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Message started by T And T Garage on 05/07/18 at 15:21:57

Title: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/07/18 at 15:21:57

To intimidate and block women from abortion clinics.

http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/us-abortion-clinics-face-surge-trespassing-blockades-110056549.html

How is that a good thing?  Abortion, like gun ownership, is legal.

Hey, I've got it - people should use those same tactics on gun stores or at gun shows!  Right?!??  

::)

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/07/18 at 19:47:53

Since you seem to have forgotten,
Abortion is not a
Right.
The
UNBORN
Have no rights.

Completely different circumstances from
The
Natural RIGHTS of self defense.
But
Nuance

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by oldNslow on 05/07/18 at 20:30:07


Quote:
Hey, I've got it - people should use those same tactics on gun stores or at gun shows!  Right?!??  


Actually anti gun rights folks do try those kinds of tactics from time to time. However, since the people who patronise gun stores and gun shows tend to not be intimidated by people waving signs and shouting slogans, or even attempting to block doorways, those kinds of demonstrations aren't very effective.

Except to provide the local media dipsh*ts something to video, and blather about on the evening news of course.

Remarkable restraint on the part of the folks being annoyed, don't you think. On  account of them being armed and all. No demonstrator has ever been shot at as far as I know.

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/18 at 06:14:02


102E2F23312D2C420 wrote:

Quote:
Hey, I've got it - people should use those same tactics on gun stores or at gun shows!  Right?!??  


Actually anti gun rights folks do try those kinds of tactics from time to time. However, since the people who patronise gun stores and gun shows tend to not be intimidated by people waving signs and shouting slogans, or even attempting to block doorways, those kinds of demonstrations aren't very effective.

Except to provide the local media dipsh*ts something to video, and blather about on the evening news of course.

Remarkable restraint on the part of the folks being annoyed, don't you think. On  account of them being armed and all. No demonstrator has ever been shot at as far as I know.


Unlike the innocent people killed in bombing of abortion clinics... funny how that works out, huh?



Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/18 at 07:56:50

Lots of innocent death goes on around those, huh?

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by Serowbot on 05/08/18 at 09:01:04


716E686F72754474447C6E62291B0 wrote:
Since you seem to have forgotten,
Abortion is not a
Right.

????... Remember that Constitution thingy you're always on about?... :-?

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by oldNslow on 05/08/18 at 09:23:05


Quote:
Unlike the innocent people killed in bombing of abortion clinics... funny how that works out, huh?


I don't think you'll find many gun rights advocates who either condone, or engage in, blowing up abortion clinics.


But you  aren't likely to find very many who don't take offense at being lectured about gun control by folks who think it's OK to kill babies either.

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/18 at 10:09:56


1107100D15000D16620 wrote:
[quote author=716E686F72754474447C6E62291B0 link=1525731717/0#1 date=1525747673]Since you seem to have forgotten,
Abortion is not a
Right.

????... Remember that Constitution thingy you're always on about?... :-?[/quote]


Yea, and I have explained how abortion became allowed, many times.
You can explain how the constitution makes abortion legal. Maybe..

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/18 at 12:13:40


043A3B37253938560 wrote:

Quote:
Unlike the innocent people killed in bombing of abortion clinics... funny how that works out, huh?


I don't think you'll find many gun rights advocates who either condone, or engage in, blowing up abortion clinics.

Oh, I'll bet that the majority of those radical enough to bomb an abortion clinic are fervent supporters of the Second Amendment.


But you  aren't likely to find very many who don't take offense at being lectured about gun control by folks who think it's OK to kill babies either.


Well, a fetus is not a baby, so there's that.  Shouldn't a woman have a right to choose?  Shouldn't you be allowed to own a gun?

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by oldNslow on 05/08/18 at 13:24:37


Quote:
(1)Shouldn't a woman have a right to choose? (2) Shouldn't you be allowed to own a gun?


1. No
2. Yes

Enormous logical fallacy in the question though.

(1) and (2) are not even remotely equivalent.

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by Serowbot on 05/08/18 at 14:35:42

Meanwhile Trump gives huge tax cuts to the rich,.. increases military spending massively,... and proposes 7 billion in cuts to child health...
How's that for Pro-life?....
"President Trump will request a package of $15 billion in spending cuts from Congress on Tuesday, including some $7 billion from the Children's Health Insurance Program "

That's MAGA for Trump.... screw America's future...
That's grabbing America by the pu$$y...

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/18 at 14:43:46


122C2D21332F2E400 wrote:

Quote:
(1)Shouldn't a woman have a right to choose? (2) Shouldn't you be allowed to own a gun?


1. No
2. Yes

Enormous logical fallacy in the question though.

(1) and (2) are not even remotely equivalent.


They're not?  Is it legal to own a gun?  Is it legal to have an abortion?

Do you have free will over your own body?  Why shouldn't a woman?

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by oldNslow on 05/08/18 at 15:21:37


756B646568756E73010 wrote:
[quote author=122C2D21332F2E400 link=1525731717/0#9 date=1525811077]
Quote:
(1)Shouldn't a woman have a right to choose? (2) Shouldn't you be allowed to own a gun?


1. No
2. Yes

Enormous logical fallacy in the question though.

(1) and (2) are not even remotely equivalent.


They're not?  Is it legal to own a gun?  Is it legal to have an abortion?

Do you have free will over your own body?  Why shouldn't a woman?
[/quote]

So you believe that my right to buy an object, the mere ownership of which causes no harm to anyone, is the moral equivalent of a woman's "right" to end a life ?






Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/18 at 16:12:24


526C6D61736F6E000 wrote:
So you believe that my right to buy an object, the mere ownership of which causes no harm to anyone, is the moral equivalent of a woman's "right" to end a life ?


It seems people forget that a choice can go either way.  A woman's choice can be to keep the fetus to term.

Why is that forgotten?  The mere option to choose doesn't harm anyone.

The right of a woman to choose is just as important as the right to own (or not own) a firearm.


Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by oldNslow on 05/08/18 at 16:27:38


Quote:
It seems people forget that a choice can go either way.  A woman's choice can be to keep the fetus to term.

Why is that forgotten?  The mere option to choose doesn't harm anyone.

The right of a woman to choose is just as important as the right to own (or not own) a firearm


Nonsense. "The right to choose" is merely a political euphemism for the "right" to terminate an"inconvenient" pregnancy. Most pro-abortion folks are perfectly well aware of that, even if they pretend not to be.

 

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/18 at 16:41:31


76484945574B4A240 wrote:
Nonsense. "The right to choose" is merely a political euphemism for the "right" to terminate an"inconvenient" pregnancy. Most pro-abortion folks are perfectly well aware of that, even if they pretend not to be.

 


Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  However, you should know that I'm not "pro-abortion" any more than you're "pro-killing with a gun".

I support the Second Amendment, but not those people who choose to kill others with guns.

I support a woman's right to choose, but I don't support abortion per se.

In my view, a right is a right.  We have the right to own guns in this country and women have the right to choose what they do with their bodies (just like men).

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by MnSpring on 05/08/18 at 16:46:17


687679787568736E1C0 wrote:
Oh, I'll bet that the majority of those radical enough to bomb an abortion clinic are fervent supporters of the Second Amendment.

               Here let me change that just a little,
                     (As you so often do)
Oh, I’ll bet that the majority of those radical enough to stand in a street and block traffic and Cry, are fervent supporters of, Loot, Steel, Destroy, Set Fires.


.”…  Shouldn’t a woman have a right to choose? …”

The, ‘Choosing’ part, was done, Long Time  before, the deciding to have a Abortion was made
   (And yes, ‘Panty in a Bunch’, people. Their are rape considerations)


Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/18 at 00:46:38


17292824362A2B450 wrote:

Quote:
Unlike the innocent people killed in bombing of abortion clinics... funny how that works out, huh?


I don't think you'll find many gun rights advocates who either condone, or engage in, blowing up abortion clinics.


But you  aren't likely to find very many who don't take offense at being lectured about gun control by folks who think it's OK to kill babies either.



That's worth reading

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by MnSpring on 05/09/18 at 07:47:44


3A2C3B263E2B263D490 wrote:
????... Remember that Constitution thingy you're always on about?...


                     Again,  Not understanding.

The ‘Bill of Rights’, is 10 amendments.
They are Isolated from the Other, amendments.
        For the Very Reason, that they are, very Specific to government power !

In Muppet speak:
The bill of rights, speaks to, ‘RIGHTS’, that people have,
that the Government, CAN  NOT,  Take away !

 (It is NOT,  the Government,  ‘Giving’, those, ‘Rights’)

Granted,  # 4, has been, (Not Officially), changed to allow, ’Sneak & Peek’ warrants.
And further ‘changed’, by the Patriot Act.
6 & 8, have been been very much ignored.
# 9  That, was the Start of the latest Abortion laws.
When the Court , voided a State statute prohibiting use of contraceptives as an infringement of Martial Rights.
 (OH,  NOWHERE,  DOES  ANYTHING  say, EVERYONE, has to PAY,  for  ANYONE'S  Abortion)

And the Most  Abused, by  CONGRESS,  is the 10th.
Where, CONGRESS, often bypass the 10th, by invoking the Commerce Cause.

Again, the ‘Bill of Rights’, does NOT, say, ‘Abortion’ is a ‘right’.
What the supreme court did,
was make it, legal, to Kill a Human,
By saying, a sentient being, that has a Heartbeat, is NOT, a  Human.
Until it comes out of another Human.
Therefore,  it is legal,  to Kill,  a  Non Human.

YET, they contradict that, by saying, if a woman with Baby, is killed,
that killer is charged with TWO, murders.

So again, it is a  RIGHT, to stand in the street, CRY and make up LIES.
And it is Another, Right, which protects/allows, the Fairy Dust Sprinklers,
          to Sprinkle  Fairy Dust.

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by Matchless G11 on 05/09/18 at 17:16:18


In my view, a right is a right.  We have the right to own guns in this country and women have the right to choose what they do with their bodies (just like men).[/quote][/color]

We use to have the "right" to own slaves..
So was that right?


'To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. - G.K. Chesterton —

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/18 at 05:54:27

View it however makes you happy
But
Not being prosecuted for killing the unborn is the law only because the constitution applies to those
BORN or Naturalized in America.

It's got nothing to do with women being so totally in control of
Their bodies
And more to do with a loophole in the way the constitution is worded.

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by T And T Garage on 05/10/18 at 06:18:02


435A54540202415647565058000706330 wrote:
We use to have the "right" to own slaves..
So was that right?

No, that's why it was abolished.  At the moment, abortion and owning (pretty much any) gun is legal.


'To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. - G.K. Chesterton —


Well, as I alluded to above, there's a reason that our Constitution has so many Amendments. (I wonder if you'd agree if that quote would apply to the Second Amendment as well?)

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by MnSpring on 05/10/18 at 09:18:15


687679787568736E1C0 wrote:
"...  owning (pretty much any) gun is legal.


Would you like to elaborate on that statement ?

Or are you just,  MAKING THINGS UP,  Again ?




Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/18 at 12:00:38


554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
View it however makes you happy
But
Not being prosecuted for killing the unborn is the law only because the constitution applies to those
BORN or Naturalized in America.

It's got nothing to do with women being so totally in control of
Their bodies
And more to do with a loophole in the way the constitution is worded.




Well, EXCEPT FOR the people who
Break the law
Enter illegally
And get the protections and privileges of
Citizenship.

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by MnSpring on 05/10/18 at 14:11:49


455C5252040447504150565E060100350 wrote:
" We use to have the "right" to own slaves.. So was that right?"

            It was  NEVER, a, ‘Right’,
                  it was allowed.

"...So was that right?..."

 Then, yes.   Today, no.
That includes people, that have not only a, African heritage,
but also, Irish, Chinese, Japan, Mexican, Italian, etc.etc.etc.
 Which to a degree is STILL  Happening  TODAY !

Owning slaves, was like owning cattle..
One was ‘allowed’, it never was a, ‘right’ !

Title: Re: Breaking The Law
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/18 at 18:27:46


6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
[quote author=554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 link=1525731717/15#20 date=1525956867]View it however makes you happy
But
Not being prosecuted for killing the unborn is the law only because the constitution applies to those
BORN or Naturalized in America.

It's got nothing to do with women being so totally in control of
Their bodies
And more to do with a loophole in the way the constitution is worded.




Well, EXCEPT FOR the people who
Break the law
Enter illegally
And get the protections and privileges of
Citizenship.[/quote]

I really enjoy watching the Dodge.
I post reason.
It's ignored.
Because you got NUTHIN

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