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Message started by WebsterMark on 06/10/18 at 06:10:29

Title: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by WebsterMark on 06/10/18 at 06:10:29

An interesting section from a much longer essay.

Fatal Flaw Two: replacing might makes right with might makes wrong

In the lawless world of nature, might makes right. You can kill me and no one arrests you.

Civilization cannot function by might makes right, or we would suffer from unrelenting tyranny and bloodshed. The most basic feature of a civilized society is a legal justice system. It replaces might makes right with justice makes right. We take our grievances to a court of law, which applies principles of justice to determine guilt and punishment.

The Old Testament/Jewish Bible forbids judges from engaging in favoritism. They are to favor neither the rich/powerful person nor the poor/weak person. Sometimes the rich/strong person is the wrong one, and sometimes the weak/poor person is the wrong one.

Our natural tendency when witnessing a struggle is to side with the apparent underdog. As Wilt Chamberlain said, "Nobody roots for Goliath." Siding with the underdog is great in entertainment, but readily leads to evil when it becomes a policy in real life. Weakness makes right is just as arbitrary and amoral as might makes right. It makes it impossible to objectively judge between right and wrong. It results in unjust punishment in instances when the top dog is actually in the right, and it facilitates the unethical use of weakness to manipulate the system.

And herein lies the second fatal flaw of the left. It has replaced might makes right not with justice makes right but with might makes wrong/weakness makes right.

Policies can only work if they operate in accordance with the laws of nature. Weakness makes right turns the entire natural order on its head. Feeling pleasure in power is useful not only for survival in nature but in civilization as well, as it drives us to strive for success rather than failure. In today’s new order, we're expected to feel guilty about our natural instinct for power and to see weakness and victimhood as virtues rather than stations in life to avoid. Imagine what would happen to sports if the way to win a game is to lose. Well, the same thing would happen in real life.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by Matchless G11 on 06/10/18 at 07:04:01

We are living in a  dying society. We no longer have kids, but bigger houses.
Just like Rome at one time.
We have fallen to the strange notion that children are a burden. But kids grow up, Working on fixing the roads, treating cancer, taking care of the old.  Solving global warming (climate change or whether fashionable word that they will call it, to sell it ).

We in the west have decide to commit suicide.
or as

G K Chesterton has stated.

“A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.”

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/10/18 at 09:33:37

Policies can only work if they operate in accordance with the laws of nature. Weakness makes right turns the entire natural order on its head.


Seems like the things I see here are just smart.

Of course, getting the unnatural to agree on what is natural may be difficult.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by Eegore on 06/10/18 at 16:09:02

 I think a lot of people don't have kids because they don't believe they  can afford it.  By the time the average college student graduates they wont be solvent until their 40's and by that time many aren't interested in having kids to build a college fund for when they are 60.  

 

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by Matchless G11 on 06/10/18 at 16:54:57

Just great we have no kids, no one to take care of the elderly, no future.
We will be starting to look like Japan soon.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/10/18 at 17:53:25

a middle-income couple to raise a child born last year for 18 years, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture report released Wednesday. That's up almost 3% from 2011 and doesn't even include the cost of college.



It will cost an estimated $241,080 for a middle-income couple to raise a child born last year for 18 years, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture report released Wednesday. That's up almost 3% from 2011 and doesn't even include the cost of college.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by WebsterMark on 06/11/18 at 05:11:20

People don't have  as many kids for a lot of reasons but one of the is selfishness. Less influence of Christianity.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/18 at 07:07:01

I knew a couple who were each from decent size families. They didn't want to be broke anymore. They enjoyed each other and Loved our kid.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by LostArtist on 06/11/18 at 15:19:28

Cause I'm really not sure what the heck this is about....  

[quote author=714344555243546B47544D260 link=1528636229/0#0 date=1528636229m.

And herein lies the second fatal flaw of the left. It has replaced might makes right not with justice makes right but with might makes wrong/weakness makes right.[/quote]


And our president says he can kill someone on 5th avenue and not lose any supporters, then his lawyers say that he can kill James Comey and not be indicted....

you mean that justice?  


or the justice where a TEXAS judge says okay, I guess "afluenza" is a thing and let's rich kids off after they drink and drive and kill people?  

or the basic unfairness of "they system" that shows HUGE favorability towards the rich.. you know, like OJ, etc...

or how NONE of the bankers during the  2008 financial crisis actually went to jail but instead actually got BONUSES....  

are you just catching on that might which = MONEY in capitalism, has been how it's gone for the last, idk, FOREVER!!!


but you are all okay with all that, sure...  that's good for you!   how dare anyone suggest you actually have a conscience and are humble or you know, serve you fellow humans, love your neighbor and all that...  that's popular in some book..... I think you know it, but I bet you just love that prosperity teaching of the Bible instead don't you?  

should we all buy you a plane??

nah, don't feel bad about anything...  


seriously, WTF are you talking about?

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by LostArtist on 06/11/18 at 15:20:11


0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
Policies can only work if they operate in accordance with the laws of nature. Weakness makes right turns the entire natural order on its head.


Seems like the things I see here are just smart.

Of course, getting the unnatural to agree on what is natural may be difficult.



so we should just be animals then?

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by Eegore on 06/11/18 at 16:18:57


704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
People don't have  as many kids for a lot of reasons but one of the is selfishness. Less influence of Christianity.


 Does Christianity require procreation from all members able to do so?

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/18 at 16:20:23

you just catching on that might which = MONEY in capitalism, has been how it's gone for the last, idk, FOREVER!!!

Until people expose themselves to the historical truths about money, economies, and the federal reserve and understand how the honest capitalism is blended with crony capitalism, they will wrongly accuse capitalism of being inherently wrong.
Explain how anything else is better.

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by WebsterMark on 06/11/18 at 17:22:39


5F7C60675261677A6067130 wrote:
[quote author=0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 link=1528636229/0#2 date=1528648417]Policies can only work if they operate in accordance with the laws of nature. Weakness makes right turns the entire natural order on its head.


Seems like the things I see here are just smart.

Of course, getting the unnatural to agree on what is natural may be difficult.



so we should just be animals then? [/quote]

You having a rough night Loss?

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by Matchless G11 on 06/12/18 at 03:36:59


7757555D4057320 wrote:
[quote author=704245545342556A46554C270 link=1528636229/0#6 date=1528719080]People don't have  as many kids for a lot of reasons but one of the is selfishness. Less influence of Christianity.


 Does Christianity require procreation from all members able to do so?[/quote]

The church asks married couples to be open for children.
After all the original commandment was "Be fruitful and multiply."
Not "Be fruits and divide."

Title: Re: Nobody roots for Goliath
Post by LostArtist on 06/12/18 at 09:04:06

you know what, whatever I said in this thread, I'm sorry

I'm not participating in this thread anymore. I haven't even read any responses, just don't wanna deal with any of this, just not worth it

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