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Title: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Serowbot on 03/14/18 at 09:15:08 Armed Teacher Injures Students When Handgun Accidentally Fires During Gun Safety Class https://www.yahoo.com/news/armed-teacher-injures-students-handgun-112531422.html More guns will fix it?... expect a lot more stories like this if we arm teachers... :-?

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/18 at 09:30:22 Everything comes at a cost. The one thing most likely to have lessened the deaths at that high school was that gym teacher having a gun. Cops accidentally fire guns, doctors make mistakes, experimental medical procedures sometimes end in disaster, people die on motorcycles.... We keep moving forward. We make adjustments and evaluate their success or failure. Tossing out this idea because of one failure is silly.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 09:39:48 Armed teacher accidentally Injures students. Armed maniac Murders many. Yeah, he screwed up. Aimed at the ceiling, and allowed it to fire. Frikken idiot..

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Serowbot on 03/14/18 at 09:41:28 So do we stop at 100 accidents?...  :-/ Quote: It is estimated that on average 16 children a day are hospitalized due to firearm injuries in the US, according to research presented at the Pediatric Academic Societies Meeting in San Francisco in May. Even under the narrowest definition, there's been at least 1 mass shooting every month this year Even under the narrowest definition, there's been at least 1 mass shooting every month this year Of 23 high-income countries, 91% of children killed by firearms in 2010 were from the US, according to a study published in The American Journal of Medicine last year.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/18 at 09:46:24 Did we stop at 100 motorcycle accidents? Did we stop when the astronauts died on the pad, Apollo 13, Challenger? You made decisions, move forward and evaluate. Isn't it trie that if that teacher  had a gun, this could have been differe?

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 09:48:48 Dude, seriously, look at the death and destruction caused by doctors. Cars. So many things are dangerous. Guns are too. Idiots with a gun are scary. I absolutely would not go out with my friends to pop Jack rabbits if a certain guy went,, You're hyperventilating over guns, and the cops ACCIDENTALLY shoot bystanders, but you don't call to disarm THEM. Why not? You demand perfection in firearms, right? How many people save themselves or others because they are armed? Why not just turn your guns in? You know, before you hurt or kill someone.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 09:49:57 Well,  $hit  Happens ! It is called a, Accident. On a MC, when you go out for a drive, do you, Expect, to run into a cage?               DIF’s  are all around. Some get tooted up at a bar, then hop on a MC. So is it the, Bar’s fault? Is it the, Booze’s fault?                Is it the MC’s Fault. Or is it the fault of the DFI, (Person)  ? A  Accidental Firearm discharge,        IS,  a  Accident. Is it the result of a DFI ? or is it, Just, a Accident ? Having  Armed Teachers, who are, knowledgeable in firearms,       Skilled, and Trained. I believe is a  Mountain,   better than a, ’Sign’.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 09:51:21 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote: Did we stop at 100 motorcycle accidents? Did we stop when the astronauts died on the pad, Apollo 13, Challenger? You made decisions, move forward and evaluate. Isn't it trie that if that teacher  had a gun, this could have been differe? No, it's not true because it's a - "coulda, woulda shoulda...." You can guess all you want.  It makes no difference. We are a gun country.  We have a cowboy mentality.  More guns, more problems.  Why the hell do you think we lead the entire Planet in gun deaths?

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Serowbot on 03/14/18 at 09:57:51 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote: You made decisions, move forward and evaluate. Children don't make decisions,.. we make them for them. If I ride a motorcycle, it's my choice... if I fly to the moon, it's my choice... I wouldn't fire a child into space... Your comparisons aren't valid.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 10:04:36 Look at the War on Drugs, and the laws making it a black market. Look at what happened during prohibition. Look at the overall condition of society. Guns were prevalent before they became a problem. The reasons they are used in ways that make you want them banned is because society has been screwed up. The Florida thing could have been prevented, and should have been, but lefties Never criticize the Awthoritees unless they are bubs. The F.B.I and cops SCREWED UP. But let's blame guns. Nobody but me has even mentioned the program, the Policy, to proactively Ignore criminal behavior in order to shield juveniles from the consequences of their actions that allowed him to stay in schools. Instead of lefties continuing to tell the adults how to solve the problem caused by lefty ways, how about you guys just sit back and let us show you. It took more than a year for all those genius ideas to create the societal rot that brought about these killers. It might take more than a week to fix your messes. And How Many of these shooters were on Doctor Prescribed Meds? Name ONE that hadn't been prescribed stuff for ADD or some kinda behavior problem.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Serowbot on 03/14/18 at 10:08:24 41625F7C7E65626B0C0 wrote: OMG,     688 DEATHS a DAY,   We gotta, LICENSE  Doctors,   We gotta MAKE, them go to School OMG !!!!! I think you argue my point... Saying more guns will fix the gun problem is like saying more surgeries will fix medical mistakes... :-/

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 10:11:20 4650475A42575A41350 wrote: " ... It is estimated that on average 16 children a day are hospitalized due to firearm injuries in the US ..." From a  FAVORITE, News site: https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/health/medical-error-a-leading-cause-of-death/... Comes this: “251,454 deaths due to medical errors annually in the United States. The authors believe the number is actually much higher, as home and nursing home deaths are not counted in that total” OK, 251,454  /  365  =  688  DEATHS  A  DAY, by Doctors. OMG,     688 DEATHS a DAY,  We gotta, LICENSE  Doctors,  We gotta MAKE, them go to School OMG !!!!!

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Serowbot on 03/14/18 at 10:16:44 I just quoted and responded to a post before it was written!... Time travel...  I didn't know there was a button for that... Hawking was right!...;D

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 10:19:45 Such a friggin bad idea..... C'mon folks, think, is this the kind of society we want to live in? This idea is as asinine as sanctuary cities.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 10:26:59 4650475A42575A41350 wrote: " ... Saying more guns will fix the gun problem is like saying more surgeries will fix medical mistakes... " Totaly Disagree. 'More Guns'.  Is NOT  the Issue. (The, 'amount' of firearms available, vs the ones not used or put out for collection, or just broken/discarded) So the Number of firearms remains constant. It is the, 'Arming' of Knowledgeable, Skilled, people, who are TAUGHT, by Knowledgeable Skilled people. Not ALL,  teachers are, 'worthy'.  A  Teacher, who is  'Afraid', of Guns, because she/he, has had NO  experience with them, and actually, Believes, a 'Russian Troll'.        Is  NOT, One to Be Armed. The people that should/could, be armed in a School, are the people, who are, Familiar with, have Used, are Competent, and Skilled. The reference to  Doctors  KILLING so Many: To reduce that number, have less doctors? Sure, that will do that, Less Deaths by Doctors,  because their are, Less Doctors. Doubt someone will take a kitchen knife and operate on themselves. Yet, one can buy, a LP tank just about anywhere.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 10:38:37 C'mon, it's broken. Let's Try something new. We've never tried Bamicare. That was a mistake. WE Actually Had the right to allow teachers to defend their students. SOMEHOW, gee, nobody seems to remember how, but somehow, legislation was passed that made it Illegal to have a gun near the schools. The geniuses who did that must not have realized that People who are planning to MURDER people and want to kill a Buncha People, just Might Not Givashitt about a law that prohibits guns in schools. Shocking, innit? Now, let's change That law. Teachers are lining UP for training. That's right, teachers are embracing the idea of not being unable to defend themselves and the kids. Let's give THAT a try. And Let's go Back to real discipline in schools. Let's Get Rid of the Program that protects them from consequences for arrestable offenses. And stop labeling boys who are bored by classroom stuff as Broken and in need of drugs. It's unnatural to expect a kid who wants to be out exploring the world and playing with others to be happy in a classroom. Offer them something they are interested in. The idea of what school IS needs to change. The notion that everyone should be educated in the same way is as ridiculous as everyone should have the same job.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 10:46:57 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote: C'mon, it's broken. Let's Try something new. We've never tried Bamicare. That was a mistake. WE Actually Had the right to allow teachers to defend their students. SOMEHOW, gee, nobody seems to remember how, but somehow, legislation was passed that made it Illegal to have a gun near the schools. The geniuses who did that must not have realized that People who are planning to MURDER people and want to kill a Buncha People, just Might Not Givashitt about a law that prohibits guns in schools. Shocking, innit? Now, let's change That law. Teachers are lining UP for training. That's right, teachers are embracing the idea of not being unable to defend themselves and the kids. Let's give THAT a try. And Let's go Back to real discipline in schools. Let's Get Rid of the Program that protects them from consequences for arrestable offenses. And stop labeling boys who are bored by classroom stuff as Broken and in need of drugs. It's unnatural to expect a kid who wants to be out exploring the world and playing with others to be happy in a classroom. Offer them something they are interested in. The idea of what school IS needs to change. The notion that everyone should be educated in the same way is as ridiculous as everyone should have the same job.       Very,  WELL   Said   !

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 10:52:35 Jog, it’s our schools...... I could no further fathom going to school way back when knowing I was “safe” because my teacher was packing. It’s ludicrous and just wrong. Our children should never be put into such a position, never. Going after the “gun” is just as stupid, it’s not the gun. It’s a sickness in our society, an illness. If it was contagious, it would be treated with utmost concern. Thinking you can contain it by making guns less available is like believing we can stop drug use by taking away needles. Guns in school, as a deterrent, sorry, it’s purely a false hope, much like a physical wall on the border to address illegal immigration... Symbolic at best. Btw, the rest of your post brings up great points, etc, re: school curriculum

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 11:02:38 Armed teachers, bad. But call cops. Good. I'm confused. If men with guns are supposed to come save the ones Not already dead, why not just have CC teachers? How many maniacs will choose to go try to shoot people when those signs are replaced by signs saying Our staff are trained and armed. ??? When schools aren't soft targets, things will change. That's when we will see maniacs shooting up malls. They, like other criminals, will go to the easiest targets. Who did the bullies at school pick on? The lineman on the football team? Be logical.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 11:24:36 Jog, you are using logic to define, extend, to crazyiness. I don’t think you can, but the classroom.... What it represents to our society and the young minds. It’s like 911 won its desired effect  :-[

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 13:36:22 What you're not getting is The law that makes it illegal for teachers to carry isn't ancient. It was a Failed Attempt to make schools safer. America laid down to a bad idea that Sounded Good. We went the wrong way. If your house got robbed would you plant a sign in the yard No Gun, no alarms? Why would we choose to Not protect our children with the same force we protect our elected officials? It's protect with force Or fortress. What we are Doing is NOT WORKING. What you call crazy isn't. It's rational. It's not rational to expect MURDERERS to be dissuaded by a sign. If guns in the hands of a good guy Aren't the answer Then don't call cops. Because they will only add guns to the equation. Never mind that the Other guns are in the hands of Bad guys.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 14:36:36 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote: Did we stop at 100 motorcycle accidents? Did we stop when the astronauts died on the pad, Apollo 13, Challenger? You made decisions, move forward and evaluate. Isn't it trie that if that teacher  had a gun, this could have been differe? no one died on Apollo 13,  but I guess, we don't blame an idiot for his one mistake right?   "Tossing out this idea because of one failure is silly."

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 14:43:40 594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote: Dude, seriously, look at the death and destruction caused by doctors. Cars. So many things are dangerous. Guns are too. Idiots with a gun are scary. I absolutely would not go out with my friends to pop Jack rabbits if a certain guy went,, You're hyperventilating over guns, and the cops ACCIDENTALLY shoot bystanders, but you don't call to disarm THEM. Why not? You demand perfection in firearms, right? How many people save themselves or others because they are armed? Why not just turn your guns in? You know, before you hurt or kill someone. why would you ever go out to "pop" Jack Rabbits???   I mean I guess you hunt rabbits... idk, whatever floats your boat I guess, but phrasing it that way kind of sounds like you're going out to shoot rats at the local landfill/trash heap, just for kicks... with that in mind it sounds like you might want to get evaluated to see if you have an issue or something, a telling sign of mental problems is someone who is intentionally cruel to animals..  but if you meant hunting rabbits, that's a different thing, please clarify so I know what kind of person I'm actually debating here. and we do call on Cops to get proper training, and more training when they to "accidentally" shoot someone, they are disciplined or fired and if needed STRUCTURAL changes are made to their training and how they get to have a weapon.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Eegore on 03/14/18 at 15:06:48  I kill rodents for fun.  Grew up in a community that does it.  I have passed many psych evals for my work assignments. None indicate I'm sociopathic or psychopathic, certainly none said I "have an issue or something"  Just sayin'

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 15:08:15 476E736C64736D784D6E7275407375687275010 wrote: " ...  we do call on Cops to get proper training, and more training when they to "accidentally" shoot someone, they are disciplined or fired ..." Well I know of one police officer, Who had his, Tuition, PAID  for, And, received, 20.00 per HOUR, for going to class. And was, ‘Fast Tracked’, through the education. And had  3 offenses, in 1.5 years of duty. (Most Cops go 20 years with 1 or 0) And is sitting at home, (Probably sitting on the porch drinking Mint Juleps) With  FULL PAY,  for the last 9 Months. For Shooting, a UN-Armed Woman        In Pajamas From the  Passenger seat,      In Cold Blood Oh,  Lost, How's those, answers coming ? http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1520993304/20#20

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 15:11:21 Who has a college degree, every time? Teachers So am I Really supposed to believe they are too stupid to be trained to do what rednecks teach their kids to do? Cops have no great marksmanship abilities. Some do, some don't, but don't get comfortable because the target the cop is aiming for is twenty feet away from you. Go to Bing homepage Go to Bing homepage police accidentally shoot bystanders AllImagesVideosMapsNews Trending 8,300,000 ResultsAny time New York Police Accidentally Shoot Bystanders - Sky … https://news.sky.com/story/new-york-police-accidentally-shoot... Police at a New York bus station have accidentally shot two female bystanders while trying to subdue an apparently emotionally disturbed man. It is believed the ... NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire … www.foxnews.com/.../25/nypd-shooting-bystander...police-gunfire.html Aug 25, 2012 · All nine people wounded during a dramatic confrontation between police and a gunman outside ... 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire. ... Videos of police accidentally shoot bystanders bing.com/videos Woman accidentally shot after LAPD officer shoots, kills pit bull in Venice 1:38 Woman accidentally shot after LAPD officer shoots, kills pit bull in Venice ABC7 Los Angeles · 11/4/2016 Police mistakenly shoot two bystanders near Times Square 0:39 Police mistakenly shoot two bystanders near Times Square YouTube · 9/15/2013 · 39,000+ views Two killed, bystanders wounded in NY shooting 1:31 Two killed, bystanders wounded in NY shooting REUTERS · 8/24/2012 See more videos of police accidentally shoot bystanders Police Accidentally Shoot Two Innocent Bystanders … https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/09/15/police-accidentally-shoot... NEW YORK (AP) — Two police officers opened fired on an emotionally disturbed man who was dodging cars on a busy Manhattan street Saturday night, wounding two ... Bystander Shot by Undercover Police Officer Dies - The … https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/nyregion/two-shot-in-mount... Aug 29, 2015 · A bystander accidentally shot by an undercover New York City police officer on Friday afternoon during an illegal firearms sting gone awry has died, the ... Despite training, Chicago police still accidentally shoot ... www.policeone.com › … › Officer-Involved Shootings › Articles Despite training, Chicago police still accidentally shoot ... does not keep track of innocent bystanders shot by police ... The police shooting is still be ... New York police accidentally shoot two bystanders … www.news.com.au/world/new-york-police-accidentally-shoot-two... POLICE in the US trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man accidentally shot two female bystanders outside New York's Port Authority Bus Terminal Saturday night. New York: Police officers accidentally shoot two ... - … metro.co.uk › World › Crime news New York police accidentally shot two bystanders in Times Square after trying to hit a man who they thought had a weapon on him. Police shoot bystanders by mistake - CNN Video www.cnn.com/.../09/15/wxp-sot-police-shoot-bystanders-times-square.hln Sep 15, 2013 · Police accidentally shot two bystanders near New York's Times Square while trying to subdue an erratic man. Ready, Fire, Aim: The Science Behind Police Shooting ... nation.time.com/2013/...the-science-behind-police-shooting-bystanders Sep 16, 2013 · Ready, Fire, Aim: The Science Behind Police Shooting Bystanders. A Saturday incident in Times Square showed yet again that even highly trained police are ... Chicago police trained to not shoot innocent people, but ... www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-police-shooting-innocent-victims... Dec 28, 2015 · Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said the department does not keep track of innocent bystanders shot by police ... accidentally shot a fellow.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Eegore on 03/14/18 at 15:15:49  To be fair we can't actually use flat numbers in this argument - there's way more Police out there with firearms than teachers, and the teachers won't be actively pursuing crime.  Bottom line is if we add more firearms to any environment there will be more firearm related hazards.  Historically that's been proven but who knows, maybe this will be different.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 15:18:19 0A2A28203D2A4F0 wrote:  To be fair we can't actually use flat numbers in this argument - there's way more Police out there with firearms than teachers, and the teachers won't be actively pursuing crime.  Bottom line is if we add more firearms to any environment there will be more firearm related hazards.  Historically that's been proven but who knows, maybe this will be different. [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 15:24:53 Actually, when guns were allowed, carjacking stopped. And the tourism industry was being crippled in Florida by holdups. Rental car companies stopped putting decals on that showed it was rented. Florida told visitors to hide maps, cameras, binoculars, luggage, But, Until they made it legal for tourists to shoot back, it stayed bad. And I guess everyone who proclaimed how there would be blood in the streets when they passed laws to allow cc in places where they sell alcohol. I know, signs by owners saying no guns, I know,, but the disaster that was told us was coming Didn't Again And let's not forget Guns in the schools Will deter shooters. Look at where guns ARE in schools.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Eegore on 03/14/18 at 20:30:57  I agree that looking at statistics where firearms are allowed in schools/colleges is a good place to make a point.  I do not think that ignoring statistics that show that firearm related injuries are more prevalent where there are more firearms helps convince anyone that it isn't happening.  When I assembled a presentation to the school board where I live we did not ignore the risk factors or try to divert or skew the data by pulling up information about non-related subjects as the Board was interested in their community and their school.  They aren't interested in carjacking stats.  We had to say that yes, firearm related deaths and injuries are more likely with the introduction of more firearms in order to move onto other parts of the issue.  If we played our statistics against theirs we would go on forever exchanging facts.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 20:48:28 I guess it's time for adults to Decide. What would you choose? The Chance of a gun issue with it in the hands of a trained teacher Or the chance of a gun issue in the hands of a murderer? I wonder how many kids huddled under desks were saying I am SOOO Glad my teacher doesn't have a gun... Let's LOOK at where schools Have armed staff.

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/16/18 at 09:13:15 7E606F6E637E65780A0 wrote: No, it's not true because it's a - "coulda, woulda shoulda...." You can guess all you want.  It makes no difference. We are a gun country.  We have a cowboy mentality.  More guns, more problems.  Why the hell do you think we lead the entire Planet in gun deaths? WOW  T&T   did not know you were a,  Racist  !!!!!!! Discriminating on a  ’Type’ of Person, By Alluding in your post, that ’type’ of person. Is  a  BAD   Person.  and engages in,  BAD   Behavior. “…We are a gun country.  We have a cowboy mentality.  More guns, more problems.  Why the hell do you think we lead the entire Planet in gun deaths?…” While not growing up as a, ‘Cowboy’, I have, ‘Become’, a, ‘Cowboy’, by playing a game/competition, as a member of, SASS, (Single Action Shooting Society) ‘Cowboys’, most  CERTAINLY, do not act like ill-responsible people. Any more than, a person of a certain color skin, sitting on a porch, acts like a  Primate. How  DARE,  you  denigrate, a, ‘Cowboy’, that way !

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by Serowbot on 03/16/18 at 09:30:22 Cowboy is a race?... :-/

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by MnSpring on 03/16/18 at 10:01:32 5147504D55404D56220 wrote: Cowboy is a race?... :-/ Guess you missed the:  "...Discriminating on a  ’Type’ of Person,..." So, tell me, what do you call a person, who discriminates against,   oh say,   a Policeman ? Thinking that almost all the people here, Do, understand the post. Didn't count on one who would not.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Making a, very Derogatory remark, about a 'profession', should be called,  What ? Keep in mind, that, 'Profession', contains people, of ALL, sorts of  Skin Colors, a Lot of different, ethic groups, and most certainly, different religions, (or lack of).

Title: Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/18 at 13:05:14 big·ot [ch712]bi[ch609][ch601]t] NOUN a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

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