libya is the Only long term, SUCCESSFUL, Prosperous socialist society I know of. We saved them from Nothing. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by raydawg on 02/12/18 at 09:00:16 This is EASY........ Where are the threats to our Freedoms? White conservative males. Also known as: homophobic sexist racist white crackers. Next question ;D |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 09:42:37 I offer critical thinking . They go silent. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by verslagen1 on 02/12/18 at 10:16:31 they're always critical... thinking is optional. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by Trippah on 02/12/18 at 16:28:59 If you were a small population sitting on a vast subterranean ocean of dead dino juice, you could use any political system ever invented and it would work for a while. Lybia was a socialist nation only if you exclude the military overlords who sucked up a disproportionate percent of the wealth, necessary to keep socialism safe from sand fleas. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 18:13:56 The description that I found and posted is that of a socialist society. It was working well according to what I can find. The fact that they had natural resources to give everyone a decent life is what allowed it to work. The democratic socialist idea of confiscatory taxes and class warfare to redistribute wealth won't work . While the oil lasts and while the Horrible Tyrant uses the oil money to benefit the people, that society works. Gadhaffi didn't tax the people to build that fabulous irrigation system. It was paid for with oil sales revenues and USED to benefit the people. We blew it up, while we were saving them. Our smart bombs destroyed it. |
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Title: Re: Is critical thinking dead? Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 10:54:59 5056591A0 wrote:
Nice to see you post JLC. I concur with Bot's answer. :) If I may add my 2˘... I don't see a lot of critical thinking in either of the "clans". (I define those clans as hardcore left & right wing fundamentalists. They only see their own vantage point and anything else makes no difference.) However, I do see a lot more of it in the moderates and independents/undecided. There's a huge part of the democratic party that has had their fill of the likes of hillary. Likewise, there's probably just as many republicans scratching their heads on what our president is doing to lead their party (which isn't much). Although from my personal experience, those that lean to the right tend to be a bit more hypocritical these days. As I've said from the start - we live in a new world - the likes of which none of us has ever seen before. Information is literally at everyone's fingertips and, sad as it is, sometimes all you have to be is loud, not truthful. The gullible are drawn to it like moths to a flame. The smart ones question it. A perfect example- Regarding the photo you mentioned about soros, I saw it on my facebook feed and immediately questioned it. However, it was one of my right leaning friends that posted it with the tagline - "this is interesting". He posted it with no hesitation and just believed it because it fits his viewpoints. That shows me how you got to your question in the first place. With all that being said, I think the tides are turning. Even though it's easier to put out fake news, it's just as easy to debunk it. I remember not so long ago where this all got its start. More than once throughout the 2008 campaign and shortly after Obama's election, fox news' favorite question setup to a liberal would be "..some people are saying..." This is a great tactic to immediately put someone (not totally prepared) on the defense. For whatever reason, it was rarely thrown back at the host of the show - "what people?", or "who actually said that?". Up until then, those tactics were only found on likes of jerry springer or maury. But now as you look at the media landscape, it's undergoing an evolutionary change. Everyone can fact check. Everyone can prove or disprove for themselves. The truth is much easier to find. Although it allows some to continue to live in their cave, for those who truly want to learn, it brings them the real truth. Critical thinking dies when those who know that real truth, stay silent. |
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