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Title: me memo Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 10:32:27 so the circus ringmaster doesn't want to release the dems memo cause its "too long and political" maybe it under minds his claim of vindication.. stay tuned the show must go on ::) |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 10:48:13 Since you're obviously not following the Story, the democrats included a lot of things that would HAVE to be redacted. Gee, how would that look? Chikkinshitt is the operating system. It's all about Optics for them. The truth is NOT gonna set them free. And they know it. Why do you think so many people are resigning? |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 11:22:03 627E637B667364757A797873160 wrote:
Clone, what started all this insanity? I remember so very well Bill C. getting hammered over Monica, a stupid move on his part, but not the first time a politician had some moral issues. I remember all the energy that went into this affair. I remember thinking what a waste. I remember prior to the election results, Hillary saying she was not going to play, gotcha politics.... She just wasn't suppose to lose, period, all this energy, from when she struck a deal with Obama, was directed toward her coronation. All of this current affair can rightly so, I believe, be attributed to her own narcissism....... Lots of folks caught in its snare. Liberals are way more active in politics, that is why they have such a monopoly on social media, cable, TV, etc. However, it doesn't sway, and I believe it resulted in a backlash, with the 20% in the middle that decides elections. This midterm will prove my point I believe, as these folks will not get involved until very late in the game, and they will vote according to how they see things at the moment, in their own lives. If its good, or if its bad, they will decide themselves, who to blame, or credit, and vote accordingly. It explains why polls are not a reliable source of outcome. All this crap here, and across cable, etc, is just gray matter, masturbation, entertainment, nothing more. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by thumperclone on 02/11/18 at 11:34:29 in my memory it started with "I am not a crook" tricky dickey |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by Serowbot on 02/11/18 at 11:58:53 53405845405646210 wrote:
There are 7 times more Right-Wing posters on Tweeter and Youtube than Liberal... AM radio is alost exclusively Right-Wing... What you call Liberal biased is just real news... Ask the world... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/magazine/for-the-new-far-right-youtube-has-become-the-new-talk-radio.html |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 12:06:22 4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
There are 7 times more Right-Wing posters on Tweeter and Youtube than Liberal... AM radio is alost exclusively Right-Wing... What you call Liberal biased is just real news... Ask the world... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/magazine/for-the-new-far-right-youtube-has-become-the-new-talk-radio.html[/quote] Oh, real news, gotcha. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 12:10:02 2C302D35283D2A3B3437363D580 wrote:
Yeah, that was a part of it, maybe even were Hillary got her roots planted, as I understand she had to be removed from that investigation over zealousness. Lots of water went under that bridge from then, to now, and I am not sure how much of a factor that plays in the current situation, other than it gave the media a strong sense that they really could direct the narrative and outcome..... Which again, I think is back-firing. We'll see. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/11/18 at 15:35:49 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
you don't actually know that. you assume it because it's the worst think you could assume and it's a democratic memo so of course you think it's the worst thing ever The FBI/DOJ were against releasing the Nunes memo, but Trump trumped that and said nah, we'll release it, I imagine the FBI/DOJ have similar reservations about the Dem memo but now Trump listens, because it's not politically favorable to him, and that's just how it is, Trump playing politics hopefully the Dem memo will come out after they are done with the FBI/DOJ helping them revise it, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by raydawg on 02/11/18 at 15:42:41 LostA...... Entertain for a moment what would have happened if Comey came out and recommended prosecution for Hillary. What do you think would of happened? |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by MnSpring on 02/11/18 at 16:21:01 4A5C4B564E5B564D390 wrote:
“…There are 7 times more Right-Wing posters on Tweeter and Youtube than Liberal…” Really ? The supporting, FACTS on that is ?????? (Wait, It was said, by a, '""expert""" on Boob-Tube, so it MUST be true) Last I heard, from Several places, (it was a Topic here, and places listed) It was a 5-1 ratio, (Lib 5 - Con 1) How did that change from, 1-7, and Con to Libs ??????? (Or is that like the 1,600 ?????) “…AM radio is a alost exclusively Right-Wing…" WHAT, Would love to explore, where that was heard, and from what sources ! “…What you call Liberal biased is just real news…” WOW, thought someone from Tucson AZ, Bought all those, OCEAN front lots in AZ. (Guess I gotta find some More) “…Ask the world…” Would that be, MOST, of the World, that Don’t Give a $hit ? Would that be, some of the country leaders, who the current, POTUS, does NOT, Kiss their Azz, So while the, ‘leaders’ P&M, the CITIZENS, say the OTHER way. ? Again, Would love to explore, where that was heard, and from what sources. (Or, again, is that like the 1,600 ?) The POINT is: No Need for a Axe, just Turn up the Thermostat. No need for a i-phone to tell the weather, just look outside. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 16:40:04 0D2439262E3927320724383F0A393F22383F4B0 wrote:
you don't actually know that. you assume it because it's the worst think you could assume and it's a democratic memo so of course you think it's the worst thing ever The FBI/DOJ were against releasing the Nunes memo, but Trump trumped that and said nah, we'll release it, I imagine the FBI/DOJ have similar reservations about the Dem memo but now Trump listens, because it's not politically favorable to him, and that's just how it is, Trump playing politics hopefully the Dem memo will come out after they are done with the FBI/DOJ helping them revise it, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now [/quote] don't actually know that. you assume it because it's the worst think you could assume and it's a democratic memo so of course you think it's the worst thing ever The FBI/DOJ we Actually, I do know that. I have been following this closely. I read sites that you clearly don't. The democrats put together a memo that was loaded with crap that HAD to be redacted. That way they could point to the redactions and whine about how their memo was effectively not allowed. The republicans VOTED FOR IT, unlike the democrats who voted against the bubs memo, which,IIRC, was gonna be a complete disaster to allow We the People to see. It's nowhere Near over. I'm not even gonna try to explain what all is in the works. If Trump does what I hope, then we will see indictments. But, if he was gonna be the president he said he would be, that idiotic budget would not be passed. We will see what happens, but I said a long time ago that they Have to let Hillary skate, because Obama used that email address of hers that was Not a .gov address. He and who knows how many others Knowingly discussed classified topics on her stupid little server? |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/11/18 at 17:28:16 JOG, I mean you could share your sources, like I DO, or do you just think everyone must just listen to you because you're so great? but weren't you just saying something about critical thinking... huh... and if the memo hasn't been released... then, how does ANYONE besides the few involved in writing it and the few that've read it, know anything about it? unless they leaked classified info.... and then they woudln't really be trustworthy would they? |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 19:10:13 or do you just think everyone must just listen to you because you're so great? but weren't you just saying something about critical thinking... Critical thinking is analysis. Critical thinking is not just accepting the propaganda, like We are saving the Libyan people by bombing their fine way of life into oblivion. Your attitude doesn't really make me want to offer you anything. I've posted links to the sites I find things on. Nobody has EVER brought anything else in from them. I'll drop some again, maybe you can be less nasty to me. Critical thinking Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/18 at 19:27:15 http://www.whio.com/news/national-govt--politics/trump-fires-back-democrats-over-rejected-russia-probe-memo/A6T2ewVSqTwaFXuT805KWO/ Facebook Twitter Google+ Email A day after the White House told House Democrats to edit an intelligence memo about the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 elections in order to remove sensitive intelligence materials, President Donald Trump accused Democrats of adding in too much classified information on purpose, as Republicans said the President’s critics were simply playing political games over the Russia investigation. “The Democrats sent a very political and long response memo which they knew, because of sources and methods (and more), would have to be heavily redacted,” the President wrote in a Saturday morning message on Twitter. Mr. Trump’s decision on Friday to reject the memo from Democrats came a week after he had allowed the release of a GOP memo on the Russia probe, which accused the FBI of wrongly using partisan information to get court approval for surveillance on Carter Page, a former foreign policy adviser for the Trump Campaign. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by Serowbot on 02/12/18 at 07:35:52 You'd think a smart President, or even a half-wit, would foresee that a Republican release would initiate a response... and thereby refuse the release of both. Not the Cheezit n' chief.... he can't see past his nose. :-? |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 08:53:50 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
dude, you spout off the most conservative of conservative propaganda, you seem to just accept it without questioning it. and talk about attitude, you've often responded with absolute disdain when people question you or just have different beliefs, you think they are out to destroy America, libtards, have mental problems, must have a deficiency in the brain for not being able to see what's just so obviously clear to you (but then you don't try to actually explain it, just turn up your nose and walk away) I will give you credit for the WHIO TV source, that actually seems reasonable, it presents both sides fairly. but you are still accepting the conservative view as fact and indisputable. when they are just as likely lying as the democratic view could be. this is all based on hearsay and conjecture. like we don't know that the FBI and DOJ didn't want to redact portions of the Nunes memo, the FBI and DOJ are savy enough to know they can't say anything and the President wanted everything out there to "vindicate" him. and I'm not taking Schiff at his word either, they could have put some super sensitive information in it, but the FBI and DOJ didn't come out publicly and say anything against it, after they did publicly state objections to the Nunes memo. so I don't really know what to believe, but I know when it's spin, both are spin, and you have to have a belief that there is corruption to believe one side over the other |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 11:51:48 Re: me memo Reply #15 - Today at 16:53:50 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote justin_o_guy2 wrote on Today at 03:10:13: or do you just think everyone must just listen to you because you're so great? but weren't you just saying something about critical thinking... Critical thinking is analysis. Critical thinking is not just accepting the propaganda, like We are saving the Libyan people by bombing their fine way of life into oblivion. Your attitude doesn't really make me want to offer you anything. I've posted links to the sites I find things on. Nobody has EVER brought anything else in from them. I'll drop some again, maybe you can be less nasty to me. Critical thinking Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence. dude, you spout off the most conservative of conservative propaganda, you seem to just accept it without questioning it. and talk about attitude, you've often responded with absolute disdain when people question you or just have different beliefs, you think they are out to destroy America, libtards, have mental problems, must have a deficiency in the brain for not being able to see what's just so obviously clear to you (but then you don't try to actually explain it, just turn up your nose and walk away) I will give you credit for the WHIO TV source, that actually seems reasonable, it presents both sides fairly. but you are still accepting the conservative view as fact and indisputable. when they are just as likely lying as the democratic view could be. this is all based on hearsay and conjecture. like we don't know that the FBI and DOJ didn't want to redact portions of the Nunes memo, the FBI and DOJ are savy enough to know they can't say anything and the President wanted everything out there to "vindicate" him. The F.B.I. wanted to redact the names. Names known publicly and known to be involved. Pointless. Is there anything in the bub memo that Should be redacted? Nope. The democrats have tried to play a game. It's working. The one eyed hyperventilate and cry double standard. The authors of the memo are playing them like the tools they are. The democrats loaded up their memo so it would Either be redacted to pieces Which would let the one eyed cry about injustice Or It would not be presented to the public. Either way they can get the butthurt masses to cry foul. It's so obvious. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 12:26:48 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
-------- funny how that lines up EXACTLY with what every super right wing radio and Fox News host has been saying... you know, the PROPAGANDA yet you buy that. not even a shred of doubt in your mind, and then you claim those of us that don't buy it aren't thinking critically and crying double standard. and no, I don't know of anything in the Nunes memo that should have been redacted BUT I'm not in Inteligence. I don't know what other operations or operatives are out there that could have been hurt by something that wasn't redacted, something that seems simple to you and me might be a missing piece to a Russian spy or something that puts it all together and now has jeopardized the whole thing. That's why the FBI said it was RECKLESS to release it in the first place. and Trump played into that game, he could have waited and released them at the same time. but now you've had a week and a half of the conservatives and republicans spinning this idea about a "loaded" memo and all that.. well, I don't have any proof of that, all I have proof of is a Nunes memo that doesn't really say anything and Trump denying the release of an opposition memo. and now you are okay with unmasking sources... huh, sounds wrong to me. yet here I am, still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that he'll release the memo sometime.. . but I'm not holding my breath oh, and ever think that it's hard to answer questions without providing more information than was out there before... so if the Dem memo does elaborate, well, they are probably just trying to actually answer the question fully instead of spinning more partisan innuendo like Nunes' memo |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 15:04:43 I don't watch tv news. None of it. And what I said has been verified. It's not HARD to see what is happening so often. Did you read what I said about the Iraq war? Who else makes those points? Nobody.. I gather information and come to conclusions. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 15:12:10 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
it's on radio and I'm sure it's on conservative websites as well, maybe even Infowars... and what exact points on Iraq are you referring to? I think that the conclusions are gathered, then the information you read is written, then you conclude the obvious things from that kind of circular reporting, it happens on the left a lot too. and all over the place, business plans, academic papers, etc... |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 21:35:35 Nunes memo that should have been redacted BUT I'm not in Inteligence. I don't know wha If you have read it, it's OBVIOUSLY not showing methods of gathering information. No names are made public that weren't known already. The Reason for the histrionics was to keep it from being released. It's exposing wrongdoing By the people who were screaming about releasing it. Isn't it strange that the people who were so against it, warning us about the damage it would do, Declared it a NOTHING Burger once we got to see it? |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/13/18 at 04:21:08 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
you don't know what you don't know. and then why weren't those same people screaming about the Dem memo, only Trump is saying it needs redacted, the FBI and DOJ have no official stance on it, not that I've heard anyway, until they were told to have a stance on it by Trump |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/13/18 at 21:39:23 You know if Trump alone held it up there would be a storm . Apparently what I said was partially correct. Aaand there is more. http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/ex-prosecutor-reveals-real-reason-schiff-memo-blocked-fbi-doj-criminal-investigation/ One of my daily haunts. I think everyone should share their favorite sites. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 09:01:55 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
With the latest revealing of Susan Rice sending herself a memo about Obama, Comey, etc, meeting in Jan. It sounds like Obama was told something was up, re: Trump. That concerns needed to be investigated, etc. It sounds to me like Obama was NOT part of this "plan", which can be debated, or just a aggressive investigation into Russia's meddling of the election, with a "possibility" Trump had some ties to it. Obama seem adamant in following the rule of law, and not out to trap anyone. That seems to fit the narrative pretty well, as this thing is starting to unfold..... Its more about damage control, and removing egg on face, than what some see as sinister, deep state, etc. Again, we got Hillary to thank for this, and she got her's.....REJECTION! |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 10:21:02 She sent herself a memo to remind herself that Obama said We will do this by the book.. Does that mean this is the Exception? By the book is SUPPOSED to be standard operating procedure, isn't it? I don't get the connection between the email and how the obvious conclusion is Trump.. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 10:40:23 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
The dossier. I think its means Obama knew just how sketchy, or risky, this link to the "real" investigation, into how Russia meddled in the election, was..... |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 17:09:57 and ever think that it's hard to answer questions without providing more information than was out there before... so if the Dem memo does elaborate, well, they are probably just trying to actually answer the question fully instead of spinning more partisan innuendo like Nunes' memo If you can copy and paste the section of the memo that is Innuendo I'll try to respond. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 17:21:08 nd what exact points on Iraq are you referring to? I really don't want to have to type this stuff again, but I will... Saddam was pissed off at Kuwait for using directional drilling to tap reserves that belonged to Iraq. He told, IIRC Susan rice that he was going to attack them. She told him That's a local issue. That's between you and them, we don't care. Who doesn't remember the constant cries of The Iraqi soldiers are pulling BAYBEES out of incubators and dropping them in the floor? That tearful Nurse was Actually the daughter of an ambassador. It was a Lie. Oddly, Saddam had been talking about selling oil and accepting currencies Other than the dollar. The U.S. Plan To Topple All 7 Countries On Trump’s … https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-u-s-plan-to-topple-all-7... According to four-star General Wesley Clark, shortly after the attacks of 9/11, the Pentagon adopted a plan to topple the governments of seven countries; Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran TheThe U.S. Plan To Topple All 7 Countries On Trump’s … https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-u-s-plan-to-topple-all-7... According to four-star General Wesley Clark, shortly after the attacks of 9/11, the Pentagon adopted a plan to topple the governments of seven countries; Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Look at where we have been.. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by Serowbot on 02/14/18 at 17:26:50 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
So everything you know, comes from conspiracy sites.... How is that any better?... You think as you're told... |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 17:44:01 No. I was reading the paper when I was a kid. I WATCHED as priests were Punished By the church. They had to go to another parish. I was reading about admissions of illegal acts. Nobody was being arrested. I guess no cops were reading the paper. I knew if my dad got caught like that, he'd be behind bars. I've been connecting dots since I was ten. I look for information. I conclude, for myself. I WAS a democrat, when I was seventeen. I stopped being able to agree with that when I was about eighteen.. 1973, I figure you'll know what happened then. I figured I must be a bub, since I was not a democrat,, and I never felt like they stood for what I believed, so, after a few years, I decided to just stop being a part of any group and think through what I believe is right. Boy, that was lonely. Everybody seems to need to belong to a group,, I had no idea what a libertarian was, but someone told me to check out Ron Paul. I did. He was saying things I agreed with. You have no idea who I am. I don't THINK what the things I post say because THEY say it. I link to and reference things that I find that explain what I believe or support what I believe. The exceptions to that are The creature from Jekyll Island, which answered questions I didn't have access to resources to answer and factual exposes like Economic Hit Man. That helped me understand how things are done. I sure hope you can remember this, because I've typed it about ten times and I don't want to again. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/15/18 at 08:19:27 53405845405646210 wrote:
With the latest revealing of Susan Rice sending herself a memo about Obama, Comey, etc, meeting in Jan. It sounds like Obama was told something was up, re: Trump. That concerns needed to be investigated, etc. It sounds to me like Obama was NOT part of this "plan", which can be debated, or just a aggressive investigation into Russia's meddling of the election, with a "possibility" Trump had some ties to it. Obama seem adamant in following the rule of law, and not out to trap anyone. That seems to fit the narrative pretty well, as this thing is starting to unfold..... Its more about damage control, and removing egg on face, than what some see as sinister, deep state, etc. Again, we got Hillary to thank for this, and she got her's.....REJECTION! [/quote] from this linked article: "It means, that there is a criminal investigation underway and release of some of the information in the memo by Mr. Schiff will affect that criminal investigation." and releasing the Nunes memo, getting Trump all worked up about prosecuting the FBI wont' affect the investigation into Russia? I mean, we are talking about the same investigation right? So according to this, There IS enough information about Carter Page to at least have a criminal investigation then. |
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Title: Re: me memo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/18 at 17:32:10 And yet, no indictment on Carter Page. I see this through a very different lens. |
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