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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Guns /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1518643573 Message started by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 13:26:13 |
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Title: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Guns Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 13:26:13 http://twitter.com/i/moments/963863619271254016 Really getting sick of this.... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Trippah on 02/14/18 at 13:31:09 NRA NRA NRA as long as people vote for the candidates supported by the NRA, but hell. they voted for Tweety too. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 13:34:33 6F49524B4B5A533B0 wrote:
Pretty much - yep. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 14:04:40 I should mention - this is the 18th one so far this year. in case anyone forgot - it's February 14th..... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/14/18 at 14:07:32 445A555459445F42300 wrote: Pretty much - yep. Do, People use a Car to Kill someone? Do, People use a Screwdriver, a Bat, a Pipe, Poison, Golf club, to kill someone ? Do, People use all sorts of things, that are NOT, a firearm, to kill someone? If they do,”they”, are NUTS. Kinna would say it’s the, PERSON. (For the PC Challenged, ’They = People’) But go ahead, stand in the Street, and CRY, And Put the SIGN, on your yard, car, or back, “No Guns, No Defense” Put that ’Sign’ up, ’No Guns In ……” OR, SD AND STFU |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 14:11:00 Yes, no guns, no Muslims, no homosexuals.... There, it’s all fixed. I don’t expect you to even come close to understanding your own insanity of blaming a object. I’d still be blaming beer, if I shared your failed reasoning, and my life would still be hell.... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 14:11:13 There are some people on this post that show the need for mental health screening. I think you all can see who that is. Just one of many things that sensible gun control would do in helping prevent so many of these senseless killings. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 14:17:50 26352D30352333540 wrote:
You are part of the problem here ray. It's people like you that trivialize the argument into "guns don't kill people..." If you can't see that, then you're truly lost. Nowhere have I EVER said it's the gun's fault. NEVER. I grew up in a rural town. I had hunter's safety in 6th grade. I love to shoot and used to hunt. Don't tell me about what the problem is, or what you think I mean. You ray, have no clue. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 14:47:25 We have laws against murder, yet.... I choose to try to find sustainable solution by understanding that the problem has no simple, one size fits all, fix. You can direct your energies to demagoguery like Raul Emanuel’s playbook, and continue your games. I won’t wait for a headline that reports a fat white man who frequently post on a motorcycle message board went postal, to spout off the same spew, while weget no closer to a fix. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/14/18 at 14:53:39 405E51505D405B46340 wrote:
Would this mean, Lying ? ? ? Like H.R.C. Lied, when she said: ANY one, can buy ANY gun from Anywhere. Like Sarah Brady, Lied for 36 YEARS which was not TRUE 36 YEARS ago, and even LESS True today ! What was that about instilling, FEAR about something. And installing, FEAR, with FALSE, and UnTrue Statements ! Kinna like one, just made ? "...Don't tell me about what the problem is..." How is all that, "...sensible gun control would do in helping prevent so many of these senseless killings..." Working In Ill ????? Crime Rate, Really Down ??? Oh, and their is, NO, "sensible gun control..." (Bought a Firearm Lately?) Or is that, a LIE ??????? To instill FEAR, in people. ????????????? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/14/18 at 15:00:22 Its pretty clear statistically that the more guns there are in a population the more firearm related deaths there are. Same with knives, and cars. Its too easy to find contradicting information and play blame-game all day. If you are in the US interpret the 2nd Amendment as you see fit and then get off the complain-train and your computer, to go support legislation that supports your interpretation. Changing someone else's mind is a waste of time. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 15:06:53 4161636B7661040 wrote:
True. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 15:14:22 65766E73766070170 wrote:
Your last paragraph makes no sense. Why not try and understand the issue before you make an a$$ of yourself, huh? The reason this fat white guy posts on a motorcycle forum is to bring to light (however limited in its reach) the problem of gun violence in this country and how complacent the users of said forum have become. Further, I truly want to understand why so many on here (on the conservative end) don't care, unless the shooter is a person of color. Lastly, I'm sick and fu@king tired of "hopes and prayers".... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Serowbot on 02/14/18 at 15:35:15 Only in America... and that says a lot. Either we are a shite bunch of people, or there are too many guns. Your choice. ... and,... gun sales will get a boost... every time there's a shooting, gun nuts run to the stores. NRA and gun dealers must love it. Ironic... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 15:38:39 Only your solution can be considered. Arming some teachers, metal detectors at the doors, maybe, Ever notice how many Gun Free Zones get shot up? I WONDER if there is a clue there.. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 16:13:33 Look at opiates, drugs, booze...... Let’s have more. More guns equal more deaths. Check. Sure, we need to find a cure, if it exists. However, we need context, and drop the fear mongering. Run the numbers of death at the hands of another, tell me, were do guns fit? You want a more police state, less freedom, to insure a wacko with a gun can’t use it? So do scared folks that think Muslim are more likely to be terrorist, and we need to focus on them.... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 16:35:15 So, what does it mean that the shooter had a MAGA hat on in his Instagram account profile? If we take the tack of the conservatives, then anyone with a hat like that is a potential terrorist, right? Of course not. This isn't a matter of just banning or prosecuting. It's a mentality disorder throughout the entire country. Gun free zones aren't going to stop someone, just like laws aren't. But it's been proven throughout the world that restricting access is the way to go. Sorry NRA, arming the entire population will only get more people killed. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 16:54:33 Gun free zones aren't going to stop someone, just like laws aren't. But it's been proven throughout the world that restricting access is the way to go. Ridiculous. I WATCHED when Florida relaxed rules because tourists were being targeted. As soon as they made self defense legal, that crap stopped. I WATCHED as Louisiana did the same when carjacking was a sport. After a few punks died, flopping around in the road screaming with a gut wound, that lost its charm. Let some teachers get trained and start carrying, ask for retired cops to roam the halls. See if former military will volunteer. Before you decide everyone needs to fall on their knees and give up their rights, lets try some other answers. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 17:14:31 Where do you get this notion that the NRA wants to arm everyone as their goal? So, because I can’t use booze, and I know many, many,many, others share this similar issue, we DOES lead to innocent people getting killed at OUR choice to drink.... That, just to be safe, we should outlaw, or strictly control the amount of booze that is allowed into society? I agree 101% percent it’s a mental illness issue, as is homelessness, as it a total dependency lifestyle of able bodied relying on welfare type living, etc. As a “civilized” society, we fail miserably at this problem... Under the protection of self rights, etc, we fail society as a whole. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Serowbot on 02/14/18 at 17:17:29 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
What have we been doing for the past 20 years?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/14/18 at 17:29:55 This list won't get shorter. Colorado went through this in one district that didn't even come close to finding funding, or answers: Whats the taxpayers cost and obligation if any to install metal detectors and arm teachers? Whats the liability when a former military person (Veteran) shoots the wrong person in a school? How often will training be required, where will it be, who will pay for it? How do we stop an active shooter from circumventing the metal detector by shooting staff running it? How do we stop an active shooter from shooting outside the school before and after class? How do we stop an active shooter from shooting school buses? Who pays for armed bus drivers and armored buses? Where do we store ammunition, how long can it stay in storage, where do we buy it from, how do we maintain chain of custody for impending lawsuits? What protections does the state provide legally for staff that kill someone? Will the school or the state assist with the defense or Civil cases? Will anyone? How do we replace staff unwilling to carry firearms? How do we address a student wrestling a firearm from a teacher? How do we address negligent discharge? How do we address protests, how do we pay for the PR staff needed to do this? How do we address parents pulling students to other districts, or bringing more into ours? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 18:08:04 27342C31342232550 wrote:
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 18:11:16 6E4E4C44594E2B0 wrote:
That's why arming teachers, etc. is an asinine idea. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 18:31:30 E, seriously, nobody is Demanding every teacher be armed. Students wrestling the gun away. How many teachers are assaulted? Seriously, answer that. If the kid tries to take a weapon, WHICH, BTW, he shouldn't even know Exists, then you better be ready to do what it takes to stop them. Storing ammunition? Seriously? It's not a military installation. Firefights rarely last more than a few seconds. You're Missing The point. Obviously the gun free zone isn't working. A few armed teachers and a public that knows the school isn't unprotected, and the notion that Someone can just walk in and start killing people will go away. I'D what they tried in Colorado or who they had advising them, but if you can't protect your school, it's not the random idiot at fault. Ever hear about this stuff happening where our elected representatives send THEIR kids to school? I WONDER why... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/18 at 05:48:25 No, I am not ‘back’ but curiosity killed the cat and I wanted to see the post related to the Florida shooting. First of all, facts matter. There have not been hundreds of ‘school shootings’ over the past year or even 18 this year. There has been one. This one. That’s all. Lumping a suicide by gun or a fight after class on school grounds where a gun was used is not a school shooting. That’s important because facts matter. The other is mentioning the NRA as if it's a person or a small group of people who somehow have control. They are a dues paying organization. Their voice is the voice of millions of their members. When you quote an NRA position, you should say millions of Us citizens say "......" because that's the reality. A well-run business for example deals with only the actual facts that matter, not ones blown out of proportion. To do otherwise means you’ll end up chasing rabbits and never get to the heart of the matter. Let’s keep that in mind. Trying to make progress on this issue or any issue, by starting with the presumption there has been hundreds of school shootings will lead to absolutely nothing. A list of the top 10 mass shootings have 4 schools listed. This one, University of Texas, Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech. Columbine doesn’t crack the top ten. However, and I found this interesting, of the top 30 mass shootings, 19 have occurred in the past 10 years. That’s a significant number. I suggest before you ponder this issue too much further, you buy the book Columbine by Dave Cullen. This writer had full access to the Columbine investigation and the background of the two kids involved. It is the most chilling book I’ve ever read. It’s an absolutely true statement, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. But disturbed individuals have two things now they didn’t have years ago. Easier access to semi-auto weapons and social media platforms used not to vent and get something off their chest, but the back and forth ultimately ends up fueling whatever hidden, dangerous rage exists inside them to their particular boiling point. Everyone’s boiling point is different but social media platforms and the wide range of information on the internet makes that point accessible where perhaps it wasn’t before. Columbine may have been an outlier since there really wasn’t an internet back then. The gun genie is out of the lamp. There are 300 million plus guns in the US with a shelf life of hundreds of years. My brother just bought and restored a Springfield trapdoor. When we fired that gun on new years day, as best as he could tell from researching the history of that single gun, it hadn’t been fired in 130 years, but it was just as deadly today as the last time it was fired. So it seems in my mind there are two main facets to this issue. Disturbed kids and the way they interact with society is the main one. The other is a growing number of accessible semi-auto firearms. Read that book and then formulate in your own mind steps could be taken. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/18 at 06:11:23 360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
Again, restricting access to guns is the only real effective step that can be taken at this point. If you think no - then tell us - how are the laws we have in place working so far? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/18 at 06:31:10 I should also add - on top of restriction of access, this country needs to prosecute gun felons to the greatest degree possible. A perfect example is the a$$hole who shot a Chicago cop this week - he was in and out of jail for gun crimes (armed assault, illegal possession, etc.) and yet he walked the street... It's sad that today, in many states, possessing marijuana will get you more jail time than possessing an illegal gun. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Trippah on 02/15/18 at 06:47:15 I enjoy firing a gun (except when I was in Vietnam - then it was adrenaline and fear) but sadly, my aim now sucks..I proved it last fall when at my daughter's house and shooting in her back yard with my S.I.L. But this whole crock of Shiite about 2nd amendment rights is total BS. Semi automatic weapons are meant to kill humans (and since I can't specify which, it is a bad thing). C'mon, we have had an invasion across the US/Mexican border according to Trump, and yet with what, 5 guns per American, we still need to build a wall. Hah..more BS. 5-6 rounds per weapon with manual reload, to slow down the nut job's killing would at least help (I'd prefer single shot but that would eliminate many great guns). The National Guard can operate ranges and storage facilities for all weapons more "lethal". If you need a ZSU -quad -4 to bag Bambi, you shouldn't be hunting. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/18 at 07:25:52 You're 100% correct Trip, guns are primarily made for killing people first, hunting animals second. And nowadays, hunting is, for the vast majority of our nation, a sport and not a necessity. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting rights or individual protection. The 2nd amendment is so the citizenry can fight off an abusive US government turning on it's people. That's all its intended for. Putting guns into the hands of the National Guard defeats that purpose. It would be very difficult if not impossible for the US to turn into North Korea. To many armed citizens would resist. That's the only purpose of the 2nd Amendment and it's as valuable to our nation as all the other Amendments. That's not to say that mass shootings and the few that happens at schools are the price we have to pay for this. That's a copout. What it says is mentally unstable people are able to metastasize their delusions into reality with nourishment from social media platforms coupled with easy access to the weapons necessary to protect the freedoms of this country. Focus our attention on the first, not the second. You should get that book I mentioned. I think you'd like it. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by verslagen1 on 02/15/18 at 09:57:10 This seems to be a back ground check issue. History of violence, no living parent, they didn't disclose when he purchased the ar-15. Are smoke grenades legal? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/15/18 at 10:16:46 2C323D3C312C372A580 wrote:
Well, T And T Garage, I will say, it is YOU, that have NO Idea what the NRA is, what/who, they represent, and what they do. You are, ONLY, Parroting the FEAR, you are TOLD to. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/15/18 at 10:31:27 On the subject: Wow! What a Bargain!! http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1518641107/1#1 T And T Garage wrote on Yesterday at 2:45pm: "... The hypocrisy is staggering. …” (this response is relevant to this subject) Would that be like, All those People that CRY, RACIST When the Terms; Getto, Slum, Section 8, $hit hole, are used in describing a place/people/area. Yet say, NOTHING, when the word, ‘Affluent’ is used to describe people. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by verslagen1 on 02/15/18 at 10:52:00 https://www.yahoo.com/news/grandmother-turns-teen-finding-mass-152359140.html |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/18 at 10:59:06 02243F2626373E560 wrote:
The second amendment was written by men who had just finished fighting for freedom from The Government. Hunting and self defense are considered normal by any natural person. The right and ability to throw off tyranny, through any means necessary, isn't so well understood by those who have become inculcated into the subservient attitude towards authority. That some fail to understand the Reason for the second amendment is no justification for people like me to stand quietly while they attack it. It's a Bill of Rights. It's not up to you to decide what I need. The FBI was alerted to this guy and failed. Couldn't be sure who he was. IOW, they saw it would take effort to trace the connection and figure out who he is. Armed teachers and staff, armed volunteers, Try it. You'll like it. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/18 at 11:01:13 'mon, we have had an invasion across the US/Mexican border according to Trump, and yet with what, 5 guns per American, we still need to build a wall. Hah..more BS. You presented THAT as an argument? And what would happen if people actually Stopped the invasion? Just because they aren't armed doesn't mean it's Not an invasion. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/15/18 at 11:08:25 T&T SAID: "... What universe do you live in?..." Then gave this sight as, 'Proof'. http://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5837/ Then stated, "...they were AT SCHOOLS!!! ..." First, will state something T&T has OFTEN said, " DID You READ It ?" Here are just 4, from Minn, Which I know about, because they were on local news. Non of them, were even Distantly, Remotely like or the same as what just happened in in Florida one. Not a SINGLE one of these, was a deliberate, premeditated act of violence, to others. But, never-mind, T&T is WELL adapt at spinning, and spreading, FEAR, through the, Spinning'. "A student unintentionally discharged a handgun inside of their dorm room, firing the bullet through the wall and hitting a student in the next room in the chest. The injured student was taken to a local hospital in critical condition for surgery, but was expected to survive. St. Paul Police announced they were investigating the incident. The University prohibits all weapons on school property." Yep, someone broke the Law? Have you ever driven over the speed limit ? Have you ever heard of a thing called a, 'accident'. ? "A school liaison officer was sitting on a bench talking with some students when a third-grader pressed the trigger on the officer's holstered weapon, causing it to fire and strike the floor. The holster was equipped with a trigger guard designed to prevent such accidental discharges, so the department is reviewing the circumstances surrounding the event. " A-Yep, this one, 'Someone' is NOT, telling the Truth. I Know that kind/mod firearm, and the Holster, and the ONLY way it could have been fired, is if the firearm was taken out of the Holster. (Just guessing the Police officers Lawyer told him to say: 'No Comment) "A 15-year-old boy shot and injured his 14-year-old girlfriend with a handgun, in a residence. The boy then fled to a nearby school parking lot, where he shot and killed himself. When law enforcement arrived at the residence, they found the female badly injured. She later told police that her boyfriend shot her unintentionally." A, suicide, in a school parking lot ???????? Is now a, 'School Shooting' That's just AW-SUM SPINNING, "A 27-year-old man shot himself in the library. Police had received a report that there was a potentially suicidal male on campus. When they arrived on the scene and confronted the man, he fatally shot himself." A, suicide, in a school library. ???????? Is now a, 'School Shooting' That's another case of just AW-SUM SPINNING. Then just for &hits and Grins, I looked at a bunch of others. A, 'room', 'parking lot, 'grounds', 'area', 'library', Were ONLY, connected, because of the word, 'school' ...something... was added. So that link, that site. "/everytownresearch.org', Is vary, Very, VERY, opinionated, on how, YOU, see the facts. (In non PC Terms, is called, LYING) |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/18 at 12:22:56 ;D ;D ;D I love it when bat$hit crazies call me out... How appropriate given the subject matter at hand. Go get help..... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/18 at 12:28:04 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
You sure are lucky to not have any kids in a school that's been shot up, huh? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/18 at 12:29:09 And things were going so well without Mr. Demands of Others Decorum. His Indian name, given to him by Pocahontas herself, Elizabeth Warren, MoaninWhininBitch who demands what he won't do, sure fits. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/15/18 at 17:48:09 "Armed teachers and staff, armed volunteers, Try it. You'll like it. " JoG can you hive some examples of this being done anywhere? We can just put volunteers in schools with guns where I come from. People are for the idea in CO to a degree but the mountain of obstacles is hard to get past. Is there anything more than just typing that it should be done that you know of? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/18 at 17:55:48 Obstacles? I'd be looking at Who is creating them. No, I have never seen any place actually Do what is so blazingly,obviously, the easiest and most viable thing. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/15/18 at 18:45:32 We can say its easy but saying it doesn't make it so. I can ask the local district to send me an official list and get it to you if you are willing to look it over and see if you know of any resources that mitigate the current laws and concerns. I'd be surprised if you actually thought the city can just easily purchase and hand firearms to volunteers legally, and without recourse. Or that volunteers can bring their own weapons onto school campuses as the laws stand now. I made a post earlier in this thread outlining some of the concerns by the way. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/16/18 at 14:41:13 312F20212C312A37450 wrote:
Ya Don’t have the first clue, In 1776, what did the word, ‘Regulated’ mean ? What did the word, ‘ Militia’, mean ? Do they mean the same thing today, as then ? Here’s a Clue, What did the word, Gay or Plunger, mean in 1776 What do they mean now ? “…Our president just rolled bad the restrictions on mental health and firearm ownership…” Will explain this again, Especially for the Troll, R e a d T h i s S l o w e y maybe you will get it this time. Their has ALWAYS been, ‘Mental Health’, restriction on possessing a firearm. And want the, ‘Wanna Be KING’, did, was use a BACK DOOR Tactic, for more, Gun Control. by declaring A HUDGE, number of people, “Mentally Ill”. BECAUSE, they had transferred their, financial, affairs to someone else. And because, bam-a, declared them, ”Mentally Ill”, they could not purchase/posses, a firearm. So, here is Mom and Pop, Sold the house, bought a Motorhome, and are driving around the country. They use their Cell Phone, and Credit Cards. They, ‘Assigned’, their, ‘financial’, affairs. To a trusted person, who has a, FIXED, address, (Remember, they are Traveling around, and don't know where they will be tomorrow), so the Bills for the Phone/cards, can come in the Mail, to one place, to be paid. Remember now, they are NOT, Mentally ILL, But the ‘Wanna Be King’, did a BACK DOOR, Gun Control, and by them, ‘assigning’ their, ‘financial’, affairs, to someone else. The ‘Wanna Be King’s’, BACK DOOR, Gun Control, INSTANTLY, made them, Mentally Ill. ONE MORE TIME. THAT, is what the Current POTUS overturned. STOP, Telling/Repeating, LIES, Stop spreading, FEAR, Just because you are TOLD TO ! This below, is from the, ‘Wanna Be King’. Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly payments are handled by others. A potentially large group within Social Security are people who, in the language of federal gun laws, are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease.”' Obama’s Social Security rule qualifies SS and disability insurance recipients, as “mental defectives,” and therefore incapable of legally owning firearms. The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others. If Social Security, which has never participated in the background check system, uses the same standard as the VA, millions of its beneficiaries would be affected. About 4.2 million adults receive monthly benefits that are managed by "representative payees." The move is part of a concerted effort by the Obama administration after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., to strengthen gun control, including by plugging holes in the background check system. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Trippah on 02/16/18 at 15:28:53 NO, not guns in teachers hands, NOT in students hands. My tour in Vietnam had five bullets zing by close enough to tug (as well as a 122mm rocket diamond shape piece of shrapnel nick my neck. My drunken hoochmate getting off from guard duty throwing his M-16 (with a round still in the chamber) was responsible for two of those bullets. (two times one round each) A fellow soldier on guard duty at the next compound sent a round at me because he was, as he later told me, nervous! A soldier in the next compound put two rounds in my close proximity from a guard tower before his unit shot him out of the tower, unfortunately he had gone whacko. AND this was in a organization that supposedly professionally taught its people when, where and how to shoot! I almost shot a vienamese youth riding up to the jeep I was in, as he had someone on the back holding satchel in his lap (one of our trucks had been bombed that way two days before. I chambered the first round, slapped the mag, flpped the selector to semi and aimed at the kids' heads while motioning them to stay back. If the guy on the back had twitched his arm, I would have killed them both, fortunately they changed their path and stopped at a store. No, if the pros can't get it right, and we have all seen the police video's where the cops saw someone reach, twitch etc and killed someone. JOG - if it comes time to rebel against the US government, having arms locked up at the local National Guard won't interfere as most of the guardsmen in any locale will be on the rebels' side. They'll open the doors and unlock the weapons....just as they would be doing7 days a week running the range citizens will be using to fire those types of weapons. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/18 at 18:00:58 WHAT do you think cops are, ? Some special kinda person? Most are just people who want a job. They have to be Trained to shoot. Yeah, teachers and guns, the janitor, for all I care. If they're mentally and physically capable of doing it, it's time. Former/retired cops and military can volunteer or be hired. Instead of cops sitting on the road waiting for you going 35 in a 30, they can spend time roaming the halls and campus. Just parking a cruiser front and back, and have teachers carrying, make it news for days that the school Is Not a gun free zone. Cops hang out at banks, they can damm sure protect our children. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Trippah on 02/17/18 at 07:36:07 As usual, u miss da point. Guns in stressful situations lead to accidental killing. Even with the "professionals" so why put our children at greater risk arming everyone in a school. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/17/18 at 07:52:07 587E657C7C6D640C0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/18 at 08:38:47 I guess that's why everyone in the secret service is unarmed, because protecting the elected representatives requires that. You're inverting reality and pretending you're smart. Look around. Nothing reflects the reality you are selling. And TT gives you the Big Plus One So not surprising. So separate from reality. You guys are actually serious here, right? It's not a joke? Really? Are you sure? You can say you were just joking. Try this You're the only adult. Fifteen eight year old kids and you, in a room. The door has no lock, and there is a man with a gun, going room by room, killing people. There is a pistol in the desk . You Take the pistol, order the kids to the back of the room, position yourself to be able to cover the door and wait, Or, You're so afraid of your inability to do anything right, you just wait for death Or You just shoot yourself.. What's your plan? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/17/18 at 09:37:23 So you really think schools can just start issuing guns to staff? What are your state laws regarding this? Where I'm from you can not just hand out pistols in schools, also you can not just budget tax dollars for the acquisition of firearms/ammunition and staff training. Its illegal to allocate education funds for reasons other than education. Can you provide a small mock-up of a tax plan that might fund something like this? |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/17/18 at 09:52:02 58787A726F781D0 wrote:
Why are you always asking, WHO, is going to Pay ????? I live in the Country, their are 3 towns around me, their is a school in each town. I KNOW, teachers in Each School, who Have guns, Shoot, are Skilled, And have Carry Permits. If asked, they would 'carry' and Defend. And NOT, Ask to be PAID !!!!!!! Guessing the people that want to be PAID, everytime they get up from a chair. Would most probably come from the long list of groups, I frequently post of. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/17/18 at 12:10:07 I ask who's going to pay because not everyone lives in the country with people they know who will volunteer to carry guns in schools. Legally where I am volunteers can not carry guns in schools. Its illegal, so to make it legal we need to change laws. Taxpayers that vote for these changes in law will want to know that "volunteers" (not ones you know, ones that live in literally everywhere else in the country) will be vetted. In TX they run a psych evaluation, but somebody pays for that evaluation. There's active shooter training, somebody pays for that. Somebody put together the paperwork that gets filed by the city and city workers get paid to maintain those records - taxpayers pay for that, so now we need volunteers to work for the city as well. That's great that where you live there's people you know that will roam schools for free and its legal but that doesn't apply where I live. So where I am we need to justify funding, the school near my house needs 14 armed persons per day to cover the grounds at 100 plus hours per week. We need to find 4 metal detector units to be donated, free training and maintenance and volunteer staff at 100 hours per week. We need to know who pays for the vetting process, the training and the legal protections for the District if a child gets killed by a volunteer. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/18 at 12:35:31 I'd bet the cops would gladly run a few teachers through the training. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/17/18 at 13:52:46 78585A524F583D0 wrote:
+1 |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/17/18 at 13:55:34 1E3E3C34293E5B0 wrote:
Too much realistic thinking there Eegore! ;) |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/17/18 at 14:04:23 "I'd bet the cops would gladly run a few teachers through the training." Who pays cops? Where is the facility? Who supplies ammunition police use? The taxpayer. We can not where I live use taxpayer dollars for anything people think up - there's a system and it is voted on. Police can "volunteer" to teach but that will violate the terms of their employment unless they are a certified instructor. I don't go to panels and write suggestions for local legislation with "I bet" as a method. I need actual numbers and actual people that can do the said work. We can not just have local police come teach people how to carry guns in schools because we think its a good idea, we need to follow laws. We need a budget. Say its "easy" all day long but for people actually out there doing the groundwork its a different story. Its much more involved than just typing it on a forum. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/18 at 15:30:06 It's being done in Texas.. Must not be impossible |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/17/18 at 15:38:50 Its not impossible, nobody I know has said that. In TX very few schools use the "School Marshall" program that the law provided. Its also not "easy", and from a logistics/cost perspective its not the most effective at this time where I live. The point is people want to say that they know people that would volunteer to walk schools with guns and consider it a closed deal... problem solved... when its not even close. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/18 at 15:45:19 Okay, maybe the big problem is obstacles . It should be a local issue. Whatever the people in the school system want to do. Elections exist for a reason. Let the people speak. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by MnSpring on 02/17/18 at 16:18:20 “…people want to say that they know people that would volunteer to walk schools with guns …” “…people you know that will roam schools for free…” Who said that above ? What I said, In Describing, TEACHERS, (To make it clearer, a Person, who, Teaches, has a Job Teaching, Is Employed Teaching) “… If asked, they would ‘carry' and Defend. And NOT, Ask to be PAID …” (Again, that would be, the People that are already paid and employed, as, ‘Teachers’) Would it be, hard or easy? One can work to Solve, or one can work to Hinder. From the posts, rather easy to see, Who is working, Hard, to MAKE it Hard. A Person hired to sweep the floors, can NOT, take a piece of tape off a wall, Because: “Not My Job, It’s Someones Else’s Job to take tape off a wall!” A Person hired to sweep the floors, takes a piece of tape off a wall, as he/she seeps the floor next it. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by Eegore on 02/18/18 at 19:53:34 "What I said, In Describing, TEACHERS, (To make it clearer, a Person, who, Teaches, has a Job Teaching, Is Employed Teaching) “… If asked, they would ‘carry' and Defend. And NOT, Ask to be PAID …” (Again, that would be, the People that are already paid and employed, as, ‘Teachers’) Would it be, hard or easy? One can work to Solve, or one can work to Hinder." So you mean to say they would carry without being paid "additional" wages because they have a firearm? It may be easy in some places, unfortunately in others there's laws that prohibit teachers from volunteering to carry guns. There needs to be legal change and a financial resolution. Again that's why I ask about where financial compensation exists. Saying its easy doesn't change the law and doesn't make it easy. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/18/18 at 21:20:12 The parents need to put pressure on the school board. Or, a governor can get smart and start the ball rolling. It's time for everyone to see what I saw the day they decided No Gun Zone signs are laughable. It's ridiculous, embarrassing to our society, to protect precious things and people with armed good guys, but our children are protected by a stupid SIGN. Well, except for a few places where adults have decided to arm the good guys. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by verslagen1 on 02/20/18 at 11:42:14 http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180220/eastern-ohio-school-board-votes-to-arm-some-staff-members |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/18 at 11:49:39 594A5D5C434E484A411E2F0 wrote:
Cool - they're gonna arm some teachers, but can't even update their website... I'm sure it's all good.... |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/18 at 12:15:14 They're busy doing important things. Getting teachers qualified and armed. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by JOEL2014 on 02/20/18 at 18:42:27 We have gun laws on the books already, we just need to enforce the laws we already have. Start making the punishments fit the crimes and we might see a change. Don't be so lenient on the criminals. Maybe a little eye for an eye is in order in our society. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/18 at 19:46:53 How will that stop crazies from killing people? The FBI was warned about this guy and did Nothing. No good guys with guns were at the school. Without force to meet force, the schools are vulnerable. |
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Title: Re: Just Another Day In The Country With The Most Post by JOEL2014 on 02/21/18 at 13:13:20 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
Copy that. |
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