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Title: NRA Post by thumperclone on 02/24/18 at 14:05:21 how is the nra so powerful ? I found these figures on various sites 247 mil adults in the us 55 >80 mil gun owners(don't know if this is registered owners or not) this means 22 > 36% of adults are gun owners where does the nra get its clout when nearly 2/3s of adults don't own guns.. $$$$?? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by raydawg on 02/24/18 at 14:08:33 Think if it like this...... The liberal stronghold of Hollywood, and New York City represents just a small amount of the overall population as well as land mass, of America, yet look how much enflunce and power the wield. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/18 at 14:50:51 Ray, does the NRA create Entertainment? Does the NRA produce movies? Who impacts America more? The NRA or Hollywood? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by raydawg on 02/24/18 at 15:45:33 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Jog, I think unbeknowningly you have just revealed the root cause of the dissention we find in trying to have dialogue today. You are weighing, pitting, or sertting up a scenario that we can only have one right answer. Yes, at times it’s a fact only one true answer exsist, but in this case, you can honestly answer that question, because a big mitigating factor to the answer is who you pose the question to. You see how they use verbiage in polls to get the desired results, is that mean the poll accurately gives a “true” answer to a topic? No, because it’s only a sampling, and based on who, where, etc, they queried, that is all it represents, to extend it and predict a greater outcome, is bogus, as the last election bears testimony to such. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by thumperclone on 02/25/18 at 06:21:37 5 mil NRA members have the cons so scared they wont act wtf are AR15s needed to feel free? how about a grenade launcher or a tank? where does the madness end... I was taught 1 shot 1 kill |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/25/18 at 06:58:19 687469716C796E7F707372791C0 wrote:
The nra knows its audience. Most conservatives live in fear of, well, pretty much everything. People of color, non-Christians, non-heterosexuals, science, young people (especially those that protest), the big bad government and anything else that isn't "one of them". However, one of their biggest fears is not having unfettered access to guns... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 07:42:57 Why the Gun hysteria? Why is it the guns fault? The GOVERNMENT you Worship Didn't do FUKKALL. The idiotic GUN free zone signs even failed. But it's THE GUN? Really? All you gun grabbers put a Sign in your yard Gun Free Zone You have exactly No idea how much safer society is Because Nobody Knows If that house is protected. Why ditch AR15s? What would that accomplish? Why would ANYONE think banning A Rifle Is a step towards some better society? Tell me, because I'm just shocked that someone believes that. Gee, what would someone do? Maybe get a Different Rifle? Really, Gun Free Zone signs may be dumber than anything, ever, but Ban AR15s is running right up there. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/25/18 at 09:16:08 Ahhh.. I love it when I'm proved right! :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 09:19:21 That you believe you've been proven right is telling. You don't have a clue about how to approach that. You got nothing. So, you run up, giggle, drop the Mic, and declare yourself the winner, But ZERO evidence, Zero rebuttal |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by raydawg on 02/25/18 at 09:33:41 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
Jog, when you have to broadcast it, well...... ;D |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 09:48:43 Why would ANYONE think banning A Rifle Is a step towards some better society? What would have happened if nobody ever sold the AR15s? Shotgun, 22, 30-30, Or Gee, I can't get a .223 that looks like a military weapon, so, I guess I won't kill people? Seriously? But I'm a bad guy, scared of the world, because I don't agree, NEVER agreed with, idiotic SIGNS to protect the kids and I don't agree with banning the style of gun the killer used. Change my mind. Explain WHY eliminating AR15S would make schools safer. Here's your chance to put a foot on my defeated, prone body and proclaim your victory. Actually Express your logical thought processes and Explain How it works. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/25/18 at 09:55:31 5C424D4C415C475A280 wrote:
Is that, JUST LIKE, when the, ULTRA-Liberals, Use, 'Fear’, to Accomplish something, ( A WELL, KNOWN Tactic by the ULTRA-Liberals) As shown in their Lying, Over and Over and Over again, when they say: “Their Has to Be Background Checks”. When their IS. (And the Failure, in the Florida Case, was NOT, the NRA, or the Gun Owners. It was SOMEONE ELSE ?) |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 09:58:34 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
The left point to reasonable thinking and label it Fear, in hopes that they can undermine logic and reason. The first thing they Do with that new car is throw away the spare tire. They aren't afraid. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/25/18 at 10:12:36 “…The left point to reasonable thinking and label it Fear, in hopes that they can undermine logic and reason. The first thing they Do with that new car is throw away the spare tire…” That is a GREAT Analogy ! However, I wouldn’t put it past a Troll, (as well as throwing away the Spare Tire), to, get rid of all the Smoke detectors in his house. Never have a Life Jacket in a Boat. (and MANY other things) Probably also drives with eyes, CLOSED. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 10:26:52 Thanks, I call it Critical Thinking, Unrestrained by emotional ties to an agenda. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/25/18 at 11:03:53 Digging through things on the net, found this place called; https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/25/theres-2-eff-ups-today-is-deltas-pr-team-trying-to-come-off-as-un-american-douche-rockets-or-what/ Seriously, it’s like Delta’s PR-team WANTED to make themselves look bad … we can see the conversation now: ‘Hey Bob, what can we do to make ourselves look like giant douche-rockets?’ ‘Hey Mike, I’ve got a great idea, we’ll treat legal gun owners like garbage AND deny the USA curling team who won gold, upgrades!’ ‘Wow Bob, that REALLY sucks, make it so!’ Yea it’s POV, but it's REALLY FUNNY !!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 11:59:19 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
The left point to reasonable thinking and label it Fear, in hopes that they can undermine logic and reason. The first thing they Do with that new car is throw away the spare tire. They aren't afraid. [/quote] Let's give the Deepest Thinkers the opportunity to EXPLAIN their alleged Thinking. Delta, douche bags extraordinaire. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 12:05:14 TC has gone into stealth mode, so I dropped him a line, asking for clarification. Subject: I'm confused, help me out.. Date: Today at 20:02:33 Explain Why eliminating One Style of rifle somehow protects the kids in our schools. It's what you suggested, surely you thought it through. Right? I'm sure he'll be along soon with a line of reasoning that will surely embarrass me. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by thumperclone on 02/25/18 at 13:09:44 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
1) not stealth mode I have a life outside this site 2)the AR15 is an assault weapon 3)my point still is why are they needed by the non military 4)I wouldn't bother trying to embarrass you.... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 13:22:44 Let me help you out. The Call for ditching the AR15S is because? Someone USED one to kill people In a School In a No Gun Zone. You want to eliminate them. How will THAT make defenseless children In a school Safer? Won't the next shooter just use a different Gun? How do YOU suggest the CHILDREN be protected? Is erasing Every AR15 from the face of the Earth going to do Anything? Explain how. A Frikken Ruger 22 would kill just as many. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by thumperclone on 02/25/18 at 13:58:54 read my posts I never said remove the AR im asking why civilians need them.... quit the bait and switch you are so famous for and answer the question |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 14:12:57 It's exactly the equivalent to remove it from Civilian access as far as school shooter events go. Who is doing the shootings? Cops? Military? Okay, so, remove ACCESS to the AR15s. Nobody who isn't military or police can get one and every one currently in the hands of civilians just disappears. Explain how that makes the defenseless children safe from every other gun out there. Bait and switch? Really? You can call my logic bait and switch? You're desperate. And losing. Bigly |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/25/18 at 15:02:23 7E627F677A6F78696665646F0A0 wrote:
“… I never said remove the AR I’m asking why civilians need them…." OK Got it. You did not say, ‘remove’ a certain firearm, yet you totally implied it by saying, “…why civilians need them…”. OK, Say, you are, favor of removing a certain Firearm, from, ‘civilians’. Would that be the same as someone saying: “I believe ALL RED Cars, should ONLY be used by, Fireman, No One else” (Positive a person could be found, that would say, NO ONE, needs a Chrome Gas tank on a Savage MC) You also stated: “… the AR15 is an assault weapon …” (Thought you said you were in the Military ?) The AR, 15 is NOT, a, assault Firearm. The AR-16, IS, a assault weapon. When you have the opportunity, to talk to a, “Tunnel Rat", Ask, did they prefer a AR-16, with a Bunch of clips, or something else? When they were faced with a situation, to dispatch as many people as possible, as quickly as possible. Again, it's NOT, a 'Gun', or a Association. that makes people evil. Any more than a 'Rainbow' Parade, makes someone Gay. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 15:11:23 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
I wouldn't want him to get lost and be unable to have the opportunity to rub my nose in my own foolishness. Here you go, TC. Here is your chance. How would you change things so the innocent, unprotected children would be made safer? Is removing the AR15S from civilian hands really gonna accomplish anything? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/25/18 at 17:33:55 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 18:09:09 What a response! I'm beaten! My best logic has Failed!!! Ohhh, the pain!!! Dumbshitt.. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 18:27:21 It's all on you. You tell me what should be done to make schools something that isn't a Free Kill Zone. I will even go along with the idea that SKS, AK47, AR15S, are all taken out of the hands of the People. Now, how do YOU suggest the schools be made safer for the kids? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by thumperclone on 02/26/18 at 04:22:07 cant answer my question :question asking more questions is not an answer |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/26/18 at 05:12:21 5C405D45584D5A4B4447464D280 wrote:
Your question has been answered numerous times. Yet I will do it again. “… why civilians need them…” (In reference to a type of firearm) Civilians need them, Just like; Civilians, need Red Cars & Trucks and Motorcycles. Civilians, need, red/blue/white/black/orange/green/etc/ tennis shoes. Civilians, need shirts/pants/dresses/socks/ties/eye glasses/etc. of many different colors & styles. Civilians, need, different kinds of Golf clubs. Civilians, also need chrome gas tanks on their MC. (And the List goes On , and on, and on, and on, …) I don’t Golf, but I am guessing their are, 100’s + Makes/Brands/Models, of Golf Clubs. Say One, of those, Makes/Brands/Models, was used in a horrific crime, (or crimes, because the MEDIA, and the ‘talk of banning’ them made them popular) Would their be a cry to BAN, ( OR Remove), that item from a certain group of people ? Or would their be a focus on that, Mentally Ill, person ? Does this POV, answer your Question ? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/18 at 05:22:40 Fine, I'll answer your question. Why do people NEED an AR15? They don't. They want them. They like them. And, barring legal issues, They have a right to own them. So what was the question about? You just want to see if someone could Need an AR15? If they never existed, the world would be unchanged. Other guns exist. It's a platform for the.223 which is a military round and very available. It's an easy shooting, light, and dependable weapon. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/26/18 at 08:15:31 564A574F524750414E4D4C47220 wrote:
C'mon Thumper... because they want them... just like I want a date with Sofia Vergara and want $20 million! ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/18 at 08:34:44 We have a right to the gun. And nobody has explained HOW eliminating the AR15 would make schools safe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) Ruger.. 22.. Continue to hyperventilate over The Gun And fail to address the Problem. No Gun Zone signs are worse than useless. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/26/18 at 09:13:15 223C33323F223924560 wrote:
Ya know, I would believe someone, can get a date with S.V., and some people do have, 20 Million. So glad to know, in YOUR world, one can, ONLY, have the things, YOU say they can have. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by LANCER on 02/26/18 at 21:24:23 2D312C34293C2B3A3536373C590 wrote:
I love grenade launchers, my favorite weapon of all I've ever fired. :) |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by LANCER on 02/26/18 at 21:28:40 3F212E2F223F24394B0 wrote:
The nra knows its audience. Most conservatives live in fear of, well, pretty much everything. People of color, non-Christians, non-heterosexuals, science, young people (especially those that protest), the big bad government and anything else that isn't "one of them". However, one of their biggest fears is not having unfettered access to guns... [/quote] Really ? ? Which conservative told you that ? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 06:12:28 0F020D0006115154630 wrote:
The nra knows its audience. Most conservatives live in fear of, well, pretty much everything. People of color, non-Christians, non-heterosexuals, science, young people (especially those that protest), the big bad government and anything else that isn't "one of them". However, one of their biggest fears is not having unfettered access to guns... [/quote] Really ? ? Which conservative told you that ?[/quote] No conservative told me that, but I can read, understand and see for myself. It's SOP in conservative tactics. The wall. Welfare warfare. Muslim terrorists "flooding the US". Everything bad is "because of the libs". "Out of my cold, dead hands". "Obama's not one of us". Fear of sharia law taking over the country. Fear of Obama care putting you in jail for not getting insurance. The "war on Christmas". The "war on Christians". The "war on family values". Fear based tactics are rampant in the conservative playbook. We used to wage war on poverty, not poor people. We used to create great things, now we're too cheap and scared to. The conservatives feel threatened that their way of life is dwindling away. It is, and the country will be better for it. IMHO |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 08:12:27 515C535E584F0F0A3D0 wrote:
The nra knows its audience. Most conservatives live in fear of, well, pretty much everything. People of color, non-Christians, non-heterosexuals, science, young people (especially those that protest), the big bad government and anything else that isn't "one of them". However, one of their biggest fears is not having unfettered access to guns... [/quote] Really ? ? Which conservative told you that ?[/quote] almost all of them, by the media they love, and the way they act, they are the original snowflakes, "how dare something change!!!" that's why you can usually tell the politics of a tv show or radio program just by listening to the tone of it, if it's all dramatic and acting like how crazy this world is and this world is going into the toilet.. that's conservative, sure, occasionally that happens on more extreme liberal shows, but, those are rather rare... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/18 at 08:34:08 Everything is fine. No problems. Nothing can go wrong. The economy is sound. It's Not Ever gonna get bad. There will be no bad things happen. This is America. Don't live in FEAR! Never have food in the house for more than a weeks worth of supplies. That's what Scared people do. Don't buy fire extinguishers to put around the house and shop. That's what SCARED people do. Don't carry tools on your bike. See? They try to make common sense look like fear, so they can stand above it all. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by Trippah on 02/27/18 at 09:00:50 I was reading an interesting article about the drying up of the land between the Tigres and Euphraties Rivers, once well irrigated and fertile land. Wonder where all the Syrians will end up if this continues; ps: same-same on the Indian subcontinent. Imagine when/if that humongous population needs to relocate! Bollywood replaces Hollywood? ;) There, something else for you to worry about. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 09:13:32 19302D323A2D332613302C2B1E2D2B362C2B5F0 wrote:
I think you're mistaking tv/radio for real life. conservatives are really hard to rile up so hense the drama. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/18 at 09:29:07 People who are prepared aren't scared. I don't know any conservatives whose first response to someone saying something is Gluteal Inflammation, hereafter referred to simply as butthurtedness. Anger is a result of feeling out of control. Feeling powerless. Feeling vulnerable. Think about the great kings. They stayed focused. I don't let children play with matches, Is that fear? Or just good sense? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 11:01:25 2F3C2B2A35383E3C3768590 wrote:
I think you're mistaking tv/radio for real life. conservatives are really hard to rile up so hense the drama.[/quote] LOL - really? So your boys hannity, rush and o'reilly aren't speaking for the conservative masses? Funny! Oh let's not forget crazy alex jones in that mix too! ;D |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 11:19:49 495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote:
I think you're mistaking tv/radio for real life. conservatives are really hard to rile up so hense the drama.[/quote] but yet, you support that media... it's a reflection of your true self. and no, conservatives aren't really hard to rile up, they freaking boycott Coke or Budweiser for making a superbowl commercial they don't like, they've boycotted Home Depot or Lowe's for having an ad during a "gay friendly" tv show, they throw a fit over making a cake for someone who's lifestyle they don't agree with, they sue over having to pay for birth control through their insurance for someone else (maybe that's just their greed...) ask any homosexual who's come out to their conservative parents, who loved them for all that time until they came out, then disowned them above all, they praise "telling it like it is" regardless of how rude or vile that is. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/27/18 at 11:32:27 The nra knows its audience. Most conservatives live in fear of, well, pretty much everything. People of color, non-Christians, non-heterosexuals, science, young people (especially those that protest), the big bad government and anything else that isn't "one of them". However, one of their biggest fears is not having unfettered access to guns... [/quote] And the biggest fear of the Liberals would be to loose their right to murder their children........ |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 11:34:37 5178657A72657B6E5B7864635665637E6463170 wrote:
I think you're mistaking tv/radio for real life. conservatives are really hard to rile up so hense the drama.[/quote] but yet, you support that media... it's a reflection of your true self. and no, conservatives aren't really hard to rile up, they freaking boycott Coke or Budweiser for making a superbowl commercial they don't like, they've boycotted Home Depot or Lowe's for having an ad during a "gay friendly" tv show, they throw a fit over making a cake for someone who's lifestyle they don't agree with, they sue over having to pay for birth control through their insurance for someone else (maybe that's just their greed...) ask any homosexual who's come out to their conservative parents, who loved them for all that time until they came out, then disowned them above all, they praise "telling it like it is" regardless of how rude or vile that is. [/quote] It seems that everything a hard line conservative points a finger at and condemns - is something they themselves have done. LOL . |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 12:11:51 0F112A2B322E273B420 wrote:
And the biggest fear of the Liberals would be to loose their right to murder their children........ [/quote] REALLY? yeah, again with the whataboutism... but yeah, the right to privacy and the right to control one's OWN body,are rather important, there is a science behind it, there's a reason we celebrate birthdays, not conception days |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 12:35:17 001E25243D2128344D0 wrote:
So... a fetus that can't sustain itself outside the womb is now a child? Got it... ::) But not to get off track - this is a thread about the nra, not legal abortion. Understand? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/27/18 at 13:04:41 [color=#0000ff]So... a fetus that can't sustain itself outside the womb is now a child? A fetus is not intended to live outside a womb until it's time, But it certainly will not be able to sustain itself or become a child when you reach inside it's natural environment and use assault weapons to rip it's arms and legs off, or drill a hole in their heads and suck their brains out. Your moral outrage against the NRA and school shootings is without integrity if you accept the wholesale slaughter of over 2,000 children per day. I do not believe you or your new intern have any moral high ground to stand on in the debate on what to do to prevent children from dying. Still Love you, but like I have said the so called Progressive Ideology destroys everything. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/18 at 13:19:54 Well stated, Shipley. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 13:24:06 5C427978617D7468110 wrote:
No, I think your theory is flawed. A human fetus is no more a child than a bovine one - at certain stages of development. For the record, I'm against late term abortions if the mother's health is not in danger. But again, I'm not gonna debate this here. You want to debate abortion - do it on your own thread. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 13:29:50 0029342B23342A3F0A2935320734322F3532460 wrote:
What do I do to support such media? I'd like to hear. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/18 at 13:30:33 That unborn child must be something. Kill a pregnant woman and you're charged with TWO counts of murder... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 13:32:26 69774C4D5448415D240 wrote:
no, you don't love him, quit lying. you think him and people who think like him are destroying everything. that's like that BS saying "love the sinner, hate the sin" the sin wouldn't exist without the sinner so you are really only hating bottom line, you can't force a woman to sustain another life with her OWN body. I can't force you, or any other human, to act as a living incubator for anyone else, even if it's the only way of keeping them alive. YOU have the right to say NO. same thing goes for women and their bodies, they have the right to say no. the fetus has no more right to life than any of your clone-able stem cells, they both have the same potential for life if treated right and your moral outrage against abortion is without integrity if you aren't also urging your politicians to make adoption and other options much more readily available and fully funded. So when you keep voting for people who cut and hack and slash the budgets of CPS and government agencies that help with housing and foster care and all that to make sure that those children are correctly raised and treated well, instead of how they are often abused and used for money, then you don't get to sit here and preach your morality to us. and again START YOUR OWN D@MN THREAD ABOUT ABORTION IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT!!!!! one more whataboutism ... what a waste of time |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 13:33:21 495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote:
What do I do to support such media? I'd like to hear.[/quote] I don't know you, so idk... what did you do? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/27/18 at 13:42:05 [color=#0000ff]No, I think your theory is flawed. A human fetus is no more a child than a bovine one - at certain stages of development. And there lies the problem: If we adults (perhaps that is an assumption I should not make) do not believe that Life is sacred then why do we expect our children to believe that. If this thread is about stopping the killings then it starts with our worldview on life itself. The problem is not guns. The problem is that life has become cheap, with no purpose or meaning. We are no more important than the bovine.... so why not just kill people too.... after all if there is no consequences or justice for the life we live then what is the difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa? This is the result of the Progressive Worldview... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 13:51:34 0C122928312D2438410 wrote:
Typical, conservative, mindset. You have no idea what the progressive mindview is. Don't try and sell your brand here - I'm not buying. Oh, and again - if you want to debate abortion - then start your own thread. Kids killing kids with guns is not even close to being the same thing. Oh yeah... but you love me...... ::) |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 13:54:02 527B66797166786D587B67605566607D6760140 wrote:
What do I do to support such media? I'd like to hear.[/quote] I don't know you, so idk... what did you do? [/quote] I read yahoo like TT. I live in Kalifornia, anti gay is not shown. TV? news, a couple of shows, watched fox once, aka amateur time in LA. Cake? it's not about the cake, it's about forcing someone to be subservient to you. They could've gone and did go to the gay baker down the street. I suppose you are trying to tell it like it is, but it's rude and vile to make those assumptions. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 14:06:41 6D7E6968777A7C7E752A1B0 wrote:
What do I do to support such media? I'd like to hear.[/quote] I don't know you, so idk... what did you do? [/quote] I read yahoo like TT. I live in Kalifornia, anti gay is not shown. TV? news, a couple of shows, watched fox once, aka amateur time in LA. Cake? it's not about the cake, it's about forcing someone to be subservient to you. They could've gone and did go to the gay baker down the street. I suppose you are trying to tell it like it is, but it's rude and vile to make those assumptions.[/quote] what assumptions? those are real things that happened. I live in Texas anti-gay IS SHOWN and proud of it. If you can keep Fox News in perspective, that's fine, there are many that take it as gospel though yeah, being subservient, vs refusing to serve even though that's your stated business, you aren't good enough for us to serve you. assumptions are part of life. you thinking I"m being rude is your assumption, trust me, I've been nice to you, just ask JOG, you've read me on here, you know how much of an @SS I can be and if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander, so I get to tell it like it is just as much as any conservative |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 14:25:04 745D405F57405E4B7E5D41467340465B4146320 wrote:
Kalifornia is so far left it's threatening to tear it's self off the continent. 10,000 micro quakes at the top of bay of california occur every time obama visited. I expect it will tear in two when trump visits. You haven't been following the baker other than talking points have you. He offered them a plain wedding cake (what ever that is) just not to their design. That's refusing service. He also doesn't do halloween either but you still can buy a plain cake from him then too. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 15:00:14 160512130C0107050E51600 wrote:
Kalifornia is so far left it's threatening to tear it's self off the continent. 10,000 micro quakes at the top of bay of california occur every time obama visited. I expect it will tear in two when trump visits. You haven't been following the baker other than talking points have you. He offered them a plain wedding cake (what ever that is) just not to their design. That's refusing service. He also doesn't do halloween either but you still can buy a plain cake from him then too.[/quote] well EXCUUUUUUUSSEE MEEEEE for not knowing every little detail about every little thing!!! |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 15:21:25 WICTORY! 8-) |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 15:31:47 392A3D3C232E282A217E4F0 wrote:
I'll give that to you on the side bar whataboutism, not the thread. so, can we get back to the point now? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/27/18 at 17:05:24 [color=#0000ff]Typical, conservative, mindset. You have no idea what the progressive mindview is. Don't try and sell your brand here - I'm not buying. Typical Progressive mindset. You have no idea what the conservative mindview is. Don't try and sell your brand here - I'm not buying. If we are not having discussion and sharing views and opinions then why does this forum exist? Or does it only exist for progressive views? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/27/18 at 17:20:00 5C7568777F6876635675696E5B686E73696E1A0 wrote:
no, you don't love him, quit lying. you think him and people who think like him are destroying everything. that's like that BS saying "love the sinner, hate the sin" the sin wouldn't exist without the sinner so you are really only hating [color=#0000ff]This statement is an expression of your world view not mine. I be laid all humans deserve love and respect no matter what they think. bottom line, you can't force a woman to sustain another life with her OWN body. I can't force you, or any other human, to act as a living incubator for anyone else, even if it's the only way of keeping them alive. YOU have the right to say NO. same thing goes for women and their bodies, they have the right to say no. You are right, I can not force her. It is not an issue of law, but an issue of the heart. But it is a huge statement on what our culture says about the value of life. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 18:23:43 MShipley I answered your above post in the thread where it belongs. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by verslagen1 on 02/28/18 at 07:32:35 shippy, unless you discuss their point your point is invalid, even though they themselves can reference other points if it validates their point. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by old.indian on 02/28/18 at 08:15:59 NRA.... And Why am I a "gun owner"....One sport I enjoy is Trap Shooting...So I own shotguns... When I moved to New Mexico I was given a chance to hunt. So I own a 30-06. The widow across the street was moveing and I bought her .22s . Since I moved to this community there have been FIVE murders within 1/2 mile of my front door. Within the last 12 months there have been multiple breakins and assults in the area. Drugs and property crime are rapent. Police response time is iffy at best... Law enforcement is "political" .... I am 75 yeasrs old and I doubt if I could deal with three or four assalents in hand to hand by myself. SO I have to resort to assistance via a firearm. And yes, I do have trainning... six years as a Marine 0311 with 2 tours in beautiful SE Asia..... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 08:37:43 392A3D3C232E282A217E4F0 wrote:
If you reference another issue that uses the same logic, as an example, they turn up their noses and call it Whataboutism. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/28/18 at 10:09:01 32213637282523212A75440 wrote:
My fault, I forget that the Progressive Worldview is not actually interested in resolving issues. Why is the NRA so powerful? Thats easy, they stand on the side of the average American citizen. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/18 at 10:52:58 150B303128343D21580 wrote:
My fault, I forget that the Progressive Worldview is not actually interested in resolving issues. Why is the NRA so powerful? Thats easy, they stand on the side of the average American citizen. [/quote] They do? How? If that were the case, you think they'd spend more money on safety courses, firearm education and the like. Nope - most of their money goes right to lobbying... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 10:59:36 That's a great idea. If they spent a few million dollars offering free safety and shooting classes, they would build support for the NRA and the second amendment, which would create the same or better political power that would influence the politicians to vote in support of the interests of that base. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/28/18 at 11:59:24 6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:
My fault, I forget that the Progressive Worldview is not actually interested in resolving issues. Why is the NRA so powerful? Thats easy, they stand on the side of the average American citizen. [/quote] They do? How? If that were the case, you think they'd spend more money on safety courses, firearm education and the like. Nope - most of their money goes right to lobbying... [/quote] kinda like Planed Parenthood? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/28/18 at 12:20:03 322C23222F322934460 wrote:
WOW, Just WOW. Ya don’t have the First Clue about all that the NRA does. All their skill classes, and SAFETY Classes and Programs. All you can do, Is PARROT, what you are TOLD to say. As Evidenced by your absolute, REFUSAL to clarify a topic. But ya know what, I won’t call you, “Bat $hit Crazy”, Just a TROLL, who can only, Regurgitate, what he/she is, TOLD to say ! OR, is it that you are, INTENTIONALLY LYING ? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/28/18 at 12:24:02 “kinda like Planed Parenthood?” P.P. TAKES, YOUR, money, Your Tax dollar. YOU have NO Choice. The NRA’s money, is, GIVEN, money by donations & Memberships. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/18 at 12:33:34 574972736A767F631A0 wrote:
No, not like that at all - you really should research before you post: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000591 Now, if you're too lazy to actually go to those sites, let me educate you. Planned Parenthood's revenue is roughly $1.3B. In 2017 they spent roughly $1.38 million on lobbying. Last time I checked, 1 million is one-thousandth of a billion. What say you now? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 12:36:20 5A454344595E6F5F6F57454902300 wrote:
What's the matter with that? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MShipley on 02/28/18 at 13:43:43 372926272A372C31430 wrote:
No, not like that at all - you really should research before you post: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000591 Now, if you're too lazy to actually go to those sites, let me educate you. Planned Parenthood's revenue is roughly $1.3B. In 2017 they spent roughly $1.38 million on lobbying. Last time I checked, 1 million is one-thousandth of a billion. What say you now? [/quote] Actually you are right, it is a bad comparison. As MnSpring points out the NRA is a private entity that exist solely on the donations of it's supports whom expect them to lobby the government to protect the rights of the people. Planed Parenthood is supported by the taxpayers against many of their will for the purpose of destroying life and should not be allowed to spend ANY of the taxpayers money on lobbying. The sad thing is conservatives and liberals are all just as disturbed about the killings. We just have different approaches to fixing it, but since everyone wants to draw a line in the sand for their team nothing gets done. If we don't start putting forth flags of truce and actually start working together the killings will continue. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 13:55:31 The sad thing is conservatives and liberals are all just as disturbed about the killings. We just have different approaches to fixing it. What the left call Common Sense Isn't. Why is EVERYTHING that is precious protected by Something just a bit more real than a Frikken SIGN? And my post goes unaddressed Again... |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 13:57:08 5A454344595E6F5F6F57454902300 wrote:
What's the matter with that? [/quote] I guess taking it to the Logical Conclusion is not in line with the goals. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/18 at 14:49:32 150B303128343D21580 wrote:
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/28/18 at 15:20:09 08162D2C3529203C450 wrote:
My fault, I forget that the Progressive Worldview is not actually interested in resolving issues. Why is the NRA so powerful? Thats easy, they stand on the side of the average American citizen. [/quote] no, they don't, they don't even stand on the side of their own members. After Sandy Hook, America (including NRA members, obviously) wanted to do something, we could have had this discussion then, but the Republicans and the NRA denied it. also, despite what they say, the NRA is the reason the background check system is so flawed. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by thumperclone on 02/28/18 at 15:22:48 SO back to my original post NRA has 5 mil members they don't (according to them) support any candidates they do rate them tho how can less than 5% of us dictate policy?? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/18 at 15:48:57 273B263E233621303F3C3D36530 wrote:
Thank you for getting it back on track! Like I said before - it's fear. The image of Charlton Heston comes to mind, making a big statement by holding up a rifle at a rally and saying "out of my cold, dead hands". Those kinds of statements rally the conservative base. Look at the fervor that they defend the right to own (pretty much) any firearm they want. It's sad. But it's not just the nra membership, it's the pablum they feed the (mostly scared) conservative masses. "Oh, but we have to fight tyranny"... pffft - yeah right... What tyranny? Not enough conservative cable channels? Too many of "them gays"? I'd probably be right in saying that most of the people on this entire board (not just the Tall Table) have never known hunger or homelessness. You want to see tyranny, move to the Middle East. No, strike that - go live in Wells and Goodfellow in St. Louis or Englewood in Chicago... But to give credit where credit is due - the nra has fantastic lobbyists. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 16:03:03 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
What's the matter with that? [/quote] What's the matter? Too original for you? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 16:05:15 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
I guess logic isn't your strong point.. Can't argue with my point? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/28/18 at 16:19:45 756B646568756E73010 wrote:
What is your, version of, 'gun control', (I know it is not a firm grasp, to better aim with) What is, YOUR, version. How many Times have I asked ? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/28/18 at 16:26:36 7E5D6043415A5D54330 wrote:
What is your, version of, 'gun control', (I know it is not a firm grasp, to better aim with) What is, YOUR, version. How many Times have I asked ? [/quote] I'm actually kind of pleased with the direction Trump outlined today. he actually emphasized better, stronger background checks along with better security at schools and other vulnerable targets and raising the age for gun purchases ( I think that's a bit presumptuous but it'd only limit some guns so not terrible) |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 16:41:07 By 495650574A4D7C4C7C44565A11230 wrote:
What's the matter with that? [/quote] What's the matter? Too original for you? [/quote] WTF? |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 16:42:27 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
I guess logic isn't your strong point.. Can't argue with my point? [/quote] I thought all you lefties were smart.. But none of you want to say anything.. Gee, how surprising. |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 02/28/18 at 18:17:51 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
From one of the, Favorite Liberal web sites, comes this: "The 3 percent figure that Planned Parenthood uses is misleading, comparing abortion services to every other service that it provides. The organization treats each service — pregnancy test, STD test, abortion, birth control — equally. Yet there are obvious difference between a surgical (or even medical) abortion, and offering a urine (or even blood) pregnancy test." So the Liberal 3%, , (Which had been repeated over and over and over) Is just as wrong as the 93% stated ONE time, in a speech. YET, PP, is VERY Quiet about it. Here are some facts: 323,999 abortions were performed in 2014 by PP That's 886 a DAY, and Just PP. Total from other doctors/clinics, about, 1,780 a DAY. A DAY Even using the total, LIE, of a figure, the Anti-Gun, LIBERALS say. GUN deaths are 82 a DAY. (Think that is mostly in Chicago) The REAL Figure is more like 38 a day. That's 1,740 MORE, Deaths KILLING a Baby, by abortion, than by firearms. To compare, that is about 3,560 Deaths by Car/Truck/MC PER DAY ! DEATH, per DAY, BY ...: Cars = 3,560 per DAY Abortion = 1,788 per DAY Guns = 38 Per DAY |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 18:26:34 What a fascinating ASSemblage of geniuses |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by tom3215 on 03/01/18 at 13:31:03 Heck, here in Wisconsin, every home has at least 5 guns and a thousand rounds of ammo. If some one doesn't have a firearm, people think its a bit odd. ;) Tom3215 Wisconsin |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by MnSpring on 03/02/18 at 10:48:59 A few more to list: DEATH, per DAY, BY …: Heart Disease = 7195 per DAY Cars = 3,560 per DAY Abortion = 1,788 per DAY Cancer = 1621 Per DAY Respiratory failure = 403 Per DAY Stroke = 364 Per DAY Diabetes = 209 Per Day Pneumonia = 151 Per DAY Suicide = 115 Per DAY (Which includes, Falling, {jumping}, Poison, {overdose}, guns, cars) Guns = 38 Per DAY Falling = 32 Per DAY (Which included, Steps Ladders, Scaffolding, Bathrooms) Just for S’s&G’s. Falling Coconuts = .40 a Day Falling out of Bed = 1.2 a Day Vending Machine tipping over = .03 a Day Scalding Tap Water = .10 a Day Horse Drawn Transportation = .32 a Day The Alcohol, Tobacco, Drugs, are included in the above death figures, as those items, induced the things listed. (Like Cancer is linked most to Smoking) Interesting tidbit I encountered: "Many people are afraid of moving or traveling to New York City due to the crime rates — fearful that they could be murdered. In actuality, more people in NYC die from suicide each year than from homicide.” (Wonder what that is in Chicago ?) - - - - - - - - - 5A794467657E7970170 wrote:
From one of the, Favorite Liberal web sites, comes this: "The 3 percent figure that Planned Parenthood uses is misleading, comparing abortion services to every other service that it provides. The organization treats each service — pregnancy test, STD test, abortion, birth control — equally. Yet there are obvious difference between a surgical (or even medical) abortion, and offering a urine (or even blood) pregnancy test." So the Liberal 3%, , (Which had been repeated over and over and over) Is just as wrong as the 93% stated ONE time, in a speech. YET, PP, is VERY Quiet about it. Here are some facts: 323,999 abortions were performed in 2014 by PP That's 886 a DAY, and Just PP. Total from other doctors/clinics, about, 1,780 a DAY. A DAY Even using the total, LIE, of a figure, the Anti-Gun, LIBERALS say. GUN deaths are 82 a DAY. (Think that is mostly in Chicago) The REAL Figure is more like 38 a day. That's 1,740 MORE, Deaths KILLING a Baby, by abortion, than by firearms. To compare, that is about 3,560 Deaths by Car/Truck/MC PER DAY ! DEATH, per DAY, BY ...: Cars = 3,560 per DAY Abortion = 1,788 per DAY Guns = 38 Per DAY [/quote] |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by T And T Garage on 03/05/18 at 11:45:09 Yes, nraTV is a thing... For those of you in a hurry, just start watching from about 12:50 or so. It's as funny as it is scary. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEcbagW4O-s[/media] |
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Title: Re: NRA Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/18 at 11:56:14 That you think that's relevant is telling. I'm a social guy. I talk to strangers. I've Never been around anyone who said stuff like that.that's Frikken retarded. |
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