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Title: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Serowbot on 07/04/18 at 08:45:01 Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/03/findings-that-russia-meddled-to-help-trump-beat-clinton-were-accurate-and-on-point-senate-intel-panel.html Findings by the intelligence community that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election to help Donald Trump win were "accurate and on point," according to an unclassified report and accompanying statement by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released Tuesday. ...and that's from Faux News... :-? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Eegore on 07/04/18 at 09:27:13 It will be wrong since the outcome is different than the opinions of those that read it. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/04/18 at 12:03:43 OMG......... She shoulda won irregardless, she was so much stronger, better, as the expert predicted, yes? Can you prove anyone changed their vote from the Queen to the Jester, just one please? Get back to me when you get real punkin :-* in the mean time, not to late to move, as you said you would ;D |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/18 at 12:45:14 They forgot about the antiTrust rally. They forgot to mention that I said I would try to impact the election in support of Trump, were I Putin. Why Wouldn't they prefer Trump? He was acting like he didn't want WAR. She's Frikken crazy. Of COURSE they tried to affect the election But What they also did According to the report Was try to show discord and doubt.. And NOWHERE is there a sign that Trump asked for or knew about it. Unlike Obama Who stood the IC down after Russian involvement was suspected. Stay blind to everything that doesn't support your ideology. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Serowbot on 07/04/18 at 12:51:33 You forget, punkin,... She did win by 3 million votes. ...and, the signs of Trump's involvement with Russia are all over place. Get your head out of the sand. Mueller's investigation already has many indictments and felony charges,... and all the links point in Trump's direction. Trump is the cherry on the top... and it comes last. Just wait History will show him as the illegitimate President |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/04/18 at 13:51:36 She didn’t win, if she had she would be president.... Talk about head in sand [ch129488] |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Serowbot on 07/04/18 at 14:40:54 Alright,.. she lost with 3 million more votes than the winner. Happy, Punkin?... Expert predictions said she had about a 3% lead, and she did. Russians did meddle. Trump was involved. The election was tampered with by foreign enemies. Trump is illegitimate. An outright admission of this by the US government would cause chaos... Riots, and civil war. The truth will come out, once Trump leaves office. History will show this as a very dark time. Russian influence, election tampering, and America's ugly racist underbelly exposed by a race baiting demagogue... But,... this will be the last gasp of the dying Conservative Party... as voters become younger, smarter, and more diverse. All that Trump does will be reversed. He is ultimately a bump in the road of progress. Progress happens... time only goes in one direction. November isn't that far away... I don't see Trump gaining much support. Stocks down, 401k's losing, impending trade war, costs rising from tariffs, racial divides, women's empowerment, youth in revolt, and Trump international credibility is tanked. That's MAGA for you |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/18 at 14:53:49 While the FBI worked to clear Hillary and frame trump. It's not invisible. And it's Bullshit that she won the popular vote. Didn't happen. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/04/18 at 14:59:49 That's better. I've no doubt whatsoever they messed with it, however, if you want to be honest, Trump sounded the alarm first. He wouldn't even agree to accepting the "results" of the election primarily because of this very concern, and Hillary got herself all wet in the debate, trying to make it a talking point, you recall yet? It was brought to Obama's attention, he forcefully responded to them, KNOCK IT OFF......!!!! Ouch :-/ It only became a concern when your gal pal lost...... They tried to down play it the whole time, for like me, you, everyone BUT WEB, thought she would win, AND they didn't want this Russia crap to cause any avenue to challenging her victory. Just like if Tweeter would have won the popular vote, but lost the college, you would be saying HILLARY WON. I would stake everything I own on it, as sure a bet as it gets! Now go drink a beer and get over it, like goes on, waits for no one, even Muppet's :-* |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Serowbot on 07/04/18 at 15:22:20 ... and oh yeah,... the national debt is exploding... Remember when we cared about that?... A couple of trillion to the rich, including Trump, and we'll just tack it on to our national debt. It's all our debt,.. but it's mostly their tax cuts... Rich get richer, poor get poorer... Just like old times... MAGA... Water gets dirtier,... food gets more GMO's... lands get more polluted. Pharma gouging grows, healthcare gets more expensive,... The list goes on and on... The hamburgler is running rip shod... MAGA |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/18 at 15:28:05 healthcare gets more expensive,... That's on You |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Serowbot on 07/04/18 at 15:30:41 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
1.7 trillion on the debt. That's on you... :-X |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/18 at 16:17:03 And everyone is better off. Let's see how it plays out. We've Seen Bamicare. Disaster |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Eegore on 07/04/18 at 22:39:07 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
Are you getting these numbers from a source? Are you using numbers? How can we look into the same data you are using? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/18 at 22:54:13 The information was assembled and collected from different sources. I pay attention to details. Dots connect. Don't you remember the whining by certain people who were unhappy about the Trump jewelry lines selling in California? Yeah, imagine that, her stuff selling Where HE was the enemy. Almost sounds like BULLSHIT. Hillary didn't win the popular vote. Use your BRAIN |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/05/18 at 05:10:00 3523342931242932460 wrote:
Holy Crap Dude?! You're losing it. Strp away from MSNBC and get off Twitter for a while cause you're in a bubble. *I saw no "expert" prediction of a 3% win, I saw predictions of a Hilary slaughter, a landslide victory for the first woman President. Where did you see a 3% victory prediction and by who? *The Russian meddling I've seen actual evidence of was bad internet commericals and rallies attended only by those on either extreme who were only going to cast their vote one way regardless. *If Trump meddled, show how? You lost. Several hundred thousand in 5 key swing states figured Trump as President was a better option than Hilary as President. Part of that group were Dems who viewed Trump as a hero for metaphorically flipping the bird to the media, Hollywood and the entertainment culture. That's it, nothing more to the story. Hilary couldn't overcome the reality than many people just don't like her. Russian influence did not alter the votes in those key states. Trump's unique personality coupled with Hilary's high un-likeable factor gave Trump the win. And now he's picking up more support as time goes on. Your side is likely going to lose again so start prepping for it now. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/05/18 at 05:28:58 Stocks down, 401k's losing, impending trade war, costs rising from tariffs, racial divides, women's empowerment, youth in revolt, and Trump international credibility is tanked. That's MAGA for you No, stocks are not down. They are up substantially since 2016. A 5 year report shows it going from 16.6k to a high of 26.5k. Last report was 24.1k. Virtually all that gain occurred since Jan 2017. Who told you in was down??? No, 401K's are not down either. They've slowed from their huge initial increase. I can easily run reports on my 401k. The difference between Obama's 8 years and Trumps first 1 1/2 is huge. Impending trade war's are threats, nothing more. You think companies (whom on one hand you say would sell their mothers for a buck) are going to pull out of the world's largest consumer market? No, they'll move some production facilities to the US to avoid any tariffs or they'll convince their government's to lower theirs. Racial divide ? don't think so. Black unemployment is at its lowest ever. The left has temporarily lost it's monopoly on black votes. Nothing you say is true. It's only true in the little bubble extremist live in. You deal with the same people day in and day out. Practically every week I'm in a different city dealing with a whole new group of people I've never met before and I can PROMISE you, whatever your little world is telling isn't reality. Trump is holding his own against extraordinary forces galvanized against him. He is leading the Spartans against an overwhelming force. Just like them, he'll lose in the long run. Liberals will have their chance to destroy the US, but you're going to have to wait a while (2024 perhaps) but the fight will be a little harder than you expected. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Eegore on 07/05/18 at 09:18:29 " No, they'll move some production facilities to the US to avoid any tariffs or they'll convince their government's to lower theirs. " So far their respective countries are just placing additions to their own tariffs. Why wasn't that considered an option? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/05/18 at 12:50:43 I'm sure it was considered and I'm sure it was expected. the question is who can weather the storm better? who will blink first? does Germany need Americans buying BMW's more than Germany needs to buy America made Fords? I think we've got a little more flexibility to play hardball than realized or we've ever done before. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/05/18 at 16:45:42 I think old Ross Perot was right waaaaaaay back then when he said, "I'll take the same trade agreement you have." Why isn't it even-steven? Is it because a nation wants to be certain a country with lower labor, won't flood their own local markets, with cheaper stuff? Why do some country think they should be able to export freely, but want restrictions on imports? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/18 at 23:00:51 No tariffs No Subsidies That's what Trump said was the goal. Is it possible? Doubtful But it's a good goal |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Eegore on 07/06/18 at 05:18:44 "Why isn't it even-steven?" Theres volumes of articles and text going back decades showing pros and cons of even trade. There aren't a lot of pros. Do you really want the same volume of iphones coming in as beef going out? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/18 at 05:28:03 Who's goofy enough to want that? Why would anyone even think that? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/06/18 at 06:19:41 It's a Flat Earth. International trade has been going on forever. Read in the Bible how Solomon got the materials to build his great temple. When one economic variable is tinkered with, it ripples across the pond and disrupts other variables. Sometimes those are easily predicted and in fact desired. Raise taxes on tobacco and you lower smoking levels. But you also impact a million other variables you had no idea of. Point is, the impact of tariffs are widespread and not always so easy to predict, good or bad. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Trippah on 07/06/18 at 06:44:11 I wonder how much of the US debt is owned by China and could it be used for leverage? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/06/18 at 06:51:27 That's what Trump has said before. It's the old saying: if you owe the bank $10, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million dollars, that's the bank's problem. The US is still a huge consumer market. Who suffers more: Germany if they can't sell BMW's to the US market or Ford if they can't sell F150's to the German market? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/06/18 at 07:11:00 Never heard that one before, I like it Web....... That extends way past debt too! [ch128523] |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/06/18 at 08:02:27 That's why the whole 'too big to fail' thing happens. Put Walmart out of business for example, and the nation is temporarily screwed. That's why communities continue to make concessions like TIF's etc... I've seen this in places I've worked as a credit manager in the past. A company takes on large customers at low margins because its too tempting to pass up. Then, when a larger and larger % of their revenue is coming from these low margin customers, they can't get rid of them because that money coming in is paying the overhead, but no profit. You get stuck. Can't get rid of them, can't really keep them. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/06/18 at 08:55:23 7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:
Yeah, yeah, I get it, just a cool way of presenting it...... We can use the same reasoning to others issues, like: If a man steals a penny, who cares...... If that man steals my ( car, wife, bank account, sanity ) that is a capital crime, and justice needs to be swift and sure. Not sure how many folk here can see the connection, or understand the implications. ;) Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by WebsterMark on 07/06/18 at 09:29:17 Yea, but the reality is, we all make judgements of what's too small or what's too big to get involved in. All crimes are not equal. All sins are not equal for that matter nor are all people equal nor are all cultures equal. Just because someone judges incorrectly doesn't mean the process of judging is incorrect. |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by Eegore on 07/06/18 at 09:55:18 53756E7777666F070 wrote:
Leverage in what way? |
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Title: Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Post by raydawg on 07/06/18 at 09:56:34 Judge ye first, or be judged as thee judges. |
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