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Title: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 10:34:44 um, what now? Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama, Democrats on Russia https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-obama-russia/index.html "Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump, after being criticized for his response to Russia's election meddling, challenged Attorney General Jeff Sessions to launch an investigation into the Obama administration for failing to do enough to stop the 2016 election foreign interference. ..." um, okay, so, could Obama have done more, probably. is it a crime that he didn't, don't see how. but sure, let's see what was known when. And really, how would Trump have reacted if Obama did more? Obama, the sitting president of the opposing party, declaring that Trump is supported by Russia... I mean Trump was already calling the election rigged... oh and before you all get to Clinton, yeah, sure, but that's already been part of the investigation, and again, getting info from a foreign power isn't really an issue, it may not be wise but it's not really the issue. It's then promising to relax sanctions if you get elected, and re-writing the party platform to be more lenient on that nation.. you know, the things we KNOW Trump and his campaign did. And this is how he acts when he wins.... going after his defeated competition. what class, no seriously where's this guy's self confidence? I thought I had low self-esteem, jeesh! |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by Serowbot on 02/21/18 at 10:40:52 Dear tRump,... just a reminder... You're President now. If Obama neglected some action against the Russians, maybe you should be doing it... Like NOW!... |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 10:45:58 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
He hasn't even enacted the hugely bi-partisan sanctions passed by Congress LAST YEAR yet. *sigh |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 11:05:06 He'll just tweet, point fingers and name call everyone else, and then declare his innocence. That's the kinda "man" he is. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/18 at 11:30:33 4069746B63746A7F4A6975724774726F7572060 wrote:
He hasn't even enacted the hugely bi-partisan sanctions passed by Congress LAST YEAR yet. *sigh[/quote] Bipartisan support for a mistake is still a mistake. Sanctions are an act of war. Both sides have been screwing America using the But, we came TewGether and put our differences aside crap to con Us for decades. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 11:49:13 594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote:
He hasn't even enacted the hugely bi-partisan sanctions passed by Congress LAST YEAR yet. *sigh[/quote] Bipartisan support for a mistake is still a mistake. Sanctions are an act of war. Both sides have been screwing America using the But, we came TewGether and put our differences aside crap to con Us for decades. [/quote] meddling in elections, even though they failed, they DID TRY to hack into voting machines. and we use sanctions all the time, Iran, N.Korea, China, etc... so don't give me that "sanctions are an act of war" crap. You know that's what the Dear Leader in North Korea is saying too right, "sanctions are an act of war" who's side are you on? America or Russia? and with the recent indictments by Mueller, they seem perfectly justifiable to me. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/18 at 11:56:56 failed, they DID TRY to hack into voting machines. First I've heard of that.. How we deal with Russia should be the same as NK? I'm not agreeing with that. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 12:26:50 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
considering Russia is more of a dictatorship like NK is... I think it's more than appropriate. and it's not my fault your head is up your own butt The Russians hacking has been on the news https://www.npr.org/2017/09/22/552956517/ten-months-after-election-day-feds-tell-states-more-about-russian-hacking "Only two state election security breaches last year have been made public so far. Hackers were able to gain access to the records of tens of thousands of voters in Illinois' centralized registration database, but there is no sign any records were deleted or changed. Russian hackers also gained access to the password and other credentials of a county elections worker in Arizona. Again there is no evidence that records were altered." https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/22/electronic-voting-state-hacking-russian-government-cyber-actors/ "On Friday, the Department of Homeland Security notified nearly half of the U.S. states that their election systems were targeted by Russia-affiliated hackers in an attempt to influence the 2016 election. In most of the states targeted, the hackers were engaged in preliminary activities like scanning. In other states hackers attempted to infiltrate systems and failed, but in a small selection of states, with only Illinois confirmed so far, the election systems were compromised successfully. According to Homeland Security, none of these attempts were aimed at the systems that actually tabulate the votes themselves." hey, even Fox covered it: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/top-dhs-official-says-russian-hackers-infiltrated-us-voter-systems-in-2016.html "U.S. intelligence official Jeanette Manfra told NBC News her department saw a small number of states where Moscow was “successfully” able to hack voters systems, despite there being no evidence that registration rolls were altered in anyway." http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/351981-dhs-notifies-21-states-of-they-were-targets-russian-hacking "Illinois and Arizona announced before the election that voter roles connected to the internet had been hacked by Russia." surprised you missed this: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/liberals-come-unglued-new-report-claiming-russian-hackers-targeted-21-states-voting-systems-no-breach/ now you know how to spin it "whatever that means." "“It’s really reconnaissance by a bad guy to try and figure out how we would break into your computer,” said Trevor Timmons, a spokesman for the Colorado secretary of state’s office. “It’s not an attack. I wouldn’t call it a probe. It’s not a breach, it’s not a penetration.” so.. just the tip then it's okay??? man, the Gateway Pundit really is a despicable piece of crap huh? might as well take everything Mother Jones reports as fact to get some balance in your life |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/18 at 12:34:28 Well, considering that ALL of that was while Obama was in office, and he was very quick to slap Trump for suggesting our system could be vulnerable to manipulation, I think an investigation into who knew what and when would be fine, don't you? |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 14:05:15 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
in my opening post I said: "um, okay, so, could Obama have done more, probably. is it a crime that he didn't, don't see how. but sure, let's see what was known when. " so yeah, that's fine, but pretending it's criminal... I don't buy that edit: and it's not that "he" (whoever that is) is quick to slap Trump for suggesting out system is vulnerable, it's that Trump has done NOTHING, to address that vulnerability. not even punishing those we know are at fault. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by verslagen1 on 02/21/18 at 14:23:46 133A27383027392C193A26211427213C2621550 wrote:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 15:00:14 2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 wrote:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html[/quote] so the confusion here is the word "rig" and let's address context. context first, this is not in the context of foreign manipulation. And Trump didn't mean it in the foreign manipulation context. did he? Trump meant the Democratic party rigging the election through its, interior to this nation, connections and maybe "bussing" in voters, illegal aliens, etc.. to sway the election. the word "rig" is very vague and allows people to read into it what they want. so now you get to think that applies here, but it doesn't |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by Serowbot on 02/21/18 at 15:07:38 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
You wanna' maybe investigate why tRump has done absolutely nothing in the past year about it?... |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 15:22:50 544750514E4345474C13220 wrote:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html[/quote] also, since none of the machines were actually hacked into and none of the tallies were changed or anything, Obama was right. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by verslagen1 on 02/21/18 at 15:30:31 2F392E332B3E33285C0 wrote:
You wanna' maybe investigate why tRump has done absolutely nothing in the past year about it?...[/quote] Since the 2 intrusions were the voter data base would you say that his voter fraud commission was "nothing". Again any investigation into pairing legal voters to actual votes have been stymied. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/21/18 at 15:44:36 4E5D4A4B54595F5D5609380 wrote:
You wanna' maybe investigate why tRump has done absolutely nothing in the past year about it?...[/quote] Since the 2 intrusions were the voter data base would you say that his voter fraud commission was "nothing". Again any investigation into pairing legal voters to actual votes have been stymied.[/quote] I was actually happy to see he did that voter fraud commission, so he could see for himself that's all BS, which is why he canned it. do you think he'd have stopped it if it was getting results that he liked? He could have overcome the lawsuits, you know, by NOT asking for our personal information. He could have asked for an audit or something for all the states to check and clear their voter rolls, you know in a nice, non accusatory way, if he could figure out how to do that. And since that's now being done by the Department of Homeland Security, I"m sure as soon as they find all this massive voting fraud, they'll ring all that alarms they can find. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 15:50:12 58716C737B6C726752716D6A5F6C6A776D6A1E0 wrote:
You wanna' maybe investigate why tRump has done absolutely nothing in the past year about it?...[/quote] Since the 2 intrusions were the voter data base would you say that his voter fraud commission was "nothing". Again any investigation into pairing legal voters to actual votes have been stymied.[/quote] I was actually happy to see he did that voter fraud commission, so he could see for himself that's all BS, which is why he canned it. ;D I loved that!! do you think he'd have stopped it if it was getting results that he liked? He could have overcome the lawsuits, you know, by NOT asking for our personal information. He could have asked for an audit or something for all the states to check and clear their voter rolls, you know in a nice, non accusatory way, if he could figure out how to do that. And since that's now being done by the Department of Homeland Security, I"m sure as soon as they find all this massive voting fraud, they'll ring all that alarms they can find. [/quote] ;D Great points! |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/18 at 08:06:28 7F564B545C4B554075564A4D784B4D504A4D390 wrote:
Nice spin. He wasn't getting any results... period. He canned the commission because they were ineffectual. I guess the ICE agents are cleaning up all the evidence for you by deporting them, after all, they did provide an address where to pick them up. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/22/18 at 08:11:42 362532332C2127252E71400 wrote:
Nice spin. He wasn't getting any results... period. He canned the commission because they were ineffectual. I guess the ICE agents are cleaning up all the evidence for you by deporting them, after all, they did provide an address where to pick them up.[/quote] keep on believing the lie... just stick with it. no need to actually deal with the truth. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/18 at 13:20:19 I don't believe it's over. I expect to see a shocking, for some, revelation in the next year. Understand, some places Issue drivers licenses to aliens. That's enough to register to vote. https://www.bing.com/search?pc=SOWI&form=AMZNS2&q=california+issues+licenses+to+illegals https://www.bing.com/search?q=california+registers+illegals+to+vote&FORM=QSRE1 |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by T And T Garage on 02/22/18 at 13:41:10 http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005535 |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/22/18 at 14:05:30 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
yeah, that's not how that works, look into it more https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/25/no-california-wont-automatically-register-illegal-immigrants-to-vote-breaking-view/ and https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/01/24/illegal-immigrants-may-soon-be-voting-in-california-thanks-to-a-brilliant-new-policy-n2438809 "When the California DMV begins the New California Motor Voter Program in April 2018, undocumented Californians can NOT register to vote. It is not possible," Jessica Gonzalez, spokesperson for the California DMV, told Townhall in an emailed statement. "DMV has programming measures to prevent that from occurring. One example is the technician is unable to enter information that would allow the undocumented customer to register. It is automatically greyed out and cannot be bypassed." |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by T And T Garage on 02/22/18 at 14:07:47 6C4558474F5846536645595E6B585E43595E2A0 wrote:
yeah, that's not how that works, look into it more https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/25/no-california-wont-automatically-register-illegal-immigrants-to-vote-breaking-view/ and https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/01/24/illegal-immigrants-may-soon-be-voting-in-california-thanks-to-a-brilliant-new-policy-n2438809 "When the California DMV begins the New California Motor Voter Program in April 2018, undocumented Californians can NOT register to vote. It is not possible," Jessica Gonzalez, spokesperson for the California DMV, told Townhall in an emailed statement. "DMV has programming measures to prevent that from occurring. One example is the technician is unable to enter information that would allow the undocumented customer to register. It is automatically greyed out and cannot be bypassed." [/quote] Couldn't have said it better myself! ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/18 at 14:10:06 While I think it's a good thing allowing illegals to have driving licenses, as some have been here in excess of 40 years. It's also a concern that not much goes into checking citizenship during the voter registration process or that it's not a very transparent process. Case in point, recently an illegal has been convicted for voter fraud and voted in several elections in texas. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by T And T Garage on 02/22/18 at 14:45:35 382B3C3D222F292B207F4E0 wrote:
The takeaway I get is that it was an illegal alien. Not multitudes. While yes, there is voter fraud on both sides of the aisle, it's not as rampant as many (mostly conservatives) believe. Certainly not the millions that our president seems to think there are. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/18 at 14:54:42 I'd like to know and stop it. Thanks for the update on how it works lost. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/18 at 15:15:44 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
The takeaway I get is that it was an illegal alien. Not multitudes. While yes, there is voter fraud on both sides of the aisle, it's not as rampant as many (mostly conservatives) believe. Certainly not the millions that our president seems to think there are. [/quote] Yet there are reports of voters cancelling their registration. Bot gets a nice voter reg card for his efforts. An audit should be as simple as birth records vs dmv records vs social security records even census data. You know there's some, but you'll turn a blind eye to it even in elections where 1 vote will affect the outcome. |
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Title: Re: Trump challenges Sessions to investigate Obama Post by T And T Garage on 02/22/18 at 18:01:00 6C7F6869767B7D7F742B1A0 wrote:
The takeaway I get is that it was an illegal alien. Not multitudes. While yes, there is voter fraud on both sides of the aisle, it's not as rampant as many (mostly conservatives) believe. Certainly not the millions that our president seems to think there are. [/quote] Yet there are reports of voters cancelling their registration. Bot gets a nice voter reg card for his efforts. An audit should be as simple as birth records vs dmv records vs social security records even census data. You know there's some, but you'll turn a blind eye to it even in elections where 1 vote will affect the outcome.[/quote] Me personally? No. I just don't buy into the "epidemic". |
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