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Title: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 09:12:50 Exposing Crony Capitalism Georgia Republicans threaten to stop Delta tax break over NRA decision http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/26/news/companies/delta-nra-georgia-republican/index.html Casey Cagle [ch10004] @CaseyCagle I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/18 at 09:18:14 That's not inside the definition of crony capitalism. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 09:34:02 the definition: Crony capitalism is an economy in which businesses thrive not as a result of risks they take, but rather as a return on money amassed through a nexus between a business class and the political class. this is a textbook example of it. Delta did something that the politicians don't like, so now the politicians are punishing Delta, when they were totally happy rewarding them before. looks like a shakedown to me. it goes both ways |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by T And T Garage on 02/27/18 at 11:09:25 476E736C64736D784D6E7275407375687275010 wrote:
Well put! It's amazing how many conservative thinks that this type of behavior is just fine.... http://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-state-official-says-kill-211700302.html A POS state senator has such little regard for his job that he goes and threatens a company with taxes? Lost - can you just imagine if any democrat had even thought about something like that???? The cons' heads would explode!! But check this out: Mr Cagle also tweeted: "Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back." A statement from the airline on the matter of ending the discount said: “Delta’s decision reflects the airline’s neutral status in the current national debate over gun control amid recent school shootings. Out of respect for our customers and employees on both sides, Delta has taken this action to refrain from entering this debate and focus on its business. Delta continues to support the 2nd Amendment.” Yeah, 'nuff said. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/18 at 13:27:18 The airline had a deal with NRA members. They decided to not continue that arrangement. All well and good. That's their right. The airline was getting tax breaks from a place. The place decided that if the airline wouldn't continue with their NRA arrangement, they wouldn't continue to cut the airline a break. Exactly NOTHING THERE that is crony capitalism. Nothing. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 13:48:48 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
Crony capitalism is an economy in which businesses thrive not as a result of risks they take, but rather as a return on money amassed through a nexus between a business class and the political class. again this business is now having their financial success being threatened because they took a political stance that the local politicians don't like. This business is no longer thriving as a result of the risks they took, but are now threatened by the association it has taken with a political class. I literally used the definition, without twisting it around one bit and spelled it out politicians are messing with this business wanting to alter their behavior to get them to contribute (via discounted rates) to a group that donates HEAVILY to those politicians, it's a round about bribe, the NRA donates to these politicians to keep their interests profitable, the NRA is PAYING these politicians to keep the NRA in a positive light. the NRA is the crony here. Delta is the victim. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 14:08:21 So, GA doesn't give Delta a tax break to have their headquarters there? Doesn't that have to do with jobs? And Delta doesn't give NRA members a discount to encourage business and free ads? What percentage of NRA members are there in GA? A corporate victim? is that a oxymoron? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 14:20:51 312235342B2620222976470 wrote:
if Georgia, as a state, voted on it, then that is what it is, but because the REPUBLICAN government of Georgia is holding this as leverage to make Delta do something to appease REPUBLICAN sponsors, so that the NRA can attract more members by offering discounts as a benefit, the GOVERNMENT is interfering in a business relationship between the NRA and Delta |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 14:31:56 Do I go to AAA cause I get discounts? No. Why would anyone go to NRA that didn't shoot? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 14:49:33 302334352A2721232877460 wrote:
what's that have to do with anything? getting discounts adds value to the membership. it helps them get MORE shooters and helps Delta get more flyers. If one of them, for whatever reason wants to cancel that arrangement, the GOVERNMENT shouldn't step in and say no, you can't do that, we're going to punish you for that. Let's say this was the other way around. Let's say that the NRA wanted to stop the arrangement because Delta threw one gun owner off of a plane because of whatever. Would it be okay for the GOVERNMENT to tell the NRA, on no, you have to keep this as a benefit... of course not |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by verslagen1 on 02/27/18 at 15:20:12 So it wasn't possible for the nra to ask the govt to give delta a tax break either? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/27/18 at 15:45:12 6A796E6F707D7B79722D1C0 wrote:
what? sure, that's possible, but not necessary here's how it works, as I've explained like 20 times already. the NRA donates big time to the Republicans, the Republicans support the NRA (aka, are paid to support them). Delta "hurt" the NRA by no longer offering a discount that added value to NRA membership. the Republicans, wanting to support their big time donors (the NRA) and keep the money coming (aka, giving the NRA what they've paid for) retaliate against Delta reneging on a deal they had with Delta that had NOTHING to do with the NRA until now. so the Republicans are retaliating based on Delta's POLITICAL action, nothing else. Republicans are trying to coerce Delta to act how they want them to instead of how Delta feels best. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by oldNslow on 02/27/18 at 19:57:42 Quote:
I think that's a pretty accurate description of the situation. Delta entered into it's arrangement with the NRA because they thought that having NRA members use their services, even at a discount, would be good for their business. They stopped the arrangement because, after the school murders, Delta was afraid the relationship with the NRA would become a liability, not from an economic standpoint, but from a PR one. I doubt that the economic benefits of the member discount , to either Delta of the NRA, amounted to a whole lot. The term in current vogue to describe what Delta did is "virtue signaling" The entity doing the "signaling" usually does not expect any serious consequences from what is really just a symbolic act. I wonder if Delta failed to anticipate the Georgia politicians response. So: Delta's corporate officers, being sniveling PC chickensh*ts, screwed up. The Georgia Politicians (like pretty much all politicians) are bought and paid for shills. The NRA will be just fine, as will the members of that organization, who bear no responsibility whatsoever for the murders. If the tax break goes away Delta's shareholders will be the ones that take it in the shorts. But never fear. Just this afternoon the governor of my fair state, Andy Cuomo,who hates guns and anyone who owns them, said that he'd welcome Delta if they choose to move their operations to NY. Said he was sure NY could come up with some tax incentives to sweeten the deal. ::) |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by MnSpring on 02/28/18 at 07:26:56 78514C535B4C524772514D4A7F4C4A574D4A3E0 wrote:
Let’s see If I got this right. The, Ultra Liberal, Blind in one Eye, hard to see out of the other, ‘ SNOWFLAKE’, Kum-By-You Singing, Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA Ideals Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling people, Stand in the Street Criers, say: 0A233E21293E203500233F380D3E38253F384C0 wrote:
2A343B3A372A312C5E0 wrote:
When it comes to a Company, stating their opinion on something. YET, when another Company, (Say a Cake Baker), stating their opinion on something. It’s SUE their A$$’s into the Ground ! |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by verslagen1 on 02/28/18 at 09:06:37 79504D525A4D534673504C4B7E4D4B564C4B3F0 wrote:
what? sure, that's possible, but not necessary here's how it works, as I've explained like 20 times already. the NRA donates big time to the Republicans, the Republicans support the NRA (aka, are paid to support them). Delta "hurt" the NRA by no longer offering a discount that added value to NRA membership. the Republicans, wanting to support their big time donors (the NRA) and keep the money coming (aka, giving the NRA what they've paid for) retaliate against Delta reneging on a deal they had with Delta that had NOTHING to do with the NRA until now. so the Republicans are retaliating based on Delta's POLITICAL action, nothing else. Republicans are trying to coerce Delta to act how they want them to instead of how Delta feels best. [/quote] Lets see who has more clout ($$$$) NRA with 14 million members (at $40 each) or Delta with $41 billion operating revenue... really? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/18 at 09:26:19 43504746595452505B04350 wrote:
what? sure, that's possible, but not necessary here's how it works, as I've explained like 20 times already. the NRA donates big time to the Republicans, the Republicans support the NRA (aka, are paid to support them). Delta "hurt" the NRA by no longer offering a discount that added value to NRA membership. the Republicans, wanting to support their big time donors (the NRA) and keep the money coming (aka, giving the NRA what they've paid for) retaliate against Delta reneging on a deal they had with Delta that had NOTHING to do with the NRA until now. so the Republicans are retaliating based on Delta's POLITICAL action, nothing else. Republicans are trying to coerce Delta to act how they want them to instead of how Delta feels best. [/quote] Lets see who has more clout ($$$$) NRA with 14 million members (at $40 each) or Delta with $41 billion operating revenue... really?[/quote] Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by verslagen1 on 02/28/18 at 09:33:04 6B757A7B766B706D1F0 wrote:
nobody knows (how?) I went with the higher estimate (could be associate members) But earnings vs membership is so overwhelming it doesn't matter... does it? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/18 at 09:44:05 170413120D0006040F50610 wrote:
nobody knows (how?) I went with the higher estimate (could be associate members) But earnings vs membership is so overwhelming it doesn't matter... does it?[/quote] I don't know. However, operative revenue is not earnings... Further, the nra has this on its "About the nra" page: But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly five million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/28/18 at 10:26:23 6D737C7D706D766B190 wrote:
what? sure, that's possible, but not necessary here's how it works, as I've explained like 20 times already. the NRA donates big time to the Republicans, the Republicans support the NRA (aka, are paid to support them). Delta "hurt" the NRA by no longer offering a discount that added value to NRA membership. the Republicans, wanting to support their big time donors (the NRA) and keep the money coming (aka, giving the NRA what they've paid for) retaliate against Delta reneging on a deal they had with Delta that had NOTHING to do with the NRA until now. so the Republicans are retaliating based on Delta's POLITICAL action, nothing else. Republicans are trying to coerce Delta to act how they want them to instead of how Delta feels best. [/quote] Lets see who has more clout ($$$$) NRA with 14 million members (at $40 each) or Delta with $41 billion operating revenue... really?[/quote] Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members.[/quote] seems like the NRA, by far, somehow.. I know, doesn't make sense, but I guess that's conservatism for ya |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 10:51:39 The laser focus on the NRA fails to acknowledge the huge number who share their ideology who aren't members. Politicians know what a flood of votes they will unleash if they start moving against the rights of the People. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by verslagen1 on 02/28/18 at 12:34:17 6F717E7F726F74691B0 wrote:
nobody knows (how?) I went with the higher estimate (could be associate members) But earnings vs membership is so overwhelming it doesn't matter... does it?[/quote] I don't know. However, operative revenue is not earnings... Further, the nra has this on its "About the nra" page: But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly five million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. [/quote] Huge overstatement of member numbers and dues paid vs factor of a 100 on company revenue and it's still not obvious. Quote:
lets see... 14 million times 40 = 560 million or 4 mil times 40 = 160 mil. subtract 25% for the magazine and probably 50% for company expenses. that leaves 25% for graft. Yep that's way over what delta could do just in free tickets. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/28/18 at 14:47:14 Vers... you still aren't changing any facts that the government (republican) is using it's political power to punish a private (non government) corporation because they made a political (free speech is a right too) move that the government (republican) didn't agree with |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 15:52:45 Rights are rights. That's not an exemption from a response. The baker had rights. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/28/18 at 16:14:41 5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:
did you mean this for another thread or are you hijacking this one too? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 16:29:57 I'm pointing out other events that support my thinking. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/18 at 16:33:15 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
The baker stood on his rights. They weren't acknowledged. That doesn't make them disappear, But the baker suffered from a backlash Because he did what he thought was right. Just because you have a Right to do or say something, that doesn't insulate you from a backlash. |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/01/18 at 09:38:25 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
The baker stood on his rights. They weren't acknowledged. That doesn't make them disappear, But the baker suffered from a backlash Because he did what he thought was right. Just because you have a Right to do or say something, that doesn't insulate you from a backlash. [/quote] I"m going to just ignore the part about the baker, there is another thread about that. so from this: "Just because you have a Right to do or say something, that doesn't insulate you from a backlash. " between individuals, private (non-government) corporations/companies sure but this is the government, so, what's the point of the first amendment then? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, ...." isn't this the government prohibiting the exercise of free speech? Edit: or at least punishing free speech, which wouldn't that be abridging it? |
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Title: Re: Something good from the shooting... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/18 at 09:47:44 Punishing free speech would abridge, I think. The thing is, what was the Privilege of being given tax breaks Predicated ON? I don't know. Might be seeing a court case that Delta wins. And good point. |
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