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Title: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/05/18 at 20:58:50 Think for one moment, honestly, the arguments advanced why we need to do this. Can you imagine if the Chinese would have seen, used, gunpowder, to conquer the world, instead of making fireworks, how things might be different today. Thought police brought to full fruition......justified. It will make Hitler seem like a 5 year old boy was only playing army man. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-danger-of-using-data-to-prevent-crimes-before-theyoccur/article38188472/ |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by verslagen1 on 03/06/18 at 07:57:34 Everyone knows in this day and age that nothing said on social media is private. Don't you think that for NC to say he's gonna shoot up a school on whatever forum that it was a cry for help? But true evil like the las vegas guy will push thought crimes to fruition. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/06/18 at 08:30:04 243720213E3335373C63520 wrote:
Versy, I distinctly remember my first thought when I saw 911, and the reports of what it was..... That our separation of powers would be forevermore under attack, from within Granted such power, mortal man, lacks the moral convictions, to not use it to his OWN personal gain. Biblical speaking, it explains why God, and the power He is rumored to hold, can not use it to His own desires. It, in effect, would deny who he is...... By removing the one element found only in mankind, a free will. We have seen the effect of power, and what happens when people surrender to it. It consumes every perceived threat in its path. Do you understand the nature of co-dependency? |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/18 at 08:49:54 Yeah, because the US is exactly like China... oh, wait... C'mon ray - equating what amounts to intelligence gathering to being worse than hitler? Please.... Would you rather that law enforcement not use data to perform their duties? How many copies of the conservative playbook do you own? LOL Chicken Little's got nothing on you. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/18 at 08:53:43 73607865607666010 wrote:
:-? |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by verslagen1 on 03/06/18 at 09:19:25 T/T everyone knows why you reply and it's not because you have anything to add. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/18 at 10:00:46 253621203F3234363D62530 wrote:
Well vers - look at the post and the article. Then, look at the follow up. There is nothing to add... Do you honestly believe that this isn't a scare tactic post? Do you think that it's worse than hitler? Sorry, I call it like I see it. More people should. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by Trippah on 03/06/18 at 14:05:36 The neat thing about science fiction is it explores our near and sometimes future, as well as possible pasts. The amount of information collected on all of us is astounding, sorting out the useful from the chaff is the trick. And yes, it might someday lead to the preemptive legal system. We already can "legally" take moneys and property from people we "know" are criminals without bothering to take them to court. But as noted in the article, the algorithms are not yet perfect predictors: watch the weather programs as they plot the 5-10 storms tracks predicted for a hurricane. Since I probably only have a decade - 15 years left, I will probably escape such a Brave New World - but as governments and businesses compete with each other for power, I not all that sure we are safe. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/06/18 at 14:06:37 465542435C5157555E01300 wrote:
Just on plain old simple logic, reasoning, Versy..... Do you think a fool, knows he is foolish? |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/18 at 14:13:42 0F29322B2B3A335B0 wrote:
Well put Trippah. +1 |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/18 at 14:14:25 54475F42475141260 wrote:
Just on plain old simple logic, reasoning, Versy..... Do you think a fool, knows he is foolish? [/quote] Just look in the mirror ray. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/06/18 at 19:59:42 We already can "legally" take moneys and property from people we "know" are criminals without bothering to take them to court. When they sold that to us it was gonna be dangerous people. The people who have been screwed out of their rightful property without due process changed my mind. I was wrong to support it. There's a Reason for the Innocent until Proven guilty thing. Just because it's happening and government does it doesn't make it okay |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/06/18 at 20:35:38 47617A6363727B130 wrote:
I think the key point/observation is this, compete. Why is that even a concern? I agree, business should rise and fall on its own merit. When the government decided some businesses are “too big” To allow to fail, we crossed a line. I am most sure that line has been tipped toed on for years, with Lobbist, etc. But now, for government to use self appointed power to compete, Yeah, its a ill wind that blows. The net result will be a government that supplies/oversees, All our welfare.... I can think of a few programs that have had pretty dismal results, with that as their goal. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by Trippah on 03/07/18 at 05:47:54 I really thought that the Too Big To Fail was THE DEFINITION of a monopoly, which all businesses strive to attain and government is supposed to restrain. The beauty of our government is that the three branches should always be keeping each other in check, so that the judiciary doesn't get too big for their pants, that the Pres doesn't become a dictator etc. Just as unemployment support shouldn't last generations in the form of welfare. The truth of life is, things change and you have to move on. (On a savage is a cool way to do it). 8-) In some countries, the "church" moderate government but as our forefathers saw all so clearly, that doesn't always work out so well. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/07/18 at 07:29:00 I am totally with you..... The 3 branches is paramount to separation, however, we see how the executive have used the judicial to circumvent the one real branch that folks have the most representation in. I believe what was meant to be used only in matter of emergency, has become a tool to be used for party rule power. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/18 at 08:40:04 Trip, those Too Big to Fail things are Now bigger. We would have been Way ahead to have paid off the mortgages instead of giving the banks Billions on billions. Is it actually a Monopoly if it's a half dozen or so businesses? AT&T was a monopoly. Regardless of the word that describes the situation, it's bad. After Glass Steagall was thrown out, things went to crap. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/07/18 at 09:15:42 Hey Jog, isn’t this energy to give the president more power a recent development when considered what the founders intended by writing in the separation? |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/18 at 09:59:47 I really don't know, Ray. It's been such a long slide. I remember the eighties and the savings and loan Bush ripoff. Wasn't that why Glass Steagall was passed? If you're saying that the separation of powers that were originally intended have had their lines blurred and power shuffled into places that weren't the goals of the Founders, I can only agree. How it's all been done, down through the years, IDK. Seems like the judicial branch has taken steps Not allowed them by the constitution. They find constitutionality where none exists for the administration they agree with, and rule against the one they disagree with, regardless of precedent or constitutionality. The judicial branch concerns me, the administrative, with that GodAwful executive order power. Like any other tool, it can be misused. Trump should have a team reading them and reversing the unconstitutional ones that exert pressure on the People. It Really torques me up watching the legislative write unconstitutional bills. Every piece of legislation should have the part of the constitution listed where the right and power to enact the proposed legislation is laid out. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/07/18 at 11:06:41 I agree in total. I believe they foresaw how religion could leak into a factor of power that would in fact, unsurp the very safeguard of ensuring a faction could not control society. I believe the same reasoning went into the 3 branch idea. If you go back to the debating prior to the formation of the final decree of what, and how, this power would be divided, the argument almost stopped dead in its track, at reaching a consensus, as many wanted s centralized power..... One guy, I forget who, he had argued against giving a body, the House of Representatives, any equal footing, based on population, etc... But changed his mind upon final vote. I believe fights even broke out over this issue. So, in effect, this idea is nothing new, but if we succumbed to breaching the original intent, it will get ugly once again. It’s not about our sovereignty or welfare, it’s all about power hungry folks! |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/18 at 20:11:47 They didn't ban religion. They had just left a tyranny. They gave us freedom. People are free to express their beliefs, Anywhere Anytime |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/07/18 at 20:49:12 No, you are right, they did not ban religion, I am not saying that. What I am saying is that a “belief” has the power to become unconstrained, as it grows.... You must keep in mind, it’s a “belief”, a faith based belief. And if the state was to sanction it, then it would be more of a law, and biased against all other forms of, as well as absents of, a certain religion.... And in reality it would go against the very foundation of my religion,of choosing on my own free will, to believe. The world is ripe with parents forcing their children into a religion. It really doesn’t work very well. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/18 at 21:01:13 I've met preachers kids when I was about six. They were both into sex. Ohhh, and they were about the same age. I think I follow you, Take an ideology, pass laws that support it, and Violas, almost a religion.. Just send your tithe to Planned Parenthood. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/08/18 at 07:54:21 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
Exactly.....ANY belief, will always be presented as a good and caring thing, idea. That it has "merit"......and that is why we should support it, state sanctioned, even.... But look, if it truly has merit, it will support and sustain itself, should it not? The Crusaders is a good example, these folks "believed" they were saving people from their own peril...... This is why we need less goverment intervention in social engineering, and promotion, of ANY chosen life styles that are belief based on ideas, etc.... Lets say Gay marriage, that is a choice for two people to do. They have every right to get married, i believe, but they do not have a right to "force" other people who have opposing beliefs to participate. Now take a interracial marriage, their skin is a fact, not a choice. I think its rather obvious that to deny them based on "race" does cross that fine line were the goverment "has" to intervene with laws against such discrimination. Does that make any sense? |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/18 at 18:22:03 It's not complicated. Government has no business in marriage. |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by raydawg on 03/08/18 at 18:26:56 302F292E33340535053D2F23685A0 wrote:
Well, that’s another way to say it I guess ;D |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by Trippah on 03/08/18 at 19:49:50 Are you suggesting that people who do not believe in God should not be allowed to be married? This seems to be saying that marriage is the bond between two people (or more) but only if accepted by their church? If their church says marriage is between one man and three women, would that be acceptable? If the man was not a virgin, and the church refused to "marry" them, thus would be okay? Or, as more often in our male dominated churches, if the woman wasn't a virgin? What if the Bhuddist temple says a pairing is a marriage, but it isn't acceptable to the First Methodist Church..would it be unacceptable then? I guess you would have to start at the beginning. Define what you think a marriage is. Is it a legal contract, a tax standard, a social status??? |
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Title: Re: This should scare you...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/18 at 19:58:20 What is a Marriage Covenant - Covenant Marriage … covenantmarriage.com/what-is-a-marriage-covenant A covenant is intended by God to be a lifelong fruitful relationship between a man and a woman. Marriage is a vow to God, to each other, our families and our community to remain steadfast in unconditional love, reconciliation and sexual purity, while purposefully growing in our covenant marriage relationship. |
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